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Soundfile 19920119GRJHNLCM 2

Speaker Gelek Rimpoche

Location The Netherlands

Topic Controlling Mind

Transcriber Lay Tin Ng Elsie

Date

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Rimpoche: And sitting too long,

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Rimpoche: Sometimes it almost become inseparable than that of vegetable.

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Rimpoche: And with pure status, with sort of clean, clear pure status.

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Rimpoche: However, all your beard, all your hair grows long,

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Rimpoche: And reach on the ground,

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Rimpoche: And then some rats come up,

Translator: Huh?

Rimpoche: Mice.

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Rimpoche: And started chewing your hair,

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Rimpoche: And started pulling,

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Rimpoche: And you get upset.

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Rimpoche: And all the efforts that you put it in is gone.

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Rimpoche: So that is what happened.

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Rimpoche: So, for which, I would like to call, fall back.

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Rimpoche: So, the difference between the Buddha’s way and the Buddha emphasizes to sitting, meditating, all of them, but also Buddha has a limit.

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Rimpoche: Buddha does not emphasize so strong for us to continue and build up like a different the, the, dhyana. Dhyana.

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Rimpoche: Dhyana.

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Rimpoche: Dhyana, I think.

Translator: Dhyana, dhyana.

Rimpoche: There are four stage of good form, good form, four stages,

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Rimpoche: And four formless,

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Rimpoche: And at the end of that, we called it top of samsara, peak of samsara.

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Rimpoche: Okay. So, even after that, you can fall back.

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Rimpoche: So, then the Buddha says, the problem is, because we don’t look after the delusion, not look after, we don’t take care of the delusion.

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Rimpoche: From the root of delusion.

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Rimpoche: So, when you have those sitting, sitting, sitting and temporarily you blocking all sorts of different thoughts.

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Rimpoche: And after some time, all the direct delusion will all stop.

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Rimpoche: However, you haven’t touched the root,

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Rimpoche: So, when the mice come pull your hair, you wake up.

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Rimpoche: So, for that, one of the earlier Indian, actually it is an anti-Buddhist scholar who later become a Buddhist saint and scholar called Chandragomin.

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Rimpoche: And Chandragomin wrote a praise to Buddha.

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Rimpoche: And he has mentioned, big details in that.

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Rimpoche: In India, and earlier that period, when they had this outstanding teacher like Chandragomin, anti-Buddhist when they come to a Buddhist community and they demand debate.

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Rimpoche: And when they do in old Indian system, when they have those debates, you know. And debate is not that easy is not like presidential debate we see on television.

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Rimpoche: And so, they, so they have, they have not only a big debate, but whoever loses, they have to surrender totally and if the anti-Buddhist teacher loses, lose the debate, he and his followers will totally surrender, shave their head and become a Buddhist monk.

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Rimpoche: And if the Buddhist teacher lost and they have to grow their beard and follow them, and the, the, the whole monastery has to follow, that is the, that is what they have at stake, stake right.

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Rimpoche: So, Chandragomin came and knocking at the big door of Nalanda.

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Rimpoche: And at that time, the Buddhist teachers are over there was very afraid of debating with Chandrogomin.

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Rimpoche: Very scared. Not only that, during the debate they bring their king, the ruler and elders of the village as a witness too, elders of the town.

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Rimpoche: That is the old Indian system.

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Rimpoche: So, those Buddhist monks at the big Nalanda, was absolutely scared of debating with Chandragomin, because he is a, he is not only a great and he is sharp, wisdom, and he also has some kind of siddhi, you know what siddhi is, because, you know?

Translator: Think I don’t have to translate that. (Translator continues in Dutch.)

Rimpoche: So, the Buddhists at the big Nalanda university type of thing are so scared. And so, they, they said yes, we will debate, he is not only to go away with debate. So, they could not debate him, what he did is, he locked the door of the, the, the outer boundary of the uni, the Nalanda, completely locked.

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Rimpoche: And, that night, and he keep the key. (Rimpoche laughs.) Not me, I didn’t keep the key.

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Rimpoche: And then the monks, Buddhist monks doesn’t know what to do. So, they are praying, they making prayer to one of their protectors called Mahakala.

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Rimpoche: So, at that time, one of the outstanding Buddhist teachers, Nagarjuna and his disciple Chandrakirti. Ya, Chandrakirti. They have left monastery because they are no longer, they have left the robe, and they have been acting lay person, and outside in south somewhere, and meditating, and they have nice Buddhist name they called it (Rimpoche speaks in Tibetan), which means they gone through behavior, meaning they behave differently.

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Rimpoche: So, when they are praying to this Mahakala. One day, Nagarjuna said, I have to go.

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Rimpoche: And Chandrakirti asked, where you are going.

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Rimpoche: And he said, I am going back to the monastery.

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Rimpoche: He said, why?

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Rimpoche: And then, he looked, and there is a crow coming, one crow came and picked a message from the offering from the monastery, and the crow started flying. And he said, look at that crow, and the crow got a little message on the mouth. Those Hindu Buddhist myths, you know, 2,000 years old story here.

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Rimpoche: So, Chandrakirti said, no, no, you don’t go, I go.

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Rimpoche: Nagarjuna said no, I have to go, it is difficult for you.

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Rimpoche: So, finally, Nagarjuna said, alright, if you going, so we have to do rehearsal, how you going to debate.

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Rimpoche: So, then Nagarjuna replying, Chandrakirit asking questions and started debate.

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Rimpoche: Nagarjuna sort of going on and saying anti-Buddhist theory, anti-Buddhist theory, and keep on debating with Chandrakirti.

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Rimpoche: And suddenly, I think, suddenly Chandrakirti thought, what’s wrong with my teacher. What happened to him?

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Rimpoche: Because he was so good as anti-Buddhist view.

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Rimpoche: So, at that time, Nagarjuna said stop.

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Rimpoche: And he said, now, now probably you can go, you can defeat the person, but you will have a lot of obstacles but you will find some help on the way too.

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Rimpoche: Then Chandrakirti left.

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Rimpoche: On the way, he found one beggar.

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Rimpoche: He said, please give me your eye, right eye. Right eye.

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Rimpoche: And Chandrakirti, a Bodhisattva committed, he said ya, you have it, and took out.

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Rimpoche: So, this fellow said it will be very useful for me.

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Rimpoche: So, he gave it away.

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Rimpoche: And that is generosity,

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Rimpoche: Really generosity, you know. And with one eye, he looked back after giving, he was happy, one look back, he found the beggar is bringing the eye and smashing between two stones.

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Rimpoche: Then, Chandrakirti feeling very sad and terrified.

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Rimpoche: And then Tara appeared to Chandrakirti at that time.

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Rimpoche: And told him (Rimpoche speaks in Tibetan.) He said even this Indra and Brahmans they may have thousand eyes on their body, they will never see the true reality of the existence. And you, the Aryadeva, oh sorry, I am sorry this is Aryadeva, I am getting mix up, Aryadeva, even with one eye, you will see the, you will see the, you will see the true reality of existence.

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Rimpoche: Then she told him to take with you one cat,

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Rimpoche: One bottle of oil,

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Rimpoche: One young man who can, who can walk naked.

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Rimpoche: And, some dirty stuff, like real dirty, like different ‘dyed’ sheets, and all sort of funny things, you know.

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Rimpoche: So, with all these, they went, he went to the monastery.

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Rimpoche: So, every morning, this Chandragomin is making the monks go out, and he all put them in one little hall, one big hall, and make they sit there whole day, and when they go out, he will take a little stick and count the head, 1, 2, 3, like that, out. And when they come back, he will count them once again, says 1, 2, 3, like that.

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Rimpoche: So, that morning, he got one extra head. He said, where does this extra head which was not here before come from?

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Rimpoche: He replied from the neck. (Rimpoche laughs.)

Audience: (Laughing)

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Rimpoche: So, he knows this is the guy who debate him.

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Rimpoche: So, anyway, they have a debate.

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Rimpoche: During the debate, the siddhi, what the Chandragomi has, when he loses all his power, he got some black slate, you know, slate where you write letters, you know, slate, on black slate which letters appear like we do in computer.

Translator: I am sorry, I didn’t get it.

Rimpoche: The letters, the answers and the questions will appear in the black slate automatically, it come up.

Translator: Because of his siddhi?

Rimpoche: Ya. Like we do in computer, you know, we press a button and it comes out of computer, just like that.

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Rimpoche: So, the bottle of oil falls on that.

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Rimpoche: And knock on the ceiling.

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Rimpoche: And there is a parrot comes in, a parrot, a bird parrot, come in and talk to Chandragomin.

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Rimpoche: So, this cat goes ‘grrr’. (Rimpoche laughs.)

Audience: (Laughing)

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Rimpoche: That doesn’t work.

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Rimpoche: Then, the commitment is one of the female spirits will appear and talk to him.

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Rimpoche: So, there is a young man who (Rimpoche and everyone laughing.)

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Rimpoche: So, she is feeling uneasy.

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Rimpoche: So, the next step is, then is, (Rimpoche speaks in Tibetan.) what is, Ishvara I think, it appears, comes in person and enters him.

Translator: Who?

Rimpoche: Ishvara, one of this big powerful spirit called Ishvara.

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Rimpoche: And then, they have those dirty things on the top, so they can’t enter into the person.

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Rimpoche: So, finally, Chandragomin lost the debate.

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Rimpoche: And what did he, he flew into the air.

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Rimpoche: And then this other fellow chased him.

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Rimpoche: And finally got hold of him,

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Rimpoche: And brought down and put in jail. There is no jail, so there is an old library where there is incomplete text is there and he put him there.

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Rimpoche: So, finally, he decided to reading Buddhist texts here and there.

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Rimpoche: And finally, he pulled one under his, under his bottom and he pulled out one page and started reading and happened to be Buddha prophesizing about Chandragomin himself.

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Rimpoche: So, he was very much moved.

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Rimpoche: He said Buddha definitely knew about this. And he had given the prophesizes, this stupid follower can’t even read their own prophesy.

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Rimpoche: And he started thinking about it, meditating,

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Rimpoche: And since he is a great scholar himself and learned and quite highly developed person by himself,

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Rimpoche: And he becomes great, he is one of the greatest teachers today, I mean, saint and scholar available today, I mean of his works today.

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Rimpoche: So, in that, he has mentioned difference, the key technique, either you go on sitting and sitting and sitting, and going to go the dhyana and the formless and all these, or you choose to deal with the delusion.

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Rimpoche: The story what I told you and grow long hair, and biting by rats all these, Chandragomin story, not story, but the analogy, or analogy, something like that.

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Rimpoche: So, the block between source and individual is nothing but the karmic and delusion. Out of those, the karmic is not the main delusion definitely.

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Rimpoche: So, not only the block and the obstacle and all the difficulties and disturbances, all of them are come from the delusion and particularly that of ignorance.

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Rimpoche: So, if you want to work with this problem, you have to work with the delusion and particularly, ignorance.

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Rimpoche: Ignorance is the source of all other delusions too.

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Rimpoche: Anger came from ignorance.

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Rimpoche: Attachment came from ignorance.

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Rimpoche: Jealousy came from ignorance.

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Rimpoche: Each one of those delusion, you name it, it came from ignorance.

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Rimpoche: Ignorance which will sort of boost your own ego,

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Rimpoche: And it boosts so much so that you almost think you are the creator of the world.

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Rimpoche: If you let the ignorance go, and with no control, they will definitely think you are the creator of the world.

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Rimpoche: So, if you let, let ignorance go, they will get you anything.

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Rimpoche: They will think you know everything.

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Rimpoche: They will think you know your past.

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Rimpoche: They will think you will know your future.

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Rimpoche: You are always right.

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Rimpoche: Everybody else is wrong.

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Rimpoche: I am the only one who does right.

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Rimpoche: So, that is the ego.

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Rimpoche: And that is the ignorance.

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Rimpoche: And then I become very powerful.

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Rimpoche: And important.

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Rimpoche: And then from I, what did you get? My.

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Rimpoche: My dear.

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Rimpoche: My wish.

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Rimpoche: My friend.

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Rimpoche: My enemy, all these will come.

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Rimpoche: From my dear, you grow your attachment.

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Rimpoche: It is true. From my enemy, I develop my anger.

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Rimpoche: So, then you started working according to the instruction given by the ego mixture, ignorance whatever that is, started giving instruction from inside and so then you started acting on it.

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Rimpoche: Don’t you hear something, somebody talking to you, inside your head?

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Rimpoche: If you wanted to know, that’s your ego talking.

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Rimpoche: The message what you getting is ignorance message.

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Rimpoche: So, don’t follow it.

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Rimpoche: Check carefully before you do anything with that.

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Rimpoche: So that will take act, then you do all sort of difference and you get all the delusions work out with that.

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Rimpoche: The deviation of like, dislike,

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Rimpoche: Hate,

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Rimpoche: Lust,

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Rimpoche: All of them are because of this ignorance inside.

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Rimpoche: So, any problem with that?

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Rimpoche: What kind of problem? I mean, I don’t mean the problem. Huh? What did you say?

Audience: It is very clear.

Rimpoche: Clear. Thank you. I am not sure whether clear to myself or not. (Audience, laughing.) But it is clear to you. It is true. Then you have to look in, oh, I better not go in that. I am sorry. Alright. Then, the, so we recognize the source of problem, we recognize the source of disturbance.

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Rimpoche: Particularly, in the West, you have those tremendous emotional problems.

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Rimpoche: And I don’t mean the Eastern doesn’t have that. But they do. But some of them, they like to, they know how to cover it up. And in the West, they don’t cover up, it come up in the open.

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Rimpoche: And, these problems are truly speaking, it is the after effect of those delusions.

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Rimpoche: I give you the example the other day, where it is, the glass of water and all this. Remember that. I give you the example, I am not going to repeat.

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Rimpoche: And that shows you, that shows you, it is the effect of delusion.

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Rimpoche: So, if you going to work with delusion,

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Rimpoche: Of course, there is each one of those delusions have antidote.

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Rimpoche: However, it is recommended to work with the, however, it is recommended to work with the, work at the root.

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Rimpoche: The ignorance.

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Rimpoche: The ignorance of the wrong perceiving.

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Rimpoche: So, it is the perceiving of the big boss, inside.

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Rimpoche: It is a matter for us to search it, right now, where it is.

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Rimpoche: Where is that big boss inside?

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Rimpoche: So, that you have to look carefully.

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Rimpoche: Who is it?

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Rimpoche: Where is it?

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Rimpoche: Is it part of the body?

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Rimpoche: Or is it part of mind?

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Rimpoche: Or is it mind itself?

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Rimpoche: These are the ways to look in.

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Rimpoche: So, it is not part of the body,

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Rimpoche: Right, is not part of the body. If it is a part of the body, it is part of the head, or heart, it is up here or down here, you keep on thinking. And so, you cannot really finger pinpoint it, inside the body, saying hey, this is the big boss.

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Rimpoche: So, as well as the mind itself. You looking at the mind, whether it is the principal mind or the secondary mind?

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Rimpoche: Secondary mind, I think I mentioned the other day, is like mental faculties or something.

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Rimpoche: So, you are going to find all this secondary mind or mental faculties are not that big boss.

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Rimpoche: Right, the anger is not.

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Rimpoche: The attachment is not.

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Rimpoche: The jealousy is not.

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Rimpoche: You keep on picking up each and every different mind that come up, it is not going to be there.

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Rimpoche: You may think the principal mind is the one.

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Rimpoche: It is not. Principal, principal being itself is a beautiful nature.

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Rimpoche: If that is ignorance, we are in trouble. We are really in trouble there.

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Rimpoche: So, definitely it is not.

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Rimpoche: So, then you begin to look, then what happen, where it is?

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Rimpoche: So, that is how you look in. I give you just, a glimpse how you look in. You know. I can’t give you totally, but that’s how you looking.

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Rimpoche: So, ultimately, you are not going to find it.

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Rimpoche: Now, should I drop it here, or should pick up one more fault, let me pick up one more fault, it could be dangerous.

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Rimpoche: So, then, you may think it is not there.

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Rimpoche: That also not true, it is there.

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Rimpoche: Because we have been used as a slave by it.

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Rimpoche: For a number of lives.

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Rimpoche: So, is there.

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Rimpoche: So, where is it then?

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Rimpoche: Where do you find it?

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Rimpoche: Does anybody has answer?

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Rimpoche: Do you have an answer?

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Rimpoche: Ya, me. Here you go. Who is the me? Who is the me?

Audience: In the first place, I can say, this is the one sitting here.

Rimpoche: Sitting where? The black dress or the orange sweater?

Audience: A combination of these.

Rimpoche: Between sweater and the black dress?

Audience: Between the mind, the body and the place, I am sitting here.

Rimpoche: That is a very good point. There is a me. Where is that me? See. When you search for that, the point really is, suppose in the present of this, somebody walks in, and says hey, you T. Then, you say, what T? Me?

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Rimpoche: Like here, people say, you, me. That little point where you see little me in there or big me in there, you know, actually it is big. It is a me. So, it is a big me. So, you have to search that. If you search that, if you could find it, you find the big boss.

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Rimpoche: So, you trace it. Where is it? And the Marianne giving me an answer, a combination, whether she has heard, read or whatever it is, it is a pre-fixed answer she has giving. Right? Pre-fixed answer. It is not a, spontaneous answer. She is not giving. She thought about it, she has sort of pre-fixed answer you are giving. I am sorry. You right or wrong? Is it have you read?

Audience: I said that in the first minute, I could say, that is that.

Rimpoche: What do you mean that is that?

Audience: It is a combination.

Rimpoche: Ya, it is combination. Where did get the idea of combination? Tell me that. Where did that come from?

Audience: This combination of mine.

Rimpoche: Where did you get that combination?

Audience: That is my idea about it.

Rimpoche: How did you get that idea?

Audience: Because I saw it cannot be something else.

Rimpoche: Why not?

Audience: Because I am accustomed to it.

Rimpoche: You have heard, you have read,

Audience: Raise like that, I am saying I affirm like that, it is to be the one whom I know.

Rimpoche: Combination. The idea of combination is not automatically grown with individual. Right? It is came up by studying. That’s why I say pre-fabricated answer.

Audience: Just like the notion of been through studying the dharma, besides the idea not finding a solid self, but rather glamourization or combination was the word, glamourization of this tendency in many directions. But I think you feel that, you just don’t have to talk about it. Because these words are vocabulary self, me, solid soul.

Rimpoche: So, coming back to the point. So, actually, when you trace that me again, you have to put a combination. Combination. The combination of body, mind and the label. Take Marianne. Marianne. Who are you? I am Marianne. Didn’t you say that. Where does Marianne come from? I am sorry.

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Rimpoche: Now if one of them missing, Marianne will not be there.

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Rimpoche: Right? If the body is not there, we cannot pinpoint it.

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Rimpoche: If mind is not there, we call something else.

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Rimpoche: And if the label is not there, then, then, we don’t know who she is.

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Rimpoche: So, today when you look at her, is Marianne. There is a big Marianne comes up.

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Rimpoche: So, we perceive there is a big Marianne there.

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Rimpoche: It is interesting sometimes if you look in the president of United States. Look at George Bush.

Audience: (Laughing)

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Rimpoche: When you look at George Bush, when you see him on television. Or see his picture or whenever you see him. You look at him, oh, president of the United States. You label them, right?

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Rimpoche: Okay. Now, the idea. It is true, it is not mistake. It is true. He is the president of the United States. Like or not, he is. Unfortunately, he is. Unfortunately, he is.

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Rimpoche: So, the mind of perceiving him as president is not mistake.

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Rimpoche: However, we are seeing president on him as he is as a president, is wrong.

Translator: I am sorry.

Rimpoche: Mind perceiving him as president is not mistake, however, a solid president from him, with him is a mistake.

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Rimpoche: He is president. It depends on the base,

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Rimpoche: The label,

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Rimpoche: And the correct person who are labelling on him.

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Rimpoche: Get it? Right?

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Rimpoche: If he is not candidate, proper candidate,

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Rimpoche: No matter how much we label him he will not become a president.

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Rimpoche: Like you may call your son, president.

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Rimpoche: So, his name is president so people call him president or prince or something.

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Rimpoche: But he is not really become president.

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Rimpoche: Though you label him.

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Rimpoche: People acknowledge him.

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Rimpoche: However, he is not a president.

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Rimpoche: Because he is not a correct base.

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Rimpoche: That’s why you cannot call the bronze, gold, and golden ??? brass.

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Rimpoche: So, but, if, so then, therefore, you need a correct base.

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Rimpoche: Then, you also need correct label. Right?

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Rimpoche: If you label George Bush as vice president,

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Rimpoche: So, that label is wrong.

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Rimpoche: So, because other correct mind will say, hey you are wrong.

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Rimpoche: So, it has to be a correct label.

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Rimpoche: Did you get it?

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Rimpoche: And also label by correct person.

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Rimpoche: Unless he wins election, he is not going to be president though republic may call him president.

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Rimpoche: Right? It’s a combination. So, the president of the United States, is the combination of it, correct base, correct label, correct label by the correct person.

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Rimpoche: If you don’t need labelling, and if the Bush has a presidential from his nature, then when the Bush was born, his parents should have said president is born.

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Rimpoche: So, nobody say president was born, right, when the Bush was born.

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Rimpoche: So, the president needs all these combinations.

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Rimpoche: The existence of the president is just a combination of it.

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Rimpoche: So, existence of Marianne, is the label, the body and the mind.

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Rimpoche: Yet, you cannot say Marianne is not there, she is there, she is looking at me. Smiling.

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Rimpoche: See the difference now?

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Rimpoche: So, that is what is meant empty.

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Rimpoche: Very rough idea. I mean, absolutely gross, rough idea. But it is.

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Rimpoche: So, if you look through that direction, through that manner, with that idea, starting to looking through deeply, carefully,

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Rimpoche: You know what is happening to your delusion?

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Rimpoche: Cut it.

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Rimpoche: (Rimpoche speaks in Tibetan.) Dharmakirti had said, even if you have doubt little bit in that, you make the samsara cut into the pieces, I mean, you are cutting samsara into pieces, just doubting itself alone.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, that is the bigger picture, and wider way of Buddha has recommended how to work with the disturbed mind.

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Rimpoche: Looking through, looking through the door of wisdom, working against ignorance.

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Rimpoche: However, it might be very difficult for us to do just now.

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Rimpoche: So, then what you have? Another way of doing it.

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Rimpoche: Meditating.

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Rimpoche: Love.

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Rimpoche: Compassion.

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Rimpoche: All these will work.

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Rimpoche: So, that is the briefly, I was supposed to stop here for your tea break or something. Right? Is it 3.15pm or? Right? I am supposed to stop here for tea break.

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Rimpoche: And come back, we have little question and discussion, and may be working with a little bit of ???, I hope it was not empty.

Audience: (Laughing)

0:49:14.5.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: I will be the existence tea.

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Rimpoche: So, I just give you a, a briefly, about the, about the, the, if you are interested at this thus how you look into getting rid of problems from the root, and just give you rough idea, completely very, very, gross idea about ignorance, about emptiness, and all these, very briefly, very, very, gross idea, I giving, just simply it looks like just giving you some kind of glimpse like that.

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0:50:15.8

Audience: (Laughing)

Rimpoche: Okay. Might have said empty or ??? Okay. But don’t think you are going to understand. Don’t.

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Rimpoche: I just simply give you idea. Don’t expect to understand. Because it is not to be understood that way at all.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And I also like to emphasize one, when you try to look with wisdom, look for empty, and don’t look in the whole, don’t look in empty.

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Rimpoche: If you look in zero, if you look for zero in empty, you going to find the zero, nothing else.

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Rimpoche: Is that clear? So, you have to look in existence.

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Rimpoche: When you look in existence. You see how it has been existed?

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Rimpoche: So, when you see it is existence it is only a combination or something like that.

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Rimpoche: And then you begin to see what empty it is.

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Rimpoche: In consultation with your own thoughts and understanding of mind.

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Rimpoche: So, that, just, just I like to mention that. If you look into empty, you find is zero. So, look through existence, through the eye of existence, you will find of non-existence.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Anyway, I am sorry, I am a little bit over carried in the afternoon talking about that, and then I have sort of, you know, just come up of it.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: But, then, if you look it back, again, from our bases, from our bases, we have mentioned very briefly about delusion is the cause of existence.

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Rimpoche: And working with the delusions, we have mentioned as a little bit of the wisdom part of it.

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Rimpoche: And wisdom part is, is definitely answer, no question.

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Rimpoche: But would it be relevant for us today?

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Rimpoche: It is very difficult to be relevant for us today.

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Rimpoche: The question really arises, then what can I do?

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Rimpoche: What can I do, me the ??? in the street of ???

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(Transcriber’s note: Kid making noise in the background.)

Rimpoche and audience: (Laughing)

Audience: She teach you all, Rimpoche.

Rimpoche: That’s good. So, what in our level, what can we do?

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Rimpoche: And that is the, there are number of ways you can do.

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Rimpoche: One is meditation.

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Rimpoche: And without which, it is difficult to, even the wisdom cannot be developed, unless you have strong development of Samantha.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Transcriber’s note: (Kid making noises in the background.)

Audience: (Laughing)

Rimpoche: Okay. The Samantha is relevant for us. Because that makes our mind settle down.

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Rimpoche: And touch the ground.

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Rimpoche: Relax the mind. Give it rest for your mind.

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Rimpoche: Okay. Ah. There is a question what is Samantha? What is Samantha meaning that?

Translator: It is usually not translated.

Rimpoche: You do not translate.

Audience: (Laughing)

Rimpoche: (Laughing) It is very good answer. Sort of concentrated mind, mind which will be able, you know, becoming mind perfect usage, mind to be able to use as much as you want to and where you want to. You know, the word Samantha is Sanskrit word.

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Rimpoche: In Tibet, it is called shi-ne.

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Rimpoche: Shi is peace.

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Rimpoche: Ne is remain.

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Rimpoche: Remaining in peace.

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Rimpoche: That’s a direct translation. However, it doesn’t mean that, anyway.

Audience: (Laughing)

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Rimpoche: Sorry to disappoint you. Looks like nice, right, peace, remaining in peace and something like love and life. But it’s not.

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Rimpoche: The explanation on that, is making mind to be able to use it.

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Rimpoche: In right way.

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Rimpoche: How does that works?

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Rimpoche: Our mind just now is very gross,

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Rimpoche: And very unstable. (Rimpoche laughs.) I don’t mean we are crazy, but very unstable.

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Rimpoche: And we cannot use it much. Because, you know, you try to use, concentrate on certain thing and suddenly there is tremendous disturbance to that.

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Rimpoche: So, so, getting all these obstacles over, and making the mind, you will be able to use whatever the direction you be able to use it, is getting closer to shi-ne.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Okay. So, direction of the shi-ne, towards the direction of the shi-ne, and to meditate, is very useful.

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Rimpoche: But without any direction like shi-ne, you know like in the West, I think everybody here, more or less, I think everybody will meditate one time or another, one form or another. When we talk about meditation, immediately, everybody knows, they move a little bit of their body and have different gesture, whatever it is, we like to call it mudra, since a little bit romantic. So, everybody does something. The question really remains, what do you do?

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Rimpoche: Actually, you are imitating.

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Rimpoche: You are imitating some other people and you can imitate the body, their gesture and all this, but I am not sure whether you can really imitate the mind or not.

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Rimpoche: And so, for me, it is much safer, if you meditate on the, on the direction towards shi-ne.

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Rimpoche: Of course, there are lot of different types of meditation, four mindfulness.

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Rimpoche: And all of them, they will work towards that direction, but shi-ne is most important.

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Rimpoche: Okay. Now, how does that work?

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Rimpoche: That’s complicated.

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Rimpoche: I wish there is some kind of simple solution everywhere, everywhere, everything is complicated.

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Rimpoche: In one way, it is complicated, in another way it might not be that complicated.

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Rimpoche: Because individual, what effort you have to put, is only concentrate.

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Rimpoche: Concentrate on something.

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Rimpoche: Okay. So, but before we even concentrate on something, it is also very important in the West, I notice people in the West do need just sit down, really, sit down and grounded.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Almost sit and think nothing.

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Rimpoche: For the Tibetan tradition, when I was a young kid. When I was brought in the Tibetan way, sitting down and thinking method is obstacle.

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Rimpoche: My teacher used to tell me, if you sit down and think nothing, and where you going to be reborn.

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Rimpoche: And they tell me, are you going to be reborn in one of those formless realms.

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Rimpoche: The formless realm called like that of space.

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Rimpoche: Like that of mind.

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Rimpoche: Nothingness.

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Rimpoche: And then top of samsara. So, my teacher used to warn me, if I sit without thinking nothing, you going to be reborn in nothingness of the formless realm.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: It is not going against samsara or against delusion or the root of delusion, anyway.

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Rimpoche: However, in the West, it is absolutely necessary.

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Rimpoche: Problem does not arise of taking rebirth in space like formless realm.

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Rimpoche: Why? Because you don’t even have it, you don’t even have the thinking nothing state at all.

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Rimpoche: If you sit down, you will think hundred different things.

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Rimpoche: So, you don’t have to worry about it.

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Rimpoche: What you have to worry about it is first to get that even the state of thinking nothing.

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Rimpoche: So, it though, ultimately it may be obstacle but at this moment, you need it.

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Rimpoche: So, try to get that.

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Rimpoche: Then other people will tell you how to break, break in out, and what’s here, what’s there, concentrate here, body sensation, all this and that, all that, everybody will tell you and they all help you to concentrate.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: But in order to develop good shi-ne, reasonably respectable shi-ne, the first step what you have to take is the object of meditation.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Whatever the object might be,

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Rimpoche: Doesn’t matter.

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Rimpoche: It could be external thing,

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Rimpoche: Or internal thing.

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Rimpoche: But object must be there.

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Rimpoche: Let’s say if you are taking external object.

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Rimpoche: Say, you are going to meditate on, you know, what Kadampa lama used to say, you can meditate on anything,

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Rimpoche: From the yak’s horn to cow dung, that’s what they say.

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Rimpoche: So, anything.

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Rimpoche: So, as long as you can focus.

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Rimpoche: So, when you need external, and it is a, if you going to meditate on external object, you have to produce external object.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: When I say external object produced, I do not mean, I do not mean, when I say you have to use external object produced, I don’t mean you have to manufacture one, manufacture one.

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Rimpoche: But you have to mentally produced.

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Rimpoche: Mentally, you have to get it.

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Rimpoche: And don’t look at picture. Let’s say you meditate on Buddha.

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Rimpoche: And it is important to produce image of Buddha, mentally.

Translator: (In Dutch)

(Transcriber’s note: Kid’s noises in the background getting louder.)

Rimpoche: If you do not produce mentally image, I mean, you try to look at the picture of the Buddha, you are not turning on,

(Transcriber’s note: Kid’s noises getting louder in the background.)

Rimpoche: Let it go, let it go. You are not turning the,

Rimpoche: Let it run, never mind, as long as doesn’t touch the tape. If you are definitely ???, looking at the picture and try to concentrate, (Transcriber’s note: Everyone laughing.) Get the perfect message,

(Transcriber’s note: Think people adjusting the microphone.)

Rimpoche: So, now, I am sorry, lost, where did we go. Would you like to take them little bit outside? Thank you.

(Transcriber’s Note: Kid making noise in the background.)

Rimpoche: So, now, where are we? When we try to, try to meditate on image of the Buddha, and the first problem, the biggest problem is to produce object on what you meditate.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Do not look at the picture and meditate.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Though sometimes it is helpful, if you keep looking at the picture and concentrate, it won’t work.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: The reason why it won’t work is we are training our mind we are not training our eyes.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, mental object is important. But, you see, I am talking this presumably that people will continuously go, this are too early state to us even to talk now. At the beginning level, you have to able to concentrate on anything, to breath or sensation, whatever it is, you be able to concentrate long time, rather than move on this. I am saying this because we don’t meet all the time, so that’s why, you know, sort of whatever we want to say we say it through. And so, you have to be able to adjust yourself because you don’t go direct from the beginning.

1:12:19.9

Translator: (In Dutch)

1:12:28.1

Rimpoche: Not only, a, a, the, not only you able to concentrate long enough to be able to calm down and settle, but also, I found, it is very useful for people particularly who are practicing Tibetan Buddhism, if they have pre, pre, pre, some kind of a concentration, if not really Samantha but some kind of what we called it Vipassana or whatever it is, some kind of concentration, is very useful as a pre, before getting into Tibetan Buddhism.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: I do have a number of friends who have been, who have done like concentrated meditation either Zen or Vipassana, or that style, for 10, 15 years after that coming and practicing Tibetan Buddhism, it works very well.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, when you don’t have that, then it is very useful, to sort of go do a pre shi-ne meditation is also very good.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: But I also found, Vajrayana students who have been doing a number of years Vajrayana practice, and try to go back and to do this, to do this, you get hell of a problem.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And that is not only once, but I found like, you know, number of times, repeatedly, I notice that.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, if you are already in Vajrayana path, then it is good to go through the shi-ne.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Rather than trying to do Zen or, or Vipassana.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: But if you are not really entered the Vajrayana path, then you do this, it is very useful.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, anyway for the shi-ne point of view, and first establish object of meditation.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And that is very difficult to produce.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Because the picture, you don’t get it.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Picture, very funny picture, have picture habit, if you want to concentrate on image of the Buddha, to picture image of Buddha is very difficult.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: If that Buddha has head, there is no leg, if there is leg, there is no head, if there is head and leg, there is no hand, you know, all this thing, are practical problem on Vajrayana.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And if you are Vajrayana practitioner, then it is also easy to do all this.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: You can concentrate on eye of particular deity.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And that sort of thing like that there, I am not going to tell details, but anyway. So, when you finding it is difficult, you know, the first problem is to finding, find object of clarity.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, don’t spend too much time to clear all, or sort of become solid.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Because it can take all the time you have.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, as long as you get some kind of yellow lump,

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: As long as you can make difference between the image of the Buddha and something else, that is good enough.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And then acknowledge that as an image of Buddha.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And then keep on concentrating,

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: As simple as that.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Then you will encounter with problems.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Two kind of problems,

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Problem of wandering mind,

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And sinking mind.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Okay. The sinking mind problems are come, because it is too tight, you are too tight on the object.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: The wandering problem will come because you are too loose on the object.

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Rimpoche: So, you adjust in between.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Keep on adjusting, like the musical instrument, people tune, they tune the instrument, just like that, you have to tune.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Tune between the tightness and the looseness,

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, you are able to concentrate more and more,

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Without disturbing.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: That’s how you move.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: If you have time, and then there are sort of, you know, there are nine different stages on this

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: There are four powers,

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Six are ??? I am sorry, temporarily you join them together.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, I may not be able to tell you that today, no way. So that’s why, I am simply telling you, adjust between the, the tightness and the looseness, because then our first problem is, first or even last, problem are only wandering mind and sinking.

Translator: (In Dutch)

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Rimpoche: Actually, more and more you be able to concentrate, the problem become more subtle, and subtle, subtle, when it becomes more subtle, and subtle, subtle, it become more difficult to handle. That’s how it works.

1:20:37.1

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, with this, you have to go, till you get certain signs in your body and mind.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: These signs are, and the body signs, there are tremendous pleasure in body, you get.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: It starts from the head,

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Something, you know, if you have shaved your hair, or if you are bald-headed, you know, in Japanese restaurant, they give you hot towel, so like that, if you put hot towel, you feel good.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: In that manner, some kind of sensation feeling of body come from head.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Your body will be light,

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And it is very, it is almost be able to fly around.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And when that is happening, you begin to lose your concentration.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, it is important not to let loose and keep on concentrating.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Then it hits your mind, there is tremendous joy you experience.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And then again there is danger of losing concentration.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And when you continue with that, and then this joy state of the body and mind, will be slightly relaxed, and you will be grounded.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: At that stage, your mind become eligible to be able to use on anywhere.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: As temporarily sort of a, yet temporarily, but a sort of state of, state of Samantha, might not be exact but state of Samantha there.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Then, and only then, you begin to watch emptiness.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Okay. Then and only then. Otherwise, we are not really ready to watch on empty.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Because we don’t have a stable ground.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Tsongkhapa used interesting example, Tsongkhapa used the Samantha as a, as a horse. And wisdom as the weapon, the horseman going on the war to fight with ignorance. You need two things. One very stable horse, good horse, reliable horse and sharp weapon.

Translator: Sorry, I miss that.

Rimpoche: Okay, good horse and sharp weapon. If you want, as a horseman, you know, the old Tibetan thing, you don’t have those plane flying, bomb throwing, when they fight, they fight on horseback right, even in old Europe, they do the same thing. For that, you need very strong horse and sharp weapon.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: The good horse is the Samantha.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And the sharp weapon is the wisdom which Tibetan called, which Sanskrit original called Vipassana.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: But the purpose of Vipassana, horse going round but let by ‘gongkar’ and all these things, might not be the same thing Vipassana we are talking about it.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, anyway, basically, another option is the meditation going towards, going towards the, the, Samantha concentration.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And then of course, normal everyday awareness.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Which is very important.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And I do have a talk coming up, awareness, from awareness to, did you change that, it is there, when it that coming?

Audience: 22nd January, Nijmegen.

Rimpoche: Oh that is in Nijmegen. Oh, okay.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: From habitual to awareness. Right?

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: So, maybe I able to talk there a little more because I don’t think I can do much today.

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: And the love compassion point, we also have workshop coming up, right? This weekend or what? Or next weekend?

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Is that a week from today. Right? Okay. So, here you go. (Rimpoche laughs.) Okay. Ya, you have question or what? Go ahead?

Audience: ??? the sunyata, dharmadhatu and nirvana,

Translator: You mean you are talking about emptiness? Do you mean emptiness is same as sunyata, nirvana or dharmadhatu?

Rimpoche: Sunyata, nirvana, dharmadhatu, what is all these three, emptiness, okay. Do you all know what is sunyata is?

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Do you know all what dharmadhatu is?

Translator: (In Dutch)

Rimpoche: Don’t you have a dharmadhatu centre, here? Do you have or not? You don’t.

Audience: Only in Amsterdam.

Rimpoche: Only in Amsterdam. That is dharmadhatu.

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Rimpoche: You know nirvana is?

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Rimpoche: I am sorry there are terminology has popped up which you have no idea. Can we give brief idea about what is it.

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Rimpoche: There is two things called, nirvana and samsara. Do you know samsara? How many know samsara? Huh? A lot of people know. How many people know nirvana? Only 1, 2. So, opposite of samsara is nirvana.

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Rimpoche: This is a Sanskrit terminology. Samsara means circle of life, right? From the Buddhist point of view, death, bardo, birth, continuation without our own control is called samsara, briefly.

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Rimpoche: Then goes nirvana. You get out of this circle, you cut out that the circle, somehow circle breaks, you get out of it and when you get out of it, and then it becomes nirvana.

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Rimpoche: Nirvana doesn’t have any sufferings, direct sufferings.

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Rimpoche: Nirvana doesn’t have any delusion either.

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Rimpoche: But there can be imprint of delusion.

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Rimpoche: The imprint of delusion, if you understand, easily, the example is garlic and garlic smell.

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Rimpoche: Supposed you have a lot of garlic chopped in somewhere and then, you, you removed the garlic, you ate the garlic or whatever, you removed the garlic, after that, it still remains the garlic smell, right?

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Rimpoche: So, imprint of those garlic, garlic, imprint is like those garlic smell.

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Rimpoche: And there is no obstacle to be free from samsara,

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Rimpoche: But still obstacle to become fully enlightened being.

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Rimpoche: So, from the Mahayana point of view, when we talk about fear, we talk about two kinds of fear.

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Rimpoche: Fear of suffering in samsara,

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Rimpoche: And fear of too peaceful in nirvana.

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Rimpoche: This is a two-problems.

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Rimpoche: So, the Mahayana balances in between.

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Rimpoche: So, therefore, when I say emptiness, it is not nirvana.

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Rimpoche: Dharmadhatu is, dharmadhatu is, something which you obtain,

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Rimpoche: State of pure,

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Rimpoche: So, which is the, which is almost result, immediate direct result of sunyata.

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Rimpoche: Okay. It is theoretical, there is slightly different between sunyata and dharmadhatu.

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Rimpoche: And I hope emptiness is translation of sunyata.

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Rimpoche: With that, I hope I have answered your question.

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