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Soundfile 19900228GRJHNLCIO 1

Speaker Gelek Rimpoche

Location Netherlands

Topic The Carnival is Over

Transcriber Lena Reeves

Date 2023-01-07

Hello everybody. And I have to thank you for the introduction which I did not even understand a word. What I understood is only the carnival is over.

So I do not know what is carnival and how it's over. But I understand that few of the carnivals been around the last couple of days and I do not know if it's over or not yet.

So anyway, the carnival might have been over or might not have been over. I think it depends on the individual. Whether individual's melodrama of individual's life, whether that has been over or not yet. Who knows?

When you look at our (?) and our way of thinking, and our attitude, and our way of dealing to the incidents in life, which is really a carnival.

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It is show, it is dharma, it is truly melodrama, that is what our life is.

Even those of us who claim to be interested in the spirituality and the spiritual path, if you look and observe carefully our life (?).

And who is the actor or actresses? And who is the observer? And who's observing the drama? And I think only nobody except ourself.

It is sad. It is sad and is very sad as well as that's the way how it is.

Why the sad? Because we pass our times practically contributing nothing.

Yet we can do nothing either. Why? Because of lack of understanding, lack of seeing the truth, lack of knowing what happens thereafter. Is this true to each one of us or not?

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Maybe not true to a few of you.

Would you think little bit of yourself?

And when you dream things and when you functioning things, do we exactly know what are we doing?

My observation of the Western world, and particularly people in the spiritual part like us, including myself, doesn't seem to really know what we're doing. Isn't that our first problem? Not knowing what we're doing.

When I liik at meditators, when I look at dharma practitioners, when I look at whatever, you name it, any spirituality, what I see, the biggest problem is a lack of understanding what you're doing.

Lack of understanding, lack of finding spiritual goal, lack of finding a correct method, these are the problems I notice.

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Number one, lack of finding goal. You don't know what your goal is.

When you don't know what your goal is, then, whatever your dream, I don't know where you're putting your, I don't think people have a proper way of putting their energy together in proper channel.

When you can't put your energy together in proper channel, then you can't achieve anything.

What is a spiritual (?)? Let us get to a basic...how do we get...how can we make our melodrama of life to be over? Okay, since this subject called what"s topic carnival, so how one gets one's carnival over in life? Let's start from the basic.

According to the Buddha's teaching, we don't get over.

Why we're not getting over, because we created more and more and continues.

So Buddha suggested, Buddha said, what Buddha called that karma.

Why? Because we create our own thing and we have to experience our own deed.

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We will be totally responsible to our own deed.

And noone can do anything else.

So we created cause of that melodrama of our life.

And then that will continue for show after show.

Because it's the result.

How does these causes created? How? I mean we ourself have been creating all the cause, nobody else does. How do we do it?

Do we know what we are doing? Do we know what we are doing?

We don't. That's why I raised from the beginning, I raised this question, "do we know?" We don't. We probably know what we're doing, but we pay no attention. We're not aware of our actions and we act, most of the time, without thinking. We say it, we act, we functioning mostly without realizing, I should not say we don't think, without realizing what we're doing.

In one way it might have been good, it effortless function.

On the other hand, it invites us lot of trouble.

And why do we do it?

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Same question. Because we are so used to it.

Whatever happens to us, whatever any circumstances we meet, we usually like to call it natural instinct, or natural in creation, but we're so used to it, handling it in such a way, that's why we had effortless actions, one after the other (?).

These effortless functions, automatic functions that we have, we call them habitual patterns.

These habitual patterns that we have in our life, which we always sort of designed to create more complicated.

Why? Why do we do more complicated things all the time?

Because of lack of changing our habitual patterns again.

Why don't we change our habitual patterns?

Because we're not aware of it, number one. Number two, we don't know where to change it.

We're not even sure what is good for us.

We go halfway through and then ask questions.

"Is that good for me?"

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We ask questions to everybody.

Fifty percent of people will tell you "good".

Another fifty percent will tell you "not good".

And then you'll see others not sure.

So you'll go halfway through, and then you don't know how to get back.

And you try to go along, still you try to go along, yet you pull and push within you.

You have pull and push within you, and almost you go halfway through, or a little farther, and you almost have, sometimes have two different personalities almost, like the schizophrenic type of thing.

And this is not going to give you any good result at all.

Effort are wasted, Energy is wasted. So what my suggestion is that from the beginning you look carefully.

It is not necessary you have to follow Buddhism.

It is not necessary you have to follow Hinduism.

It is not necessary you have to follow certain kind of set pattern certain 'ism, or religion, or whatever it is.

But what is absolutely necessary is change your habitual patterns.

Our habitual patterns designed to create our future shape.

Our habitual patterns been built up for the number of lives, and so, I'm Buddhist, I do believe in past, present, and future lives.

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So our habitual patterns are not designed today. It's been designed for a number of lives.

So it is difficult to change. When you try to change that, it is hard. You have to swim against the current.

It is easy to swim with the current. You reach very fast if you still have some fins on your leg. It even makes it easier, better.

But when you have to cut against the current, it is really hard.

But we know where we went through is brought in the same pattern of life. We know where we went through, we're letting go our habitual patterns brought this type of life.

Life, which is not totally problem-free, but not so bad. We are told even worse than that can be happened.

That's true, but we're always looking for better. We are always looking for improvement. Overall we are looking for happiness.

And noone can deny that. Whatever you may be, you are looking for happiness.

You are looking for happiness. You are looking for happiness. If you are not looking for happiness, there's no reason why you have to hang around here.

That's true. That's true. Everyone of us are looking for happiness.

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So we have to find out through where we get happiness, through where we're going to get a problem.

And that's what we have to do. If you do that, it doesn't matter whatever 'ism's you follow. Whatever tradition you follow.

That's why I say it's not absolutely necessary to follow Buddhism. It's not absolutely necessary to follow Hinduism or that's what I say. This is the reason why.

See, our action designs our future. So when you're looking for happiness we should shape our future better.

If you want to shape your future better, you have to be aware of what you're doing.

We cannot act like a half (zombie).

Yeah, this is our problem. We're acting like half zombie...and half robot.

Half robot because we've been programmed by the Western education.

Western education will program the someone to act like a program, like a robot. And half zombiebecause we don't know what we are doing.

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So now you think this half robot half zombie can bring happiness.

Probably not. So what shall we do? So if you are interested in spiritual, I think that's the beginning where you're looking. What shall we do? Deprogram yourself. I don't mean forget your Western education, but deprogram yourself.

And awareness. Act according, pay attention. Just simply pay attention. Watch what you are doing. Watch what you are thinking.

Thinking is even worse than acting. We have limitations in physical act. We don't have much limitations on our mental act.

So our mind is like a very, I don't know what to say, a wild monkey. Attacking some kind of museum type of house.

And looking for every funny little things, wanting to experimental and break it jump across, that's what our mind does.

So watch it. Just watch it. If you begin to watch that mind, and begin to do this, you'll be alright.

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So from the beginning I told you our habitual patterns. Our habitual patterns are without any control. It's completely jumping around.

Unfortunately every act that we do, we leave some kind of imprint on it.

And this imprint is like a i.o.u. note.

This i.o.u. note, if it is written on a piece of paper, and if you sign it, doesn't matter, when you die you can leave it. You're no longer responsible.

But it is not on piece of paper.

It is not on our physical body.

If it's on your forehead, you can leave it and go.

No, it is not there. It is on your mind, on your consciousness.

And you can't leave that.

You cannot. You continue.

None of us ends. You continue.

We continue through this life into future, future into future, like yesterday to today and today into tomorrow and tomorrow into next week.

So our consciousness, my own consciousness, carries the imprint of my own action.

So, therefore, I am responsible to my actions.

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You understand what I mean? Am I talking to you or am I talking to you over your head or something? Am I communicating with you? Thank you. It is important I communicate, you know. I can talk funny things. I can talk over your head, but it doesn't help you. I have to be able to communicate with you. If I communicate with you, it may do some good for you. If I don't communicate with you, what is the use? Right? So that's why I want to make sure I'm communicating with you. So that's why I mean it, I'm asking questions.

The whole spiritual business, whole spiritual business has become necessary for human beings. Why? Just not because we're dissatisfyed with material life.

Because we have to deal with our own actions. We will be responsible our own action. That is my opinion That is the reason why the spiritual reality's become necessary for the human beings.

Some people might not have that reason. Some people, just because they feel like doing, they feel like there's something more than that.

That is our natural instinct.

Telling us there is something more than this.

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So when you investigate that thought, why this thoughts are begin, why these thoughts come in; when you try to investigate beyond this, what you're going to find is you are responsible for your actions.

Some people will tell you that you are helpless, you are hopeless, you can do nothing. you have screwed up your life, you're finished.

I don't buy that at all. I don't buy that at all because you are, you can help yourself, you, yourself is your own hope.

Because you are responsible to your actions.

And we're also in changing natural.

We are not a permanent fixture. We're not a furniture where the carpenters make it and shape it and put it over there.

We're all human beings. We can think. We can act. We can function. We can change.

Because we are impermanent, everything is possible to happen within us.

Can you see this? Can you see that? No? You do? You don't? You do.

Good. If you can see that, it's good. Remember we'are impermanent. We're changeable. We can change.

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So since we're changeable we have room for do and undo.

So that's why our spiritual reality has become important for our future.

The spirituality also, there may be miracles happening. Who knows? Who knows? Maybe. But the most reliable thing is our own action again.

I'll be the last person to deny the miracles. Mark my word.

But we can rely on our action. We cannot rely on miracles. Miracle might not have happened. You know? We cannot rely on that.

So our action shapes our future.

I repeat what I'm saying, repeating it again and again because it's important.

It's not that I'm not aware of what I'm repeating, okay?

Okay, so you observe yourself. I mean the first and formost thing's you have to observe yourself. When you observe yourself, you will see it, your actions are good or bad.

If it's good ones, be happy about it. Don't worry, okay?

If it's not good ones, you're to change it.

And that is your practice.

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Some people call practice means think practice means you have to sit down with crossed leg.

Have certain type of mudra usually (?).

And then consider they all say mantras.

It's considered as practice.

Not changing of habitual patterns as practice.

People overlook changing of habitual patterns, changing of addictions.

Which means you are overlooking the actual practice over act. Dharma act.

Why people say mantra? Why people meditate?

People meditate, not just because you want relaxation. That might be reason. I don't get.

But to watch your mind. Why you need to watch your mind? Your mind will not act funny things.

Why people say mantras? To gain support to control the mind, to build a better mind.

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So deeper practice really is changing the behavior.

And meditation and saying mantras have become the instrument to what should bring the change.

So but now what people do? People overlook...(missing audio)...sitting crossleg is more important than actually awareness to everyday life. So this is overlooking the actual practice.

What did Buddha do? How did he become a Buddha? Buddha did not become a Buddha just by sitting crossleg.

Buddha did not need to be Buddha and drop from the sky down.

Nor did Buddha born as Buddha.

Buddha was born as Prince Sidhartha.

And he changed his anger into love, hatred to love, jealousy to kindness, attachment to love.

That's how Buddha changed his habitual patterns.

That's how he had become Buddha.

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If you look into the life of the Buddha it says (Tibetan or Sanskrit).

You are the only person who knows how to overcome, or how to obtain the victory for fighting over evils without carrying the weapons.

Buddha had tremendous battle to fight with evil force.

Each one of these battles, he did not carry guns or arrows. Even that and guns never even produced. But arrows

So his weapon is love and compassion.

So that is only he knows how to fight.

So our habitual pattern, if somebody attack us or say something, our habitual patterns will tell us to fight back.

Get angry with that person. Hit that guy. So these are our habitual patterns. Can we do that?

If our habitual patterns are telling you, if someone's doing something a little better than what we do, get jealous about it.

If somebody's doing something good in your neighborhood and somebody comes and tells you, "hey, So-and-so's doing wonderful work wasn't it?", what do we say?

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Observe our mind.

And we cannot say she is not doing good work. Right? Well then they're not going to buy it. So we say "yes, she's doing wonderful work."

And if you put (?) up there, it'll be good. But we will not put (?) up there. We'll say "...but!". Right? We have to give ourself a opportunity to express our jealousy by using the word 'but'.

And if you'll observe our own mind at that time, truly, not influenced by the jealousy, but truly if you observe, what do we have in our mind?

Some people will totally blind and shut your door completely, say "this is total cheat or lie." Some people will have total shut your mind, they don't want to be open, they shut completely, they say "oh, that is act of cheating, not nice" Did you get me? When you're saying 'but' to somebody, if you observe our mind, some people will have mind which completely shut, you don't want to even think whether it's good or bad, you'll be taking granted it is total work of bad, cheat.

Some people little better than that will have a little doubt. "Maybe she's doing something good, but I'm sure there's some motive behind that."

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Many of us will say, "Oh well, it may be good, but why should she be doing it? I should have been person who is praised."

So we have disliking because "I'm not the one who's doing the good one." Somebody else doing it. So we use the word 'but'.

Why we're doing that? To picture myself better, to put a little mud on that good work that other people's doing.

Why we want ot picture ourself better, myself better? That is our ego boosting work.

Why we want to put mud on other's good work? That's because of jealousy.

So here ego boosting and jealousy work side by side together.

So without making any proper judgement, without making any proper calculation thought, we automatically, our habitual patterns will say, "If not me, there should a "but".

Does this example help you a little bit to see our own mental melodrama? Is it helping?

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Is it making you little clear to see?

I don't know how many of you are acting, everybody's sitting there like that. I hope everyone is not permanent.

So that's why I told from the beginning, changing of the habitual pattern is real spiritual progress.

Evens are not absolutely necessary.

So and it is important to notice that, to observe this.

And change it. Not only change it, change it now.

You have to observe now. You have to act now.

Because tomorrow never comes.

Each one of us have plans to do something good. When we finish this, this, this, this, that.

And this and that never finishes.

And on top of that, this and that will start again.

And so it is so important, if you want to do something, do now.

Pass yourself a resolution to help yourself now.

And start observing now.

And changing it now. Remember tomorrow never comes.

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Any patients be listening to the total rubish that I have been telling you.

And out of those rubish messages or information that I throw to you, if you have any questions or something like that, I'll be more than happy to discuss. All without any sidefrom, that not necessarily has to be anything out of that rubish talk.

Why do I call it rubish? Alright I'll call it jewel than.

Doesn't matter.

What does matter is does it make sense? Is it correspond with my behavior? Is it correspond? Is it something that goes well with the way of my thinking, with my functioning? That's what it matters. Whether you call it rubish, or dharma, or spiritual, or jewel, or whatever you call it, it is only label.

I never said it would be easy.

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You asked a question why I call rubish. I guess I owe you answer. This is my habitual pattern. I always have to say something, whatever I did or say sometimes, I say something bad. Whatever talk I say all the rubish, something like that in my habit. I try not to blow my own trumpet. So I try to call it rubish. I try to call it wasting your time. For whatever I can find something.

But information what I'm giving to you, it is based on Buddha's teaching.

And little bit of personal thinking.

And contributions of the great Tibetan masters.

And not in orthodox way, but sort of on the ground plain, simple way. Maybe too simple, I don't know.

But what I notice to myself is when yiou are learning, first you don't understand. Second time, little later, when you begin to understand something, when you understand half and when you don't understand half, you have to be very sort of (?), complicated, and confusing business.

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And then later when you understand simple things, then things begin to make sense.

The jigsaw puzzle is starting to get it together.

So trying to be simple is very important, I notice that.

Beside that, when you look at teachings of the Buddha, it is always very simple. Rather too simple.

And simple that one communicates to heart to heart.

That is Buddha's way.

Buddha could have made it very complicated things, you know, through the different languages, and this and that and all look very impressive and so on over head of the people, very easily. But I don't believe it serve any purposes, so he didn't do that.

So that's what we try to copy.

And not really copy, we use as a model.

To copy something and to make a model is two different things to me. Maybe the same, I don't know. Because I never learned English, I don't know. But to me it's two different things.

Anyway, so any other questions?

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Rimpoche: Yes Lily?

audience: How do you have to define yourself if you do successful things? If you are the one who's got success? (?)

Rimpoche: You have put a very important question, Lily. You know, the question what you raised is, what I hear behind this question, I hear what is good and what is bad? Is this your real intention?

audience: Success is meaning something"s good?

Rimpoche: What you mean by success?

audience: Success in studies for instance?

Rimpoche: Success what?

audience: In studies.

Rimpoche: In studies. What'd your word? You use word 'study'. What does that mean? And I mean more information?

audience: Yes. I that's something people could be jealous about.

Rimpoche: Well yeah. people could be jealous about anything. That doesn't mean anything. Can be jealous, anybody can be jealous of anything. Even your toilet. Doesn't mean anything. Because our habitual pattern is the jealousy is there all the time. Doesn't matter. Doesn't mean anything. I mean doesn't I don't mean that you ignore it, but really doesn't matter much (?). But when you say study, I have a little problem with that. Little bit of problem with that. The word 'study' to me is becomes little academic. Am I bypassing you? I'm sorry.

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Rimpoche: Sound a little too academic to me. But on the other hand, I'm not against getting information. Though we have too many informations. Not so much in spiritual but I don't know where for you know. The West is bombarded with informaitons. You know that, don't you?

audience: My question is more how do you have to act with people or to handle people who are jealous?

Rimpoche: I'll come to that okay, let me just finish. You're bombarded with information. But I do not know whether you have the right kind of information or not. Who knows? But I'm not against getting information. Because if you do not have information you cannot act. But you don't know where to act or to do. That's what I try to bring the question but do we know what's good or what's bad. Because you don't know what is it really? Because lack of proper information. (?).

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Rimpoche: Bombarded with information. But (?) me, I do not know whether you have the right information or not.

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Rimpoche: But the question what you really raising is, suppose people are jealous, what do you do? I don't know what to do. Give them a good kick.

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Rimpoche: Or, or...I'm just kidding, maybe that won't work. What do we do if people jealous? Some people like to go and explain it. But that might not work. That create more problem.

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Rimpoche: You know some people really like to go out and tell, "Look, it is your misunderstanding, I'm not doing this and that, I'm not (?) you, I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that, this, that, that tell them to tell you that." But sometime it doesn't work. It create more problem. So what do we do?

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Rimpoche: One, we have to take care of our own mind. Their jealousy should not cause another jealousy here. That jealousy should not let it cause another anger or hatred here. So me, first take care I do not create another anger, jealousy, or hate here. Second, how I'm going to solve that problem. You may or may not be able to solve at all. Doesn't matter, later time will heal. But most important thing is not to create it here, another hate. Did you get me? Yeah, I think, because you know what happens if people jealous, you know, if A jealous of B, and B try to eat a pacifier or something, and A doesn't listen, or doesn't get it, B picks up another hatred, another anger, or sin so that one builds other one. It's so almost like a ping pong, goes round. But what you can do, you take care of from this point. Let that not happen from here. Even the people other side may keep on misunderstanding for a little while. Doesn't matter. If you can't solve the misunderstanding for a little while, doesn't matter. But what does matter is let from this side create another anger.

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Rimpoche: Let it be. Beginning of changing our habitual pattern. Let it be beginning of changing of our habitual pattern. The habitual patterns are our normal delusion addictions we tell and the other side, people reacting slightly different, we are automatically built up to react other way down, build anger, jealousy, whatever it is. Let's start changing our habitual pattern from there.

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Rimpoche: It would not have been bad place to start changing our habitual pattern. Let's start here.

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Rimpoche: Even people do not understand your action for a little while, after little while even the other side will understand and they appreciate your action.

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Rimpoche: This is how the good action brings good results.

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Rimpoche: This is how the negative and positives bring each other. That really how it works. Not the positive brings positive. Positive ping pong and negative ping pong play together.

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Rimpoche: So if you have little negative thing here, even you're doing something good act, it brings response of negative response because your intention, your (?) heart is not clear. Clear of the positive point, argh negative points.

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Rimpoche: So normally our problems that we face, what part of them are real manifestations of our own projections and reactions of our own characteristic?

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Rimpoche: When you started clearing from here, then all reactions begin to improve.

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Rimpoche: Okay? 'kay And this changing, I thing happen as I been telling you earlier, you should act now.

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Rimpoche: The reason why we say now is not only because tomorrow is not uncertain, but also the opportunities and capabilities what we have today is difficult to get.

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Rimpoche: This spiritual informations are very rare and very important. Take an example of the Tibetan Buddhist spiritual path and information. It's sort of not really grown in Tibet. The Tibetans took a tremendous amount of difficult hardship, tremendous amount of efforts, to get it from India.

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Rimpoche: And with great hardship, it somehow by chance, it has been able to offer and bring it over to Tibet. And not only it had been able to bring it over to Tibet, the pure quality of it be able to preserve in Tibet over hundreds of years.

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Rimpoche: And not only that of the Tibetan Buddhism, but also that of Zen, also that of Theravadans, Hinduism, or whatever, Muslims, Kabbalahs, and you name it. And any philosophy, whatever it is, every single thing is now valuable in the West.

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Rimpoche: Judeo-Christian, whatever, you know, everything is valuable today in the West. So it is a great opportunity.

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Rimpoche: And, for ourselves is concerned, we're also capable. Any progress that you may have pick up, we're capable of handling it.

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Rimpoche: And such an opportunity is not really easy, and had it been in our history before?

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Rimpoche: No. I mean today is a something very, very, different period, different time. Very, very different thing. So I made this opportunity to take it.

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Rimpoche: If you fail it today, then you never know when you can do it. And beside that, remember we're not permanent.

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Rimpoche: And while we need something spiritual, and when we have everything, I think we've got to take it now.

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Rimpoche: Any other questions? Probably no. If no questions, I think good for me. And, so I have to become a salesperson now. I'll be salesman. Yeah. Would you say that for me?

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Rimpoche: Okay so I'm a salesman today, and what I'm going to sell my products is pre-programmed computer chip.

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Rimpoche: That is a certain meditation.

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Rimpoche: Tibetan Buddhism.

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Rimpoche: And information on Tibet.

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Rimpoche: Something like that pre-programmed computer chip.

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Rimpoche: So if you like to buy that pre-programmed Tibetan whatever it is, computer chip, it is buyable on sale at Jewel Heart.

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Rimpoche: I'm just joking. But, Jewel Heart here offers certain meditation, and some information on Tibetan Buddhism, and things like that. And that's really what I mean.

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Rimpoche: And we do have a sort of, what we call it, study group, and group together to meditate, group together to try to learn and pick up the spiritual path, hopefully right one, and try to gain some meaning and purpose in this prescious human life.

1:33:11.6 [translation]

1:33:43.5 [end translation]

Rimpoche: Okay now, one reason I have to still tell you this, why this is different, I'm not do mean is different than anything else, but...