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Speaker Gelek Rimpoche

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Transcriber Wen-Jane Ting

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0:18 to 1:20 the subject we are going to talk about today is continuous...the wisdom series. one of the......wisdom knowledge of knowing the triggering wisdom......wisdom knowing actually talking of this moment......(mumble)

1:20 the reason why we talk about that is basically here the wisdom really truely division modern above all emptiness..I want to talk about it really briefly .......(mumble).

1:43 so specifically we are looking for emptiness. Emptiness is a conservative ....

1:58 That's why it is very important point. It is extremely important almost every logic of Buddhism. Basically when you look at the moment of truth. the truth of the past and we look in condition because we're talking to the past then we're talking it was past, or this past, or that past, all the sudden to do that really the true past is nothing but than that of wisdom itself. Basically wisdom is divided into two categories. positive condition looking and seeing the true image itself..... wisdom other than itself looking anything else outside and truly existence left of it. it basically magnum of emptiness.

3:45 It's rather interesting if you look and think there is a sutra called the sutra requested by yuconsole?

4:00 to 4:24 Tibetan lengthy quote "don by cio wa....."

4:24 the emptiness peace and another growing. and when we don't understand this and that's why the whole existence of the suffering grows out of that and that it is physical, emotional, or mental suffering. Because we could not really get into the deep meaning of emptiness the... meaning of peace and the... meaning of self not growing another growing

5:10 to 5:16 Tibetan quote "don by cio...."

5:16 so the buddha totally blamed for another annoying... natural a reality as a cause of total suffering instead of blaming to he or she did this or got that, this and that a totally blame on that and that's why in Buddhism... emptiness. and the empty key is ...combine two of them together into little strange when you look at it very carefully it is the reality. The reality of avoidness? est de .... this peace

6:20 A lot of people would say oh emptiness is peaceful. Therefore if this reality is empty it doesn't matter whatever I behaving? whatever I dream? it is long view long percision? it is delusion that may be right. That is extreme view. In reality emptiness is emptiness but it is not empty.... rather than empty.

6:46 In reality emptiness is emptiness but it is not empty.........rather than empty.

7:22 suchness is probably used in another term that phenomenon for emptiness quite close but completely a little.......natural reality to suchness emptiness

8:13 So basically I believe there is a moment of the most important keys of liberating... or liberating anybody is the mostly emptiness.... all part of Four Noble Truth

8:36 emptiness is such a thing that is no difference betweenthe terabydenmaya? .....mya wherever you look. It is the same emptiness. It is principle in ...though ......slightly difference. however emptiness is very much... to the impermanent too. the subtle impermanence is not emptiness however people can understand it is better if you look to the subtle impermanent into intiness? rather than looking at emptiness.... Another thing also to be pointed out it is extremely important here a number of people a number of us who strictly look forward when we talk about empty we definitely look for some kind of voit... some kind of ferrousness, some kind of nothingness, look into the word empty so drive you to go something like that.

10:28 and it was study by the early masters actually you are not really looking for something empty but you are looking for something of empty. you are looking for something less which is not bad rather than you are looking for total zero.

11:11 Remember I teach....if you are looking for zero you are going to find zero nothing else so don't really look into that So something is missing and what it is? That is not important something is not that who is not that what is not that There is I am emptiness I am not empty I am emptiness there is a difference

12:04 so it is very interesting. so earlier teachers tell you don't look for empty but if you want to understand the emptiness look for existence. How do we exist? where and how you exist and where and how you look at how you exist so basically when you look at me and I am looking at me so who is that me not who am I who is that me and why is that me so naturally what point did you get? who is me? so what do you get? big nose or bald headed, or beard or long hair, watery eyes or whatever so that's what it is, right? that is what you look. you are looking matter that's me. You are looking at picture. That's me. so what? true what does it mean? You are looking at picture. That's me. what does it mean? you are pointing a finger a physical shape who will carry a title called me. right? so me is the lable we put that lable on certain physical shape we call them me that matter really am me me not different people so we lable it wrong however we accept somehow accept that remember that ....... picture it really me remember you answer that's not me it's only my picture....somwhow it is commonly accepted so you don't go on argue with that if you go on argur with that you are a bit of crazy. True........

15:01 so whatever the society want generally accepted things you do accept that you need that that is not going to make any difference that is not going to make you not going to be you or that going to make that picture is you in reality that doesn't make any difference Accept that then don't go on argue what does that mean? It gives us a room a room to adapt Are you with me? a room to be able to adapt you can call it you can accept it you can contradict you.you can get away with it. That is really true. It shows you adpatbility This is special you can drift. there is a room for it which means there is no fixture of something called me if there is something fixture called me thare is no room to change there is no room for adaptbility there is no special me fixed that me fixed most whatever it is It's me that stucked there not there is no room for adaptbility it is so indicate field there is independentless what that mean independentless is that a language or that is not even a language there's less there is less of indepent existence..... lack of independent existence Wow that make long sense one word.... lack of independent existence get it? there is no room to play....lack of independent existence so how do you exist that question really rise now how is do I exist?

17:55 we had introduced you earlier during the concentrative meditation period something I am mind and all this..how do you exist? where are you going to put that lable so actually the lable was really put on the combination, the qualitiness of combination, combination of what? combination of my physical shape which I would identify as me. which is of course the true or not true the identity all that we have is it a physical appearance which is the body, right? is there by physical appearance but there's no mind, what happen to that physical appearance....It is called corpse. I never say that......

21:37 why i have three things which sound to me same thing whenI have the sound same thing to me you know what i am losing communication. Why because I'm losing one of those substance which I depend it on. The lable, I'm losing the lable. The lable I can't comminicate with you. all that's what happens so the lable works there for identification the identity, the lable, identity is the once that's one of the point but you have to have that combination the other is there is one you put it the lable the physical shape. the third one there is a person inside because of it, right? so in order to have a me there in order to have a person me I should have me the lable I should have me the physical identity of which you can put the lable and there is me I depend on this three combinations which is really interesting. If one of them missing, I'm in trouble, right? If I lose a lable I can not communicate. I lose comunication I lose one thing, right? if I turn head base to put the lable you may carry it as me you can never put on anybody who not fit wherever you go you're looking for the other side I carry me I'm going to put on John's head doesn't look like me

23:34 you and you and you everybody doesn't fit can't put the lable. even I put it, it is wrong oh no that's not me. that's not you. That's ..... so it contradicts by a direct mind. Anybody can say anything. That doesn't mean it's ... means really a direct mind. A direct conciousness can contradicte you honestly and truly which means wrong. ....can give you better example of this. I give you the old Tibetan example. An old Tibetan example you're ridding a horse and going on along plateau away on there from a distance you see some kind of tree trunk standing or maybe some little put together looks like a little lump from a distance you go there's somebody else coming it looks like a moving tour someone else coming you lable them somebody else. you tell youself there's another person coming so you see it looks like another person is coming but you keep on going there's another person coming you see in a meanwhie from a distance another person is coming in a meanwhie suddenly there is another person comes out right comes out a little faster than another one

someone you see and meet the person hey where are you going then you say what happen to the other person? which other person? you look at there the other guy that's not a person that's a tree trunk. alright so what happen? your mind says oh that's tree trunk alright you accept it. but if you are a stubborn person, no, no, no, that was a person. I saw it. so you insist if you are a stubborn person. if you are not somebody is not a stubborn person, ok it it not a person. your are stubborn. no, there is another person.... you go nearby you suddenly see you realize it is a tree trunk. when you see the tree trunk, your mind identifies it as anothe person as lost base.

26:35 as lost total base in your mind oh I made a mistake is not there right? so move the ...why you move the ....because it is directly it direct the mind of yours let I conciousness of something directs me contradict your earlier mind right... contradict your earlier mind so therefore it proved to be wrong which means that mind of ...person is groundless, not true, so likewise certain... can not contradict by our own mind but a lot of others direct mind would contradict which means you have to accept because other correct mind contradicting more than a number people contradicting you so you have to accept your mind is somethng wrong there. Are you with me? That's why you judge whether you are intellignt person or you are stubborn. very true stupid stubborn person really exist. beyond even direct mind has contradicted. so means true or right meaning a direct query mind will not contradict your point is really meaning true correct reliable in this wisdom point reliability is extremely important. the reliability is not the reliability what we talk is the reliability we are not talking about that we are talking about the reliability of the mind the way you make judgment of reliability is your judgement can not be contradicted by a direct mind of others. if you do so you have to be able to adaptable to be able to accept that you are wrong rather than be a stubborn of stupid insisting right? so that is the first level you establish and that's why if you do establish that a lot of craziness what the people what do we have a lot of those craziness and we all have that you know

30:06 and also the ... so like that so be able to crazy mind craziness.... also be able to overtake by this crowd. so what you really picking up is picking up the way you draw the line of .... much talking too much of the deep philosophical of spiriture deepness simply talking direct line just like this example of that man on the horse or looking at the particular threat or rope that is another tradition example a little darkness a rope with yellow or red twisted rope and then you see from a distance oh there's a snake so you do have some object you put the lable of snake so you making that snake maybe a cobra a dangerous you a little bit of scare you have to be worried you worry you would scare you get to scare too.

32:10 the lable of snake everything is snake. fumble to get upthere and cast a rope and say here you are you are a snake ouch! suddenly oh another snake is a rope so again the mind of perceiving the rope as snake has been directly confused do you know the difference here? it means can not understand it is ...so prove to be all wrong unless you are .... I saw that's a snake you just cheating you pick up another rope you telling me that you rather had me you scared me you all arguing craziness and there is enough end of that. that's why you draw the line.

33:16 so what happening is you putting a lable a lable there is something on which you put a lable that proves to be wrong. that basis is wrong, right? that's why it doesn't work. a similar a parent some parent put their children name prince princess you call that person prince or princess but in reality it doesn't make them prince or princess. anybody else will reject that. the name is but not a prince. That's what it is. so on which lable you put is also has to be whatever the best then who put the lable that also make difference who put the lable? it has to be the correct person to put the lable. you can not put by it wrong person. interesting example is during an election the democratic party will pick up somebody and is called our president in reality what you have done have selected a candidate for president. they put president right? The republican will pick up another person and they put the same lable president particular is president.... but then nobody else will call them president except that particular lable everybody else candidate president not a president, right? if you call that person, mr. president, if you shout mr president that person is not going to acknowledge at all. he doesn't accept that lable yet. why the party labling the candidate as president doesn't work? the wrong person lable it. the lable should be done by the american public through election whatever it is.

36:15 uder then no matter how many times you call them my president my president you mean your president.... President of United States so not only the base lable has to be correct but the who lable has to be correct. if a parent lables that child prince or princess as name, it may become a name of that person. but if other person calls him or her prince or princess, it would be a nickname rather than their name. that's why who lables make the difference. so I am telling you that is empty there is nothing that's OK and sometime it has to be right person the right lable the right object put it by the right person, right? when it is right American public elected the President and you declare the President and the president is the President the person becomes the president you call Mr. President. he'll say. "That's me." Right?

38:02 but president is not a permanent. true not a permanent it's impermanent. it is changing. if it is permanet it is right from the beginning if the president exist right? so before Clinton was born he has to be president so when Clinton born his mother should have particular president as boy it doesn't that's why it tells you all sorts of things so our existence our functioning it is very much dependent That is why it is called Dependent Origination. Dependently exist interdependent relationship interdependent relationship even a single person put the lable with physical identical conciousness depent on that if you lose this you become a dead body or spirit that's gone out of body does not become the person that's why it tells you it's not permanent it tells you it's not truly existence that some people go say it does not inherent existence you know what I mean so it's really it is not how empty we are but it means how exist we are how do we exist so it depends really it dependent a dependent what a dependent mean? basically dependent means what if I depend on a walking stick what is that mean I can not walk without a stick because I depend on it. so I don't have independent walking so if I exist then depend on my existence on the part of particles which means without that I can not exist independent so anyway I'm just giving you overview so the overview of selflessness is that's how you look at it and that's how you know it truly existence and how you really exists by knowing how we exist we also set the limit of where we draw the line

41:28 if you don't draw th line it does no difference between the ... and gold right it does not difference if doesn't lay on a line there's no difference between the ......you'll lose that ...no difference between gold and bronze crystal and diamond plastic and ... so it doesn't work that way because the bases are wrong the base hase to be right but base right ....does work the lable has ...right how do you know the lable is right? The direct mind will not reject that. again let's say mug right this is a mug you look at you say mug I say mug another this is wok this is wok this is a mug not a wok I say interlect language it is wok they are ok ok so what is that mean again the lable is not correct as mug but the wok is acceptable lable it doesn't have to be English along there's lot of those type of things but there's basic known the way you accept the way you reject Tibetan momo in Japanese momo called ... not ... peach again there is another confusion there but again there's nothing wrong it is acceptable so that what ... is all about

44:12 to be able to see how you exist to be able to see where you draw the line to be able to see what is wrong what is right the base is rigid the acceptable is there that acceptability of bases also flexible it is not completely loose canon round and round if you go to much loose canon you insist this is a peacock oh no this is a plate and there is also crazy it's not a plate it is mug it is wok it is acceptable whatever language other language comes into word but it is not acceptable to be plate this is I'm talking about externally but internally me my mind my consciousness me existing who is me

45:35 we can talk about what..... we can go very subtle or we can understand ....go that deep you can talk about cups mugs plates and the peach and momo all these and we can go on talking on that .... or you can go a little more choosy a little more philosophical selflessness, and consciousness I and natural reality and how the natural reality elements bodies and channel all these energy all these combine together take them around rather we talk..... pictures together that's.... work it's the same thing you see it's same thing and buddha sees that continuity.........when you see the true reality on any sigle day the inside outside dusted phenomena article anything you see true reality one thing you can come up anything else you don't have to go every single one I have learned this truth now i have to pick that truth.... it is one common everything it's pervasive truth if you can unlock the mystery in one thing it automatically unlock everything the key unlock conscious pervasive..... once you open one lock open everything That's about the wisdom