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Speak5er Gelek Rimpoche & Robert Thurman

Location Jewel Heart Netherlands??

Topic Tibet Mystic NationLojong

Transcriber Vickii Cahill

Date December 12, 2022

GR: That’s why AH represents the sound. (DT) And not only that, AH is also this. And AH is also the base of every sound. If there is not AH, you cannot produce any sound at all. (DT) Any sound that we make. We make. From the highest musical point to the lowest, lowest animal blow, whatever. Everything it has to have that AH within that. Otherwise sound without life. (DT) Even when the cows say, “moo”, it still has the AH there. (DT) I don’t know whether cows says “moo” or not. (laughs) That’s true. 0:01:23.6 (Tibetan: ah ni yon…Manjushri namo sangeti. (coughs) There’s a sutra or tantra, combination, whatever it is. It’s called Manjushri; Manjushri root text. Manjushri is the wisdom aspects of all the enlightened beings. In that text it says, 0:01:55.1 (Tibetan: ah ni …….) It says “AH” is the most important letter. Most important sound. It is the most important expression. It is coming from nature, deep down within individual, without which you cannot make any sense at all. Because it is life of sound. That is the. That’s what I’m talking about it. (DT) That represents; the AH represents sound. That’s why it’s so. That’s why we call it vajra sound. (DT)

0:03:02.0 Vajra means perfection. (DT) Indestructible (DT) So, ultimate level. (DT) And that’s why vajra body, vajra mind, vajra sound. (DT) Similarly HUNG represents five wisdoms. (DT) There are five letters in that. Combination of five letters become HUNG. (DT) And anyway five wisdom here, really meaning our terrible neurosis, such as. Terrible neurosis of ignorance, hatred, attachment, etc. What do we call it? Delusions or five terrible neurosis. When they become transformed and they become pure and then it becomes like five wisdoms. So, that is the components which makes the enlightened mind is the combination of five wisdom. So, which becomes enlightened mind, knowing all, all-knowing, etcetera. The reasons why we call it all-knowing etcetera because of those components of the mind. You know. So, the five wisdom combined together makes the enlightened mind. (DT) In our ordinary level, these are the neurosis. (DT) These are the negative emotions that we try to get rid of. (DT) But in the process of practice. (DT) Practice. The continuation of that will become wisdom. (DT)

0:06:05.8 So. So, that’s all about vajrayana’s way of transforming negativity. Transforming negative emotions and all of those. That is all about it. (DT) It goes through. It goes through tremendous amount of process. (DT) The process number one is cutting down the gross of that level. (DT) Process number one. Number two will be working with medium level of those neurosis and try to see it very carefully and look through and look through and put in the process. (DT) By putting through that process, it will be like, you put in. Like a white piece of cloth in the color process. And when it comes out, it comes out different color on it. Whether it is red or blue or green or yellow or whatever you put it on. So, it comes out in that manner how the process goes through. (DT) And then finally. At the final level. With the final process it becomes one of the most precious mental components. (DT) This is why the Vajrayana is so important. (DT)0:09:03.2 And Vajrayana’s way of dealing with our neurosis is different than the sutra. Hinayana or Mahayana sutra. (DT) In Hinayana level, you’ll simply avoid, disconnect, discipline and cut yourself out of it. (DT) In the Mahayana there might be some good use of it. Some but not all. Some here and there. (DT) And the Vajrayana says transform it. (DT) And that’s the reason why the Vajrayana has quick development and powerful and dangerous. (DT) Anyway. So, that’s why HUNG at the heart level. (DT) Since it is representing the mind and this is mental activity. So, therefore HUNG has more work to do than the other two letters. (DT) So, what does HUNG do? (DT) HUNG radiates light from the heart level of Lama Amitayus. Lama Amitabha at this moment. Lama Amitabha in front of you in his heart level. His or her heart level, letter HUNG radiates tremendous amount of light. (DT) Invites all the enlightened beings. (DT) In the form of Amitabha Buddha. (DT) Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara. (DT) Buddha Shakyamuni (DT) Etcetera, etcetera, different enlightened beings form. (DT) And dissolve to the Lama Amitabha. (DT)

0:12:01.3 And each one of those people in front of you in reality becomes all enlightened beings becoming one sitting in front of you. Each one of them. (DT) And also become inseparable than that of those invited and those you have imaginatively produced. (DT) So, here we have invited supreme field of merit and taken opportunity of generating, purifying, etcetera. So, brief seven limb. (DT) And first comes the praise. (DT) Praising the enlightened beings. (DT) when you say praise, you know, in the Judeo-Christian tradition also they. Also you praise. Praise the Lord. This and that. You say that. Right? (DT) And very similar (DT) Here we also praise them. (DT) And way and how we praise them here is admiring their qualities. (DT) Quality of the body. (DT) Quality of the speech. (DT) Quality of the mind. (DT) Quality of their capability. (DT) Quality of their knowledge. (DT) Quality of their activity. (DT) And praise them and also the simultaneously express that one would like to have those qualities too. (DT) And who praises? (DT) Me. (DT) But not me as one person. (DT) Me who multiplied by millions of “me”. Filled up the space. (DT)

0:15:08.1 So, in the Buddhist tradition, there’s a story called the Samantabhadra activity. (DT) The Samantabhadra who generates ten more. And each ten will generate ten more. It becomes a hundred. Each ten will generate more. It becomes ten more. It becomes a hundred thousand. And each generates. No. Multiply that way. And not only person’s multiplied, but each person will. Each head will multiply ten more head. Each ten will multiply ten more times in that way. So, that in short. In short, who are praising. It’s zillions of beings In reality your own manifestations. Whole open ground has been totally filled up that your own manifestations and they’re praising together. Same time. It’s not only a hundred thousand. Not only a hundred million. But it’s zillions and zillions and zillions of praise together. (DT) Same thing. The next step is offering. Offering. Offering the good quality. Offering every wonderful things. Every wonderful things. Not only a glass of water. If you have just glass of water, the glass of water multiplies by countless number. A bouquet of flower multiplies by the countless number. Anything. The light, the incense. The light also, not an ordinary candlelight.

0:17:58.4 (Tibetan: ….) Like the moonlight. Sunlight. Sunlight reflected to the moon. Moonlight. Electricity light and anything that gives you. The purpose of the light is to illuminate. Anything that illuminates. Zillions of them. And full. Everything. Whatever. Whatever. Even a single scent or gulden multiplies by zillions and offer them. That is the Vajrayana practice of generosity. Making best use of the human mind capacity to bring up countless merit. That’s what we do. (DT) (DT) Like anger. Robert is anger. (DT) Do you get angry? You do? Very much? Huh?

Robert: Not too often

GR: Not too often. You are kind, soft, sweet gentleman. Are you? (DT) Or anger, faith, attachment. (DT) All of them are becoming part and parcel of the mind. (DT) The feelings. (DT) Perception. (DT) Conceptualization. (DT) All of them are there. (DT) You started taking them in the part, like taking hands off, the legs off. You know. And you take them off. (DT) So, that. So, then you are not going to find one point. Say, “Hey. This is the one.” (DT) It is very funny. Buddha says. Actually, Buddhism says. Whether it is really Buddha said or the Indian metaphysical scholar followed by Buddha. Whoever said that. But the Buddhist viewpoint here is, the theory, or the idea of relativity, is really present deep down. No matter how subtle the atoms you may go. You know atoms. Particles. No matter how subtle you may go, you will never find the point where you cannot divide. Always pair. Never single. Always possible to be

Translator: Divided

GR: Pair. Because there is east and west of every particle. So, if there is not dividable then east and west should touch, which never touches. That is the bottom line on this. In the relativity. Boils down to that.

0:02:47.9 (DT) 0:03:37.6 No matter how subtle it may become. (DT) there’s always a division can be made. (DT) So. So, the. Because of the subtleness you cannot become a single. (DT) Are you with me? (DT) So, you people are educated person. By telling you that, you’ll know. That’s good enough to know. Really. (DT) Then some people may think, Alright. When I say east and west can never touch. Right? But there’s always division. But then you may; some people may think, “Oh. The east may be able forever east. West may be forever west.” That’s also not true. There’s another atom on the other side will relatively change. (DT) So, from the material. From the material point of view. From the chemical, or chemistry or material, chemical, chemistry point of view, that’s how they establish theory of relativity which means, theory of emptiness. (DT) So, it’s always dependent. (DT) Never independent. (DT) So, the independent not exist. It might not be the emptiness. But that is the best way we can see it. (DT) The Pabongka’s Liberation in. What is it?

0:06:02.3 Translator: The palm of your hand.

GR: Palm of your hand. If you read in there, they will tell you the subtle impermanence is not true emptiness, however this is the best way we can see emptiness. Didn’t they? The people who read it. (DT) Get it?

Translator: Yeah.

GR: So, that’s why they call it naturally empty. From the natural it is empty. This, all this, all this views that you say, “Naturally empty, naturally empty.” All these are because there is a not a single point where we say, “This is it.” (DT) Is it little help? I’m asking you.

Audience: Me?

GR: Yeah.

Audience: This is

GR: Is it?

Audience: people are looking

GR: No. Is it little help? The understanding of the emptiness, I think, this is something that you have to keep on building it up. Building it up. A little bit here. A little bit there .A little bit here. A little bit here. And builds up. And then after a little while you get it. (DT) So, then they always talk about the two, two points. Right? Right at the extreme points. And then left extreme. Or right extreme. Or whatever these two points they talk about it. It is the fear is. Fear is when you go on and going to go on and go on searching. And suddenly you begin to realize, “I’m not there. I doesn’t exist at all.” (DT) Sometimes people go too extreme and say, “This is totally illusion. And illusion. It’s nothing there. It is all illusion. I’m dreaming.

0:09:00.0 Nothing’s happening. Nothing’s there.” People go too extreme that much. (DT) So, to avoid that. And that’s why they say, “don’t go.” And also fear of. And also fear of not having a cause and effect. (DT) And if you don’t have cause and effect, then you have negative emotions and its consequences. (DT) And positive emotions and its consequences. (DT) So, if you don’t have those, then you lose our total principle. (DT) When I say, “our total principle.” I don’t mean Buddhist total principle I mean, our existence total principle.(DT) That is important not to lose. (DT) So, that’s why they say, “Don’t be extremist.” Extremist of nihilist or whatever they call it. (DT) And then on the other hand, it becomes extreme of existentialist. (DT) And that becomes a totally static settled one’s done forever sort of thing. (DT) As matter of fact, sometimes the, the, the. The western viewpoint of guilt is sometimes good example of extreme existentialistic view, to me. (DT) Because I have done something wrong, so I’m stuck. I’ve been bad. I cannot correct. I cannot change. I’m bad person. I’m stuck there. I’m waiting for my judgement. You know. Sort of, you know.

0:12:01.0 And that’s going to be bad. Bound to be bad sort of thing. People. That is extremist view. To me. (DT) That’s been too harsh for ourselves. (DT) There’s no such thing called “done deal”.

Translator: Like what?

GR: There’s no such a thing called “done deal”. Done deal.

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GR: (DT) Even those what we call “done deal”, signed document provided will also change. (DT) Even at the relative truth level. They change. So, at the absolute level, there is no such. (DT) And when you think there is a such a think that “I cannot help it. I cannot be. I’m doomed.” And that is extreme viewpoint. (DT) You may not realize when you hold your extreme viewpoints. You don’t think it is extreme viewpoint. You think you’re very liberal. But you’re really functioning like extremist. (DT) At least on yourself. (DT) So, therefore it has to be relaxed. (DT) And somehow acknowledge that as an extreme view. (DT) And it also change. (DT) Oh, definitely. No question. (DT) No question. Even your thoughts. Even your attitudes on your own treatment to yourself will change. Year by year. Even week by week. Day by day. Hour by hour, you know it yourself. For sure (DT) Sometimes in earlier hour you think, “Oh, I’m terrible. I’m going to almost kill myself. “

0:15:04.7 But then the next hour, you don’t think that much. (DT) Still you believe that you are sort of guilty or sinner or something. You know? It’s maybe the right word that I can use. Not guilty. But sinner. (DT) So, I think nothing can be done until I’ve been punished or something. You know? (DT) So, that is extreme view. (laughs) (DT) And if you believe in the center path. Middle path. It is the. It is the balancing point. These views are extreme view. (DT) When you talk about whether I exist or not exist. He exist or not exist. It is different. But when you talk about my feelings towards me and my own thoughts towards me. If you deal with this, you will see the difference. (DT) When you be able to see that, you’re wise. You have wisdom. (DT) And when you don’t see that, then you have lack of wisdom. I don’t want to say, “You’re stupid.” But it’s lack of wisdom. (DT) So, this is the one main point I will urge all of you to remember. (DT) And don’t think. Don’t keep on thinking, I’m a bad. I’ve been bad person. (DT) And don’t think, “It’s my fault. Everything. Everything is my fault.” (DT) That’s also stupid. Another extreme viewpoint. Everything’s my fault. You know. (DT) 0:17:44.5 ??? whole thing is impossible. How can there be everything my fault? You know. If you want to make a clap, you need two hands. One hand never makes sound. (DT)

0:18:02.3 So, all this extreme viewpoints that we hold. Either this or that or everything. Whatever it is. It is cause of our suffering. (DT) But I’m not saying there is no negativity. Ok. Again. (laughs) (DT) Yes, we do have negativities. And we also make mistake. (DT) We also create problem. (DT) But that’s not permanent. (DT) The problem is not permanent. (DT) The negativity is not permanent. (DT) Your creation is not permanent. (DT) It is changeable. (DT) So. So, remember that. (DT) It will change. (DT) So. So, free of extreme is wisdom. (DT) This is very unusual emptiness anyway. So. (DT) (laughs) But emptiness on our own thoughts. (DT) Ok. This is not emptiness on self. (DT) But emptiness on self-attitude. (DT) Move from there. (DT) If you move on the emptiness on your self-attitude, and then it will relieve you. Sometimes it can relieve you quite a lot. (DT) And also it will help you to understand the real emptiness on ourself better. (DT) Right now, how can we think of emptiness on self? (DT) When we think our, the work that I have done is permanent, can’t change, how can you think self as empty? Way? How? (DT) No way. So, to begin with.

0:21:03.6 The, our level, I should say, my level of looking into free of extreme. I will look my thoughts, my attitude, my feelings towards me. And I’ll free from there. (DT) It is dependent relationship. (DT) The actions that we have taken wrong. The negatives that we have created. The sins we have committed. And its consequences and all of them are relative. Relative, meaning, it is condition-ized. And it is dependent on the relationship. It is relativity. (DT)

Translator: I missed the beginning. I’m sorry.

GR: The sins that we have committed.

Translator: Yeah

GR: And all of them are relativity. (DT) Buddhist doesn’t use the terminology of sin, at all. (DT) They call negativity. Or whatever they call it. Non-virtuous. Same thing. (DT) But we, we’re using it because we think that way. (DT) So, that’s also relatively exist. (DT) Means it is dependent. (DT) Dependent on its components, parts. (DT) It depends on the conditions. (DT) Conditions are changeable. (DT) I have a karma to get stomachache. (DT) For sure. No question. (DT) Yeah. But if I look after myself. If I eat the right food. (DT)

0:24:06.2 Food. I’m not going to get stomachache. (DT) Because I did not provide the conditions. (DT) Do we ever think that way? (DT) Right? So. So, it very much depends on the conditions. (DT) Each and every one of us have a different karma there. (DT) Who doesn’t have any karma of whatever it might be? (DT) Everybody. Each and every one of us have karma to get, to become a king or queen. (DT) Or to get ill with aids or whatever. (DT) Everyone of us have that karma. (DT) Every human being. (DT) Every living being have that karma. (DT) But it we don’t provide the conditions, we’re not going to get it. We’re not king because we don’t have subject. (laughs) (DT) And same thing. When we avoid the condition, no mater the cause is there or not, it doesn’t materialize because it’s dependent arise. (DT) This is the freedom we have. (DT) And we must enjoy that. (DT) We must acknowledge that. (DT) There’s no reason why one has to torture one’s self. (DT) for nothing. (DT) Virtually for nothing. (DT) Yeah. People go to so extreme. It’s everything I did; all my fault. I’m the one. Terrible. Why. Wooo woo. On every single thing. Even you might have caused the Bosnia war or something. Everybody will think that way. (DT)

0:27:03.3 And that’s ignorance. (DT) So, if you want to get, cut ignorance. Cut that out. (DT) Here is your object of negation. (DT) Whether I’m there or not there is a different issue. (laughs) (DT) So. So, that’s it. 0:27:34.0 (Tibetan: …) Now let’s go back to this point here. (Tibetan:…) So, what you really need is. What you really need is, need to understand, truly, naturally, inherently, nothing is existing. Yet, everything functions like illusion. However, illusion is not a total hallucination. It is illusion. There’s a difference between hallucination and illusion. (DT) Even here it says, “when you’re free of extreme viewpoints of right and left.” (DT) And this is the way to get to the enlightenment. (DT) So, how to liberate our own extreme cuts are really within our mind. Our attitude towards ourself. (DT) Of viewing. Viewing ourself as a terrible sinner, helpless, hopeless condition. (DT) Or viewing ourselves as too extreme. Couldn’t care less. Nothing happens. No. No. No, no, nothing. No right. No left. Nothing’s right. Nothing’s wrong. You know, everything is extreme happy-go-lucky is also other extreme. (DT) Senseless. Some people doesn’t even sense what is happening.

0:30:03.2 Goes too extreme. (DT) Balance that first. (DT) That is your centralization. (DT) And then thereafter we begin to see. (DT) To see whether you truly exist or not. (DT) And how do we exist. (DT) And what does it mean, dependent originated? (DT) I just now talk to you. There’s karma. But whether karma can function or not depends on the condition. (DT) So, these are the basic idea of dependent arise. (DT) We talk about Robert. Robert’s existence. (DT) So, all of them should give you an idea of how to look in that balance point. (DT) Then it also doesn’t really matter whether Robert exists on the head or the heart. (DT) But what does matter is ourself. (DT) Yourself and your own treatment by yourself on your own deeds. (DT) Remember that. (DT) That’s important. (DT) And even you have negativities. Who doesn’t have negativities? Give me one person who is free of negativities. Forget about enlightened beings. Ok? (Laughs) After that, give me one single person who doesn’t have negativity. (DT) Everybody has done something wrong on some time or another. Even those enlightened beings, they have done wrong. (DT) So, the trick lies on purification. (DT) And don’t provide the conditions. (DT)

0:33:03.9 That’s how you handle your own. That’s how you drive your car. (DT) Don’t provide the condition. (DT) And avoid the conditions and keep on purifying. (DT) And don’t create more. (DT) That’s how you get free. (DT) Simple. (DT) Very simple. (DT) Any problems with that? (DT) I’m sorry. It’s really the way it is. (DT) That how you manage your own karma. (DT) Don’t ever give them conditions. (DT) Negative karma. (DT) Avoid as much as you can. (DT) But sometimes you lose. (DT) Sometimes you lose

Translator: Sometimes you lose

GR: Yeah. What. Doesn’t matter. (DT) It doesn’t matter. You lose. (DT) Not a big deal. (DT) Really true. As long as you don’t lose big way. (DT) That’s what it is. We try our best not to provide the conditions. (DT) So, I tried not to eat sweet as much as possible. (DT) But sometimes you lose. (DT) So, your sugar will go up. (DT) So, then you again try your best. Walk. Eat less. And you’ll come down. (DT) So, then who knows how long it goes up and down but. Anyway that’s how you handle. (DT) And even you lose a little bit here and there. It’s not big deal. (DT) So, it is same thing with all of our karma. Same thing. (DT) As long as we can maintain in life. As long as we don’t fall in lower realm. As long as we can take the essence out of life, and when you can do those. These are the main points. You give up. You lost your temper. You lose your this thing. You get upset. And you fall.

0:36:02.7 You fall in attachment .And you do all this. You suffer a little bit and you get out of it. You suffer a little bit. .It’s a part of life. So, what is big deal on that. You know. (DT) Keep your principles straight. (DT) That is kindness and compassion. (DT) Loving to yourself and others. (DT) And always try to do best. (DT) and never be mean. (DT) You understand? Never be mean. (DT) And try not to harm, as much as possible. (DT) Somethings you can’t avoid. (DT) You drive a car. (DT) The insects will die under the dirt road. (DT) On the dirt road. Under the car. Sometimes you drive in the middle of the street. Some cat goes, or some bird goes. You can’t help it. (DT) You try to avoid. (DT) You put brake on, but sometimes brake doesn’t stop. You know? (DT) these things happens. (DT) Did we create a negativity by hitting bird? (DT) On the road. Sure we did. (DT) Sure we did. But is that end of the world? (DT) Certainly not. (DT) So, what do you do with that negativity? (DT) You can purify it. (DT) Because it is permanent. Impermanent. (DT) Because it’s empty. (DT) Because it’s emptiness. This is the freedom. (DT) And keep that in everything in your past days and months and weeks and years. Whatever you have done. And think those way. (DT)

0:39:07.9 Don’t relax on purification. (DT)

Translator: Don’t relax or rely

GR: Don’t relax on doing purification. Mean, keep on working hard on purification.

Translator: Yeah

GR: (DT) But try not to create new. (DT) Avoid the condition. (DT) That’s how you live. (DT) I’m finished here. (DT) This is eight view. Eighth viewpoint of Langri Tangpa anyway. (DT) Emptiness. (DT) Emptiness on our life. (DT) Our daily activity. (DT) Ok. So, as we did yesterday. As you did yesterday, in the conclusion. Oh. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. And then you pray for the Lama Amitabha at this moment. Lama Amitabha for; see the true nature. Solve the mystery of life. (DT) Then you see the true nature, you see the; solve the mystery of life. That’s what it is. (DT) Ok? So, then light and liquid comes from the body of Lama Amitayus. (DT) Amitabha. Sorry. (DT) Washed away all negativity in general. (DT) And particularly self-cherishing. Selfish thoughts. (DT) And the blessings filled up. The blessings is the nectars filled up your body completely. (DT) Rejuvenate your life, lack knowledge. (DT) Particularly develop the two types of the bodhimind. (DT) Thus we have completed the actual. Out of the three outlines, the actual completed. (DT) The second one. (DT)

0:42:00.9 And third one is Lama Amitabha, transformed as Lama Amitayus. (DT) Ok? And dissolve to yourself. (DT) And those of you who have obtained initiations, you become Amitayus. (DT) And those who have not obtained initiations, you remain as yourself, but you have obtained the blessings of Lama Amitabha and tayus. (DT) The changing of the lama here is extremely easy. (DT) You may think, “How can it be?” It was Amitabha, then it become Amitayus. What is going on? (DT) That is the nature of emptiness. It can become Yamantaka. It can become Vajrayogini. It can become Shakyamuni. It can become Amitabha. It can become Amitayus. It can become Avalokiteshvara. You name it. Anyone. (DT) Because it is nature of emptiness. (DT) So, that’s true. (DT) I’m not joking. (DT) So, that’s why it’s easy to change. (DT) It can. Yeah. Ok. It can become a male. It can become a female. (DT) Because it’s the union. (DT) Ok. That union-ness. That union-ness .(DT) Is. That union is. There’s a chair there. There’s a chair there. There’s a chair there. That. (laughs) That union-ness. Ok. I want to say something. That union-ness. (DT) Is not a neutral state. (DT) Ok. Number of people will say, “Oh. Enlightenment is neutral. “ (DT)

0:45:02.2 Neither male nor female. (DT) That’s not right. (DT) When it is male, it is proper male. (DT) And when it is female, it is the real female. (DT) Ok? Whether it is Tara or Vajrayogini or some, it’s really female. (DT) It is not half male or half woman, you know. Or neither. Neither. They call it. Neither male nor, (DT) That’s not right. (DT) That’s not right. So, the never think enlightenment is “neither this or nor that or in between. “ (DT) It is the union quality within itself. (DT) Ok. And then people misunderstand quality combined and then they say, “Oh, yeah. Half male and half female, but joined up there.” So, it becomes some kind of new creation of bapple or papple or something. You know this apple and. Banana. Apple and banana joined together is called bapple. (DT) You know who created bapple? The kibbutz in Israel. (DT) They put a banana and apple together. (DT) Call banapple or bapple or something Bapple. So, neither banana, nor apple. That wouldn’t work. It’s become fruit of its own. That’s fine. But don’t think of enlightened in that way. (DT) And a lot of people think it’s sort of combination of it and neither male nor female. It’s some kind of funny useless up there, you know. That’s also not right. I get the image of funny useless.

0:48:03.4 Translator: Funny useless?

GR: Funny

Translator: Yeah.

GR: And useless.

Translator: It’s not that.

GR: For sure. They’re all useful. Yamantaka is Yamantaka. Vajrayogini is Vajrayogini. They’re all useful. (laughs)

Translator: And they’re not funny

GR: Huh?

Translator: And they’re not funny.

GR: Well, yeah. That’s right. (DT) Anyway. Anyway. So. So. Oh, yeah. Then. Then becomes Amitabha. No. Amitayus. And then you have this 0:49:00.9 (Tibetan) So, don’t ask me what is the meaning of (Tibetan:..) I don’t remember a word now. (DT) Then the dedication. (DT) The dedication here is because of this activity. This virtuous activity. Whatever we did. I and all beings may have, “Jang chub sem cho” This, I think Jewel Heart people should say. 0:49:45.1 (?) Jang Chub Sem cho Rimpoche ma kye pa nam kye gyur chig. Kye pa nyam pa ney pa yang. Gong nay gong du pel war shog. “ I think you should include it in your normal prayer book. You know? (DT) The precious bodhimind, which has not grown, may grow. (DT) And those who have grown may not decreased. (DT) And not only that. (DT) Not only not decrease, it may be increased. It’s available somewhere there. Do we have here?

Marianne: Yeah, it’s in our normal prayer books

GR: It is in. (DT) So. So, what mean is you really dedicate for everybody to obtain enlightenment and particularly growing the bodhimind.

Translator: Rimpoche, is it possible the bodhimind decreases?

GR: Yes. Definitely possible.

0:51:02.8 Translator: But then, cutting the negativities is the only thing which is permanent, is it? How come?

GR: I didn’t say it is permanent, did I?

Translator: I think. I think you did.

GR: I don’t recall

Translator: But then my question is, what is permanent. What is permanent in development?

GR: That’s good question. Good question.

Translator: Are you going to answer it?

GR: I don’t think so.

Translator: Alright.

GR: You know why?

Translator: Why?

GR: You know why? Bodhimind decreases possible. Because when you look at those five paths. Five bodhisattva paths. Path of accumulation. Path of merit. Path of seeing. Path of meditation. And path of no more learning. These are the five bodhisattva paths, right? So, the level of the path of accumulator of merit. Merit. You can lose bodhimind. In the level of the path. They’re also divided into three. The small level, medium level and highest level. So, these are the level of the. Level of the path of accumulation of merit. And here you can lose. And when you come in the path of action. Path of action. It’s been divided into four categories. Immune system for. Immune system for negativities. Or falling into the lower realms. It be only getting at the second point of the second path. Thereafter, whether it’s permanent or not, you don’t lose to the negativity. There’s no fallback. That doesn’t mean it’s permanent. It’s impermanent. But doesn’t change from yes to no. It change within the yes itself. So, I wonder when I said, “it’s permanent.” How can I say that? So, I said, “I don’t recall.” Oh. Yeah. Ok.

0:53:50.0 (DT)

0:55:22.3 Actually the five paths and ten Bhumis. There’s a very nice chart in the Dagyab Rimpoche’s book. Old. The first book what Dagyab Rimpoche wrote. Yeah. It was. Actually one of our teachers in 0:55:48.9 Mirkwood (??), He would make the charts available. And so. So, maybe they didn’t put it in German. Or just left it there. Decided maybe. It’s not even. Not even in.

(Dutch)

GR: Ok.

(Dutch)

GR: Ok. So, anyway. If you study that, it will be very useful. And when you make it available because that we see how the five paths and ten Bhumis and even there’s a path of Theravadin level. And five paths of Mahayana level. We. We just did a teaching on the five paths in Ann Arbor. For begin with the “Gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi soha” And it just now ended. So, we sort of did it twice. One on the basis of “gate gate” and another as five paths, we did. So. Huh?

Marianne: 0:56:53.3 ??sometime?

GR: We did. We provided another small chart. But that chart is no comparison with the chart which Dagyab Rimpoche’s in the book.

0:57:06.4 So, that little chart is. Little chart is available. But that is 0:57:11.6 Kadampa’s (?) chart. And you can get them from Kathy. Ask her to fax you. So, it’s better to fax you. If you ask her to send you, you’ll never get it. Fax will be come. Ok? (DT) Ok. We’ll take a break. We’ll come back and spend some question and answers and things like that. (DT) (break)

We should devote the time now and if you have any questions. Because I’m sure yesterday, the questions are bubbling. But today they might have subdued. But. I didn’t clarify enough to avoid when this is. (DT) I know your questions pending, but you can wait. Just joking. (DT) Yeah. Marilyn 0:59:17.6 McKessus. (?)

Marilyn. Technical. Yesterday you said how Lama Amitabha changed into Lama Amitayus. Can you repeat what going, is changing? The color of his body is changing. He has the face and.

GR: Amitayus normally is a red color. Amitabha’s also red color. It’s ok. But sometimes you see the Amitayus in gold color too. So. So, just the thought came and my mouth, tongue moves faster than my thoughts yesterday.

1:00:01.7 So, I said, “Red into gold. And while it’s ok, you can leave it the (?) red.” So, that’s what it is. Only the difference look is the. The life vase. Amitayus has life vase and Amitabha doesn’t have life vase. That’s all

Translator: He doesn’t have what?

GR: Life vase. Jacket that you wear to protect you. You know? (laughs) Kidding you. Life vest. Vase. Pot. Life pot

Translator: Yeah. But does he have it in his.

GR: That’s what mean life vase

Translator: And Amitayus has it?

GR: Amitabha has begging bowl. (DT)

Audience: (indistinguishable)

GR: White. Yeah. Of course. But. The Amitayus are the sambhogakaya style. And Amitabha is nirmanakaya style. You have that for sure. But. People don’t think that detail in the cloth and all this. The painters will. But the artist will. (Laughs) I don’t think people will think that detail. Some kind of little red bodies and little red piece up there. Even you think the hand is red begging bowls white. Quite good thinking. (DT)

Audience: (Dutch) What is the difference in quality between Lama Amitabha and Lama Amitayus? Why does it change?

GR: Specialization. Amitayus is supposed to be longevity specialization. And Amitabha is Amitabha.

1:03:02.0 (?) Emituo fo they say in Chinese. (DT) What I did today. The Langri Tangpa’s eight verses. Because you probably need to know. The sort of commentary by the Ngulchu Dharmabhadra. Because I’m sure you will also transcribe. So Ngulchu is N G U L C H U Dharmabhadra. Ngulchu Dharmabhadra’s commentary on the Eight Verses of Langri Tangpa. And as well as Langri Tangpa’s Eight verse, along with prayer by, who’s this? I forget the person’s name. 1:04:31.5 Chan nga pa. Chan nga pa. Chan nga pa. It is Chan C H A N nga N G A pa PA. Chan. If you really want the Tibetan spelling it is S B Y A N. So Sbyan that way. So, on this two basis. And three basis. And the third one. The fourth one, of course, the English translation of the thought transformation in eight stanzas. So. We have done that. On this basis. Teachings because probably wanted to know. Then in top of that. In between the; in between the exchange level of dialog between the.

Translator: Self-cherishing thoughts.

GR: Self-cherishing thoughts and usual thoughts. I took it out the short note by Gungthang Konchog Tonpai Donme Gungthang is G U N G T H A N G

1:06:00.6 Konchog Tonpai Donme K O N C H O G Tonpai Donme. T O N P A I Donme D O N M E. So, Gungthang Konchog Tonpai Donme. So, what I did bring out from the Gungthang is the dialog between the self-cherishing and the self on the subject of equanimity. Equality between self and others. I don’t think I did the exchange itself, did I? I don’t think I did it. So. So, this is what you have heard and covered so far. So, they might not have to be translated because it’s more to benefit the transcription. But the text probably you have to say about it. I’ve been too long. Little too long.

Translator: It’s ok

GR: Ok. Thank you. (DT)

Audience: I was wondering is, when we talk about giving the victory to others.

GR: Giving what?

Audience: Giving the victory

GR: Others. Yeah.

Audience: And cherishing others. Yeah, I mean, it could involve, 1:07:48.4 completely (?). Seeing others as. Where would be to draw the line for that behavior. For example if you were active in any, let’s say environmental groups or somewhere where it got political. (??) Where you have. Where you want to push something through. Or for example, if you indicate children. So, if you would put (???) on this. So, there are situations where you, you know, where you have to behave differently. For educational reasons or to defend human rights or whatsoever. So, I was wondering.

GR: Well as long as 1:08:32.5 (?) pattern is ok.

Translator: I didn’t get the answer

GR: Good. (laughs) He got it. (DT)

1:09:20.5 GR: The answer. I’m not even sure whether I have an answer for that. Many of those, kadampa lamas way of talking and presenting. Many of them are for us in prayer form rather than really, in action form. (DT) I looked a number of commentaries on this Langri Tangpa’s eight verses before I came here. I looked. Number of them, by different scholars, by different, different teachers. So, I found these two. The Ngulchu and Chan ngapa. Found the most convenient and easy and not too long and confirmed. But both of them in the prayer form. I mean they’re all turn into prayer form. Both of them praying. So, practically in this, our level, I think we really pray for that. And so, we don’t draw the line there much. But on the other hand. On the other hand. Basically, the balancing of the commitment, You know there’s a traditional answer there. There’s always traditional answer for this. Traditional answer will say, you’ll go all the way out. But don’t have idiotic compassion. So, this is traditional answer. So. In other words. Don’t draw much line. So, but the point is. The point is, you have to use a lot of common sense. Basically, common sense and don’t be. Don’t be stubborn and don’t have idiotic compassion. A lot of times the idiotic compassion will hold you back. A lot of time the stubbornness holds people back. So, for me. It’s always try to find that whether I’ve been stubborn or not.

1:12:08.4 But the more you become older, the more you become stubborn. And at the same time basically if you have. If you’ve been stubborn person, it becomes even worse. Year by year. And. A delicate learning between the right of suggestion and right of pushy and the right of other person’s acceptance. Always you have to find the delicate way of picking that up. Nothing is very similar to that. Did you get it?

Translator: I’ll try

GR: Thank you. You know it is a. It’s very simple. Like a normal everyday life. And everyday life, you also would like to, to see that your near dear, you care. You want to see them do a certain right way. But then you do have limitations. How much you can push and where you draw the line. Because if you don’t. If you try to be insistent. And be very stubborn. Then, it’s not right. So, I think the same thing you have to apply here too. 1:14:04.1 (DT)

1:15:28.9 Political parties. They have their own agendas. (DT) And they have their own purpose. And sometimes the agendas exceed the purpose. (DT) And so. So, that’s why you draw the line. (DT) They said, the practice of the individual is to avoid negativities. And negativities are the action that are caused by the negative thoughts. And then sometimes people say, “I don’t recognize negativity. What is negativity?” (DT) Basically, action whether you have, it is physical or mental or verbal, by sound, by mouth. Mumbling. Verbal action. Influence by the negative thought such as anger, jealousy or doubt even sometimes. (DT)

1:18:11.8 So, indulging, causing harm or hurt. Harm or hurt or pain. Or thinking of causing pain to other beings are basically recognized as a negative action. (DT) Traditional teachings will basically tell you, like ten negativities. Such as three by mind, four by speech, three by body. Very similar to the western idea of ten commandment type of thing. (DT)

Translator: Four of speech? Is it four?

GR: (DT) But the bottom line is, it is influenced by the negative emotions. (DT) And aim at causing pain. You know sometimes, even you sit over there and you don’t do anything. You keep on thinking, “Well, someday something should happen and they should feel the pain and then they should come back and say, how best can be done.” You know? You know, like children. You care your children so much. And sometimes you sit there. You keep on telling them. They don’t listen. You sit there. Well, if they’re hurt a little bit, it’s good, because then they will learn it. You know? And that may be negative thought. (DT)

1:21:03.3 I don’t want to see them hurt. I don’t want to do any harming to them, but a little bit of a pinch will be good. You know? (laughs) (DT) And this sort of thing could be negative thought. So, (DT) So, your question is right. It is very hard to distinguish what is a negativity and what is positive. It’s not only one or two individual, but I think everybody has the problem. (DT) But basically, if it’s causing pain to the others and thought influenced by the negative emotions. And sort of draw a line on that. Sort of, not definitely, but sort of draw line on that. (DT) It ok?

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: Idiotic compassion.

Audience; (Dutch)

Translator: She doesn’t understand about this having too much compassion. The idiot compassion and your answer to.

GR: It’s not too much compassion. It’s idiot compassion. (DT) Idiotic in the sense, you don’t know where you draw the line. (DT) It is hard to clarify, but. But without seeing bigger picture sometimes when you try to. You see a little bit of some portion. Some one side portion. And you will totally fail, fall for that. And go out of the way to comfort or protect or doing things.

1:24:05.5 is probably example of idiotic compassion. (DT) Sometimes, let’s say people, somebody committed a crime. And the person is chasing away by. Oh, let’s say somebody committed murder. The person. The person is chasing away by the police or whatever, law enforcement. And they’ll comes to you. The person comes to you and says, “Well, I’ve done nothing wrong, but they’re really giving trouble.” Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And give you tremendous amount of picture and then you just simply buy and try to protect the person. It will be idiotic compassionate. Because you’ve been idiot. You don’t understand. You’ve been cheated and then you show the compassion. And that is one example of idiot compassion. (DT) Another idiotic compassion is, that you will see suffering, true genuine suffering. But it is beyond your control. Beyond your help. You can do nothing about it. Neither you have time, nor you have energy, nor you have money, nor you have ways and means of doing it. But still, you go and take responsibility, knowingly and cutting the line on your own capability.

1:27:01.2 There’s a two point. There’s a very delicate point, but mostly incapable of handling, try to handle. Will, due to the compassion, causing harm and difficult to yourself will be the idiotic, another point of idiotic compassion. (DT) It’s compassion but it’s idiot. Basically, I get. This funny thing came on my thought just now. Just say somebody who doesn’t know how to handle a machine or mechanical whatever. Boiler or something. And but somebody have trouble with the boiler, and you go out of your compassion and try to handle. You don’t know what you’re doing. And you blew it, yourself. And you blow the boiler up. Everybody will say, idiot. And no one will say compassionate. Right? (DT) So, that tells you, when you have, it’s gone beyond your capacity, Beyond your limit. If you try to do it, without. Without knowing what you are doing or without ways and means of doing it. So, probably fall under the line of idiot compassion because this boiler give us a clear picture. (DT)

1:30:26.4 Audience: The other day you were talking about going parallel in the material development and the spiritual development.

GR: Why don’t you speak in German and German and then let her translate? I’m just joking.

Audience; I thought she might miss the point

Translator: It’s ok with me.

Audience: So. Yeah. Now I lost.

GR: You say parallel. Paralell for material and spiritual path.

Audience: Right. Yeah. Maybe you can elaborate a little more on that. When you say, try to be normal person, in the sense of doing what everybody’s doing. And I just wonder for myself if sometimes, I look back, maybe five years ago, I was 1:31:39.4 immigrating (?) to Holland and Germany. I didn’t need the money. My life was, you know, very easier without being too

GR: Now he’s going to blame me

Audience; So, now I have family and job. I see there are 1:32:02.9 (?) some restrictions around. And I have to work for money. I have to have a car because I have to run a business. I have to stock on materials. So, I think, you know (??), which restricts me, which gives me obligations and in a way, peace of mind is not anymore that peaceful

GR: That’s alright. (???)

Audience: And just before I was home with 1:32:37.6 Cal(?), when he is now a child. And when they want to attend the teachings, they have to see who is going and who is staying. So, life is anymore not that easy. So, I was wondering maybe elaborate a little bit on that point. Trying to go on the material a little. I mean to me. I’m wondering, in how far one has to cross that (???) or Can? There’s also a line where I sometimes think where’s the line to drawn and how much should I go into business or whatsoever. And it’s. It can be a subtle distinction.

GR: What did say? (DT)