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032 but in the essence the Foundation of the Perfection is really a very shorter version perhaps the shortest version Lam Rim or Odyssey to Freedom it is almost the very same thing so what we did is we review the text and we talk verse by verse and so I do not even know where we are do you know okay what is it

audience: understanding that this most certainly is true may I discard every level of wrong and generate an infinite mass of goodness empower me to be thus continually aware

Rimpoche: understanding this certainly true what did they say before that

audience: they said, I must remember that death is quick to strike139

Lifespan and warnings in the Northern and Southern Continent

Oh that’’s right (he speaks Tibetan) okay so actually in Tibetan verses are joined in English they cut it into two separate verses right in Tibetan it is joined right in English it is been cut into two separate pieces because of the length of the language I believe whatever the reason is who knows you know like last Tuesday I had great deal of difficulty to somebody’’s asking questions I could never figure out what it is it happens to be the English text they been printed there is an extra capital T and that made me and everybody a little confused so anyway so what we talked before and said our life though we take it granted it is here it is there it is going to be forever and it’’s like that and then all of a suddenly all of the suddenly something goes wrong right? And that is the reality. There is no sort of a pre-announcement of a saying unless unless you are born in certain kind of northern continent they call it it is the Hindu Buddhist mythological point of view or maybe not mythological maybe it is reality who knows but they divided the universe of existence in like four directions the East the South the North and West and then in the center they call it Mount Meru that is what the traditional Buddhist texts will tell you so we are all all of us supposed to be in the southern continent we call it (Jumbodehbas?) some people will say well India is the southern continent and America is the northern continent there may be truth in that to certain extent but I think the reality is we are all in the southern continent there is a truth in it I say it why because (Basubandu?) had mentioned in his (Abidamakorsha?) or the metaphysical text he said the difference between these southern and northern is (he speaks Tibetan) saying that whenever it is the middle of the night it is the middle of the day and when the sun rises the sun sets which becomes America and India exactly almost exactly two hours two and a half hour difference for China it is exact thing you know so because of that point you may say there’’s a truth in it however I don’’t think we are so we are all belong to the southern continent but in the northern continent if you belong to the people’’s age are fixed for one thousand years life so we are not and also there is some announcement comes from somewhere it may be you know announcement comes somewhere from the air and so and so it’’s going to be sick within so and so days and so and so going to be die within certain period you get that announcement that is northern continent and it’’s been a thousand years so we are not in there so I don’’t think we are on the northern continent (?) so they do have some kind of announcement coming a warning right? We don’’t get warning we do but we don’’t recognize we do now our hair getting a little bit gray extra glasses maybe not extra but the glasses we wear or hearing aids even a little additional makeups I think these are the signs of signals but we don’’t we don’’t sort of we neither we recognize nor we I don’’t know we ignore them until it becomes something painful something we cannot handle and something suddenly something popped up and then then you know then you say oh yeah it’’s a fatal disease or something and then that’’s how we go710

Even on the deathbed we will deny death will come today

To many cases because there is no certainty it is all of a suddenly it happens and the idea of not going to happen to me not now not at this moment we all have it all the time we have it the earlier teachers used to say I will not die today I will not die today as such a mind is with everybody including the person who is on the deathbed eleventh hour even then they think today is okay very common for us we go and visit people in hospital.820

We all know the person is going that person knows but they will talk about who is coming to see me next week next weekend right so I believe that is very important point for us to remember why it is important (Rimpoche talks to an audience member) What happened to your foot?

Audience member: (?)

Rimpoche: how it happened

audience member: I was playing squash during the warm-up and I pulled these tendons (?)

Rimpoche: did you get any warnings (audience laughs) that you’’re going to pull your tendon no okay see that is what we have been talking here right this moment

audience member: it was like a rubber band snapping

Rimpoche: okay big surprise like a rubber band snapping that’’s what he says so that’’s exactly any of our troubles doesn’’t come with a warning particularly death doesn’’t come with a warning so you never know when it is going to come truly you know we all do we go to see doctor we check up with the doctor the doctor says you are absolutely fine then we say oh I’’m fine okay but who knows the doctor says you’’re fine okay you come and drive a good car and you get a crash (Rimpoche laughs) all of this happens because this is our life in this continent what I’’m talking about I’’m not talking about America don’’t think about it I’’m talking about this mythological point of continent okay that is southern continent so that is the reality so we talked the death the other day and then want to talk more about the death tonight particularly it is my last night here before I go to Europe so I do want to talk about the death too much here (audience laughs) so don’’t want to die we want we come back and meet everybody with a big smile with everybody (Rimpoche laughs) that’’s why anyway so I talked the other day and so you have that available and also there a lot of transcripts available and also that what I did about this dying stage and death I talked in that art of the dying conference and when I’’m thinking back I thought I did quite a good job there so maybe you will have the transcripts available soon so you can read that but one thing no matter whatever happens we are going to die there will be no one left the other day I also talked remember we discuss and even cloning and all this we talked and I’’m sure it’’s all possible but I’’m also quite certain and that’’s not going to be you it somebody else there are a number of people think my future is my children my children is my future a number of people think that because of the gene there are a number of people who thinks that we know very well your children is your children is not you your son is your son your daughter is your daughter is not you and I’’m sure the clone going to be the same thing though we created it for harvesting the organs you may create but under such a condition what is bound to happen is another consciousness will occupy that I mean it is for me it is ninety nine point.nine percent sure I can’’t say hundred percent because I’’m not a scientist I’’m not Buddha neither I’’m a scientist nor I am Buddha so I can’’t say but ninety nine point nine percent I am sure they’’ll be another consciousness will occupy that even it’’s a retarded one whatever it may be worse than retarded one whatever may be there may be a consciousness involved so it’’s not going to be you continuing in that manner because you’’re still alive and we don’’t have the capacity to be able to occupy two bodies together our mind is not capable yet so the death is definite when it is going to come who knows then the question really what the Buddha emphasize us is what will help me at that time I think that is the spiritual person’’s question what will help me at that time the way Buddha presented the way Buddha showed us he will discard now first thing we take up the money the house the companion the wealth all of those the insurance the life insurance all of those and when you deal each one of them they are not going to help us at all by the time when you die somebody else will catch our life insurance policy not me1557

My companions and the family and friends and teachers and students and all of them will try to help the best they could they are limited they are limited they probably best time but you can do nothing doctors will try to help you best both east and west and what ever ayurvedic, homeopathic, allopathic, whatever all of them will try to do their best but the complications will rise they can do nothing Buddha himself had said at the time of the death when you really have to die no matter he said medicine Buddha came in life and give you the medical treatment and long life Buddha will come and give you a long power empowerment or whatever and the Vajrapani comes and protect all the obstacles and Tara comes and helps in between whatever is needed even death the person is going to go so that’’s was Buddha went out of the way giving that much example so what does that telling us death is definite you go one day and very often I said this death is nothing other than the separation of our physical body which I call it physical identity or physical that genes whatever we have and the mind either you call mental identity or mental gene separation is called death nothing more than that nothing less than that that’’s what it is so what happens we talked all that time how you go through what had happened what we’’ll do all of them we talked but what’’s going to help and what’’s going to harm for us we are out of our physical body and I told you we get in touch almost get in touch with our original (selves or source?) that is encountering with our primordial mind many of you have heard you understand what I’’m talking about it you get in touch with your originally where you have come from the primordial mind and then you re-pop up everything’’s begin to take shape again you touch with you primordial mind at a very very subtle mental level no physical very very subtle mental level you are going to bounce back in that process we carry nothing except our responsibilities that we call it karma or (Rimpoche takes a moment to speak to an audience member) we carry nothing except our responsibilities where did we get our responsibilities our responsibilities are followed by our deeds well in life or even life before that’’s the responsibilities all about it because of our action then you get reactions as simple as that which in other words you may call it karma anyway whatever our actions are positive or negative they will just follow our self like a shadow follows the body I can see the shadow here because I got my hand up there right you can see shadow quite okay2220

so just like that when my hand moved the shadow comes whatever I do the shadow will work see exactly it works so that’’s exactly what it is a karma functions in that way so when we wanted to be good and happy and peaceful and free of suffering that’’s in our hands right now we don’’t have a control of what’’s happening with me today but we do have control of what’’s going to happen with us tomorrow2315

this is very strange we create we do everything and then we lose the control what happens is it’’s gone into the process when it’’s gone into the process then we don’’t have control even the Buddha can’’t control when the karmic started functioning its own result even a Buddha cannot stop or cannot control that much karma is powerful before it started functioning we can do everything we can reshape we can neutralize we can increase we can decrease everything we even try to cancel it we could but once it started functioning virtually you can do nothing I believe and that’’s why karma is powerful important the definite so no one can have a karmic result if we did not create it no one can have it and if we created we will go through I believe that’’s called responsibility did I confuse you completely? No oh good okay that I believe is really called karma if we can make a karma is very mystical some kind of mystery hide behind and we can do that or you can bring them down look around look up look down look from the sides and you can really know very simple way that is what karma really is so whatever we do the do when I say do mental physical emotional all of them not only physical even mental emotional all of them creates karma good or bad whatever we do today whatever we do more or less you create karma perhaps they’’ll be no action that will not create karma for us2641

Even going to go to our usual visiting our usual throne if you face the right direction or wrong direction whatever even then we create the karma every single action not only that every single thoughts creates it is really when you’’re going into this detail it becomes so I don’’t know so strange it maintains a tremendous amount of record everything whatever you do it maintains its record remember Nixon maintained all his tapes and got into trouble remember (Rimpoche laughs) and karma is even worse they record all our thoughts motivations manipulations and compassion everything they much worse than what Nixon went through so that’’s karmic I don’’t like to say karmic record it is that is the closest thing they talk to you is body and shadow that’’s what it is so you know one way our life is so great so wonderful we have a great opportunity to end the suffering once for all because of karma on the other hand we also have a tremendous dangers of creating suffering because of karma when you begin to understand the karma when you begin to live your life according to the karmic I don’’t know I don’’t want to say karmic rule for sure but because of the convenience of our self in accordance to the karmic functioning I believe it is the beginning of the people who are really practicing spiritual path or Dharma that is the beginning not simply going to a temple chanting burning a (?) stick or even saying (he speaks in Pali?) that is the other part in the sanskrit it is Namo Buddhaya, Namo Dharmaya right in Pali they tell you (he speaks Pali) then they say (he speaks Pali) second time third time that is what it is (he speak Pali) so it is the same thing really so even we say that only a second time and third time but even you say one second million time even then we might not be really working the spiritual path might not have begin with us I really think the spiritual path the begin to follow within the individual when you begin to know the karma and when you are begin to pay attention with your own responsibilities with the karmic is possibility I think that is the beginning of the entry in spiritual path in absolutely talking about it until then whatever you do (he speaks Tibetan) or whatever you say Namo Buddhaya, Namo Dharmaya, Namo Sangaya if a million times you have a benefit of saying it if you say Om Mani Peme Hum two million times or whatever you have a benefit of saying it but you might not really have entered in the spiritual path it is interesting think about it excuse me I’’m putting my feet up (Rimpoche laughs) you know why the Dharma the word Dharma in Sanskrit I don’’t know what that means I have no idea I don’’t know I don’’t speak Sanskrit but the translation what they correction a change correction in Tibetan is called the Cho that is a C H O with Umlah on it CHO. which is the past tense of CHO (Rimpoche laughs) I’’m taking you up and down right actually the CHO is the highest tune and the CHO will be the tune below that a number of people tells people tells there’’s no tune in Tibetan they do3407

You know really CHO CHO CHO we have tunes like this tunes there so the number one tune is the real and the number two tune which we call it CHO which is the Dharma is the past tense of the one CHO so I make you more confused right anyway what does that mean corrected correction change correction correct what3440

correct from our negative addictions to a positive way of functioning are you with me that is CHO truly so the spiritual path is really begin here because you’’re changing from your negative addiction mental physical emotional if your emotional state is such an anger state angry person get angry all the time you have difficult to understand me? Okay so then try to change that being angry to a compassionate one a patient one at least don’’t make that anger builds up by more irritation nervous and (?) and jealousy and what else there there are more many of those emotions comes together and force them up and down so don’’t do it switch them try to change them into form of compassion sometimes the attitude of Madame positive is not necessarily bad (Rimpoche laughs) sometimes it’’s also a little difficult but it is not bad so you are changing from that you know from that anger which will rebuild up reinforced by fear jealousy you know all kinds of things there’’s no certain reason that anything ever possible will pop up to make your anger strong that’’s because we are addicted to it it automatically comes up so when you’’re looking into the karma and when you seeing the responsibility of yourself then you change that try to change the anger into even you can’’t change the anger itself into a compassion but try to have a compassion or even love even ordinary even the attachment to certain extent then use it in the proper way reduces anger I mean there’’s no proper way but if you use the wisely it reduces anger so in other words it’’s your mind is trying not to be totally influenced by that anger and try to switch it around and then you’’ll begin to work with the Dharma spiritually anger I’’m just giving you as an example same thing with the jealousy same thing with the attachment same thing with the hatred so everything the true spiritual practitioner the Buddha talked about it it is begin here we might have opened Vajrayana initiations we might have might have started (?) retreat might have done all kind of things and if that’’s not affected we are still a not true Dharma practitioner you maybe meditating for fifteen twenty thirty years still you are truly not a Dharma practitioner I mean you can’’t say that you know if you would you get upset what have I been doing for thirty years or something you know but the reality the Dharma practice really begins here and that is the beginning of I’’m watching myself that is the beginning of I’’m helping myself that’’s what it is4016

In our level we can’’t talk about this magical mystical all this I’’m not that’’s why I say in our level because were not capable of handling so in our level the best practice the top-level practice of Dharma truly is this in our level best transformation is of the negativity is this in our level best way of helping our self is this and when you can help yourself you can begin to help the others the way and how you helped yourself that is Buddha Dharma is all about that nothing more nothing less if you’’re looking for some scholars then they can tell you blah blah blah all kinds of things that is a different story the true way how one helps onself is this. And that is why I make a joke if you sit too long sitting thinking nothing I just make joke saying lizard meditation4205

Actual Dharma practice begins with watching yourself and being responsible for what you do

And all that type of thing is all because of this or you keep on chanting the same thing say Om mani peme hum blah blah blah blah all kind of the mantra blah blah blah blah blah for twenty four hours a day some people do that particularly in old Tibet people carrying mala around and moving the money around not the money the muni Om Mani Peme hum om muni moving the money around and doing all kinds of things all day but if you’’re not thinking if you’’re not watching yourself if you’’re not correcting your own negative emotions you are not dealing seriously no you’’re not you may burn a million Jo sticks you may do a hundred thousand ching ching chings you know what I mean so that’’s it so true Dharma practitioner the true person who wanted to help the true spiritual person is begins here this is the beginning I mean even ourselves look we have the whole Gandem La Gyema right there are the six preliminaries and mantra and Miksema and all of this we’’ve done right and even we have the guru yoga and the appreciation of life and death and impermanence and all of them but Dharma really begins here even ourselves we have all a them there Dharma begins here this is the beginning of helping ourselves seeing our own faults and correcting it be responsible that’’s what it is being responsible

and that’’s the best they described because they said it follows like a shadow like body so when you really realize that what you do help yourself the discard the things you do which may create suffering you know a lot of people will worry about it oh I have only created so many things good and wonderful you worry about it but I don’’t want to bother much myself what I would like to see is no more creation I think that is important and then if you stop that new creation then whatever is old there we can purify and get rid of even if we cannot purify even if we sort of pay a little bit out of that even there’’s time it can be completely finished if we cannot stop the new creation no matter how many times you go on the purifying the old one you making a new one constantly continuously there will be no end to it I believe that’’s how we contact our life in this principle what we don’’t want it is negativity when we say negativity it looks funny (?) Something but really negativity is coming.....(silence on tape) the water correct wow I thought we going to have music coming out (Rimpoche talks the audience for a moment) that’’s what it is so that’’s why this word (he speaks Tibetan) can I borrow your book on this I would like to yeah that’’s whatever whatever we doing that one if I can read it which one is it now understanding that this most certainly is true may I discard every level of wrong and generate an infinite mass of goodness that’’s the reason why it’’s not that god is going to punish you it’’s not that you’’re supposed to get you know somebody not going to punish you it’’s not that it is that normal process that takes place I mean absolutely you know when we are born then we are going to grow up and then grow up grow up become old it’’s a normal process that’’s not punishment nobody is punishing us to be old or to be grown it is not likewise all this are process because we created the cause we create it so we go through with it4947

it’’s very interesting usual teachings at this level they will tell you there was five hundred women who had obtained Arhat level meaning they liberated and living in one big palace that is during the Buddha’’s lifetime the story was told and the Buddha says this is what happened so they’’re living they are all Arhats and one of them happens to be an attendant or servant or something one old lady the name they call it (?) which means somehow crooked one somebody must be round and sort of bend down and crooked one that sort of nickname for that woman she is the only person who had not obtained the Arhat level. 5100

So there’’s a huge fire suddenly takes place and the whole building was burning all of a suddenly so these four hundred ninety nine women float in the air because they have that spiritual power they just went out and float in the air and this one could not float or anything what she did is she jumped in the toilet she jumped in the toilet yes really true and these five hundred women they try to fly they were up in the air they try to go far away they can’’t they started pulling down and one of their leaders says if we do not honor our own karma who else will honor so they all started jumping one after another in the fire and they all died and this one got through and through the toilet so managed to get out of the fire so it is that’’s how it is even late not that lately but I think it’’s about the early seventeenth century there were two Tantric colleges in Tibet right the lower Tantric college they have this system of moving from month to month to different monasteries and when they go in the one place they have to go to boat you know this old Tibetan leather boat and they turned upside down very often because they’’re not well balanced or whatever its turned upside down very often and the guru of the monk in that thing in that boat turned upside down there were seven of them you know put their little cushions on the water and sitting cross legged and coming out over the water the all others are sinking and try to do all that and they’’re coming and sitting across the river and the other side the disciplinary person he rests hands like this in this particular lower Tantric rule when you raise this hand like this it means you’’re out you’’re out so he raise his hand this they said the moment he raised hand this all started sinking down one after another all seven of them gone some of them who are struggling saved out so things like that this may be confusing to some people but that’’s what it is I completely forgot that people listening here because when I say hand like this they will not understand anything right how do I say this I am doing this putting two hands together palms up okay putting two hands to palms up it’’s almost saying hey ““bye”” so that’’s what it is there is a number of reasons don’’t ask me why but number of reasons but that’’s what it is so the karma so important no one can alter karma that is the most strongest process that we have within our I create my own karma I am responsible but when the karmic functioning I have no control that’’s what it is so truly if you wanted to that’’s why this Dalai Lama goes on and saying all the time if you want to be nice person warm heart and be good person is more than a being somebody doesn’’t he say that all the time right he does say that and that’’s the bottom line is here that the truly there are a number of people who may not know who may not claim they are Buddhist there are a number of people who does this very well in absolute reality they’’re great Buddhists technically they’’re not Buddhist because they didn’’t take refuge to Buddha Dharma and Sangha technically but in absolute reality they’’re good Buddhists they are good spiritual practitioner even then they don’’t claim to be a person like me who claims to be spiritual teacher who completely ignores this karmic thing is a disgrace okay? That’’s why they give you the shadow as an example I have spend a lot of time here talking because this is the key this is key this is key okay (crowd laughs) so and that’’s what they say (he speaks Tibetan)5726

as much as you can discard a negative can do say wrong thing or something right every level of wrong I said but then who knows what is wrong and what is right that’’s another big question another big question but I’’ll tell you this much for bottom line for ourselves is a very funny you know if you really look at good in bed its relative very often you say you know we have a problem with the Communist China Tibetans so good for the Tibetans will be bad for the Communist China right? Bound to be so than what is right and what is wrong we don’’t know good for me can be bad for you in bed for you the good for me so than what is it where are you going to draw the line of wrong and right that is another big question you have to have some lines drawn otherwise you won’’t know what to do either you begin to ignore going out to do something you don’’t know what to do you know you just sort of sit there like it is frightening to do are wrong thing to do and that’’s why sometimes tries to be too much righteousness is not necessarily good 5929

This is the essence of Buddhism

But if you try to be hurting somebody if you hurt somebody including yourself then it’’s bad you know I know we all know if you are hurting you know you’’re hurting am I say it correctly if you hurt that action is wrong and I like to draw a line on that but even then we cannot do everything correctly not possible but try to do the best we could so the good and bad line is drawn that is my suggestion okay if you have a different way of doing it great but if you’’re hurting someone including yourself the hurting yourself is one of the very important negativities particularly if you are a Vajrayana practitioners if you hurt yourself the down fall is killing a deity if you realize that I don’’t know it’’s like killing a deity so you can’’t hurt yourself you may think oh I’’m a bad no one likes me I’’m horrible I am this blah blah blah I’’m going to be drag myself down blah blah blah and you think it is your right and certainly not! you can’’t hurt yourself as certainly you cannot hurt others we have no right if I don’’t have right to hurt myself how can I have right to hurt anybody else no we don’’t I try to draw a line on this good bad negative positive but then there is a lot of gray area there’’s a tremendous gray area you can’’t have a blanket on it saying this is this this is that so I think you have to go the best way we could discard all wrong doings that’’s what it is so any actions that created by negative emotions such as anger attachment jealousy hatred these actions bound to hurt and any action that you created by love compassion faith of that type have a better chance of not hurting anybody so it’’s not totally not baseless you can judge yourself after all we are educated intelligent human beings even the animals also knows how to judge little bit about it we all seen it all the time so we are capable but there’’s a lot of gray area we have to think that I spend time here because this is important even you can’’t do much even you can’’t do meditate do retreat saying mantras and doing this and doing that and all this even you can’’t do it but if you’’re careful here and you are okay we are all okay thereafter it’’s all techniques this is the key the everything thereafter it’’s all (modes?) of techniques this is key Dharma begins here spiritual path begins here and that is how we can help our self and that is how we can harm ourselves one little line there discard every wrong doing and every what they say? okay generate infinite mass of goodness true I mean little line there that try to give you this total message this is a Dharma this is a spiritual this is practice, this is a total practice this is the essence of Buddhism I mean if you really think very carefully Buddhism or no Buddhism I think this is it the isms are isms really true whatever it may be or Buddhism or whatever Hinduism or whatever the isms are isms10616

two things are isms what is the most important how can I help myself what should I do that is it remember Buddha was asked what is the essence of your teaching he said avoid all the negativities build the positivities as much you can what your mind. So these last words are simply praying because we are not able to do it exactly so we were doing it we are developing that through a prayer form so I may be able to do this so when the bottom line comes to the individuals I think it I think this is something which we can handle this is something which we can manage this is perfectly fit for us and is not so easy and not that difficult and what we gain out of this is tremendous I think we should be able to go beyond isms I believe this is true to almost all human beings even you are you may be Judeo Christian tradition follower, you may be a Muslim follower I don’’t know whatever you might be I think this is true to all and that’’s what I’’m saying we may have to go beyond isms I really think it is so anyway think about it10847

I’’m here to present you the what the Buddha taught and what little I know on the basis of traditional Tibetan Masters writing so I present you it is up to you whatever you do you can throw them and discard them into garbage or have them for consideration or keep them in your heart or make it a principle of your life guidance it is up to you I guess that is it I have nothing more to say about this for tonight about this this is really key think about it you know I didn’’t say sit down and meditate I said think about it okay think about it when you’’re in the train in the subway think about it when you’’re making that noise whatever that was think about it when you’’re having a shower think about it when you’’re working waiting in the parking lot think about it when you’’re waiting in the grocery lines don’’t really have to cut a separate timing called meditation period if it’’s difficult if it’’s not difficult great if it’’s difficult utilize time that way okay so I think you been raising hand and have a question do you really still have it or do you want to discard it okay dear the question is raising here first by Dimitry and then by Herb and then we may have to go to these people who ever they are you know if they have it yes you first Dimitry

audience: my question is in the Lam Rim if says that karma has four qualities and the second you know it was definite fast-growing we will always meet with result of a past action and we never have an experience that’’s not the result of the past action and the second quality that it’’s fast-growing I always took that to mean that like if you kill a bug and you don’’t purify it then at the end of your life you might get squashed by a building or something because its like it has interest that grows and that didn’’t really bother me that much because I figured you would be aware if you did something negative but earlier tonight you were saying that just thinking something like every day on the subway I have almost homicidal thoughts like (audience laughs) like I want to like you know either out of fear or impatience it’’s like someone’’s walking down the street smoking a cigarette in front of you it is very irritating so I’’m constantly having a thought arise in my mind but I don’’t act on it and now I’’m thinking tonight that the second quality of karma being fast-growing might be that even just having a negative thought toward someone and not acting on it over the course of your life or several lifetimes could result in you like being like savagely beaten or (?) how does the fast-growing work is it evenly fast-growing or is there a difference in the way interest accrues (inaudible) (audience laughs)11322

The karma of mental thoughts without action

Rimpoche: well I’’m sure the people may a little frustrated if they don’’t hear your question saying the question is on the fast-growing business particularly in the mental state if you’’re sitting in the subway and get irritated by the person who in front of you smoking cigarette or bothering you so if you’’re thinking of something punching the person and so what that happens this is an interesting question it needs a long explanation long explanation is such yes it is fast-growing yes it can you get you result yes it can crush you in human life and by some kind (?) building fall down yes you can all do that however you have to think what kind of karma you have produced is this a complete karma or incomplete karma so all of this questions are so has to be sorted out is it something bad sure could it get you bad result sure should I try to avoid sure should I try to purify what I have already done sure but then what is it really is is it complete incomplete and all these big questions I think it is too long to talk here tonight and too complicated too apparently it does no action so it is incomplete yes there is a thought there is a motivation there is a desire of punching yes you have created some kind of negative karma did you complete no did you not complete even people you know keep on thinking I’’m going to kill that person I am going to kill you I am going to kill you but until the person dies you’’re not going to have the karma of killing but the karma of having a thought of killing yes so it is very complicated this karmic thing is I told you more complicated than President Nixon’’s records (Rimpoche laughs) really it is complicated each and everyone of them yes did I answer your question you think so a little bit what is missing11614

audience: well incomplete because I didn’’t act on it and I didn’’t feel good about it but I still have that one third of the karma so

Rimpoche: well I didn’’t say one third I said thought there this a negative thought creates its own karmic yes did you have you know one karma involves so many karmas if you want to punch somebody if you punch somebody the punching itself has its own karma and hurting the person gets it more when you’’re satisfied you get more and when you have the desire of punching you have something action thought of hitting action HAH complete so it is like preliminary actual and conclusion so it becomes perfect perfect bad karma so yes right perfect bad karma but when it is missing certain things there particularly missing the action and missing the satisfaction so you do have some kind of negative karma but not complete punching karma maybe it has complete thought of punching karma I thinks that’’s our next (?)

audience: (largely inaudible)

Rimpoche: I didn’’t hear your question you can’’t hurt yourself then what

audience: (largely inaudible something about the self cherishing)

Rimpoche: self cherishing habit to practice Vajrayana which is not possible which is not possible why Vajrayana is based on the ultimate mind of love and compassion Bodhimind at the level of the Bodhimind you have already destroyed self cherishing so it’’s not possible but you may think I cannot hurt you that means I cherish myself you know looking after yourself helping yourself is I don’’t think it is self cherishing what we call it self cherishing bad I don’’t think that is that’’s not at all when you entertaining your ego and you are submitted to your ego’’s demand and I think that is self cherishing and there’’s a big difference between me and my ego I think we spent quite a lot of time talking during the Lojong here so you will see them in there I guess that’’s the difference Deanna?

Another question on karma

Audience: well my question is related to Dimitry’’s and that’’s more in the thought process when you have sort of preconditioned or programmed knee-jerk reactions that are negative emotions like the knee-jerk reaction that flash of anger (?) maybe it comes from conditioning when you were a child or (?) And it comes along with your DNA you have these knee-jerk reactions that can be negative emotions are you creating negative karma even though you catch yourself you see yourself doing it but you have done it.

Rimpoche: I think you do create some negative karma you do no question about it might not be a heavy one the light one yes really true the same thing like a thought of hitting they may hit so it’’s a light one you do you do create because that’’s the responsibility of our actions thought action all of those that’’s why you know like Atisha came to Tibet Atisha says I get downfall like a snowfall all the time so I believe we have that all the time yes we do yes Joan12107

audience: yes building on that if you are struggling with a (?) Nature thing it involves a struggle so that you sort of catching even though you do it you catch yourself do you create any positive karma by

Rimpoche: yes yes yes you also create positive karma (?) (audience laughs) yes very good thought yes you create a negative karma then you catch that you want to correct you create a positive karma it goes there it goes together but that creation of that positive karma catching your bad thought12153

Does not cancel the other karma it does not that is why they give you example of fruit tree jalapeno pepper put them together does not affect each other and that is the reasons why Buddha give you that example because there are two separate karma you have two separate actions two separate responsibilities one doesn’’t cancel the other it doesn’’t become sweet-and-sour chop Suey (Rimpoche laughs) Ah yes lady ah you first sorry

audience: last week you were saying that karmic can neutralize (inaudible)

Rimpoche: what?

Audience: last week you’’re saying the karma can neutralize

Rimpoche: that’’s right I did say that last week I said that karma the negative karma can be neutralized because it is a dependent arise I definitely said it and still say it and because it’’s true because I said so (Rimpoche laughs) that is joke but the reality is karmic result is not in some kind of permanent fixture it all depends on the condition when the conditions are right it happens when the conditions not right it doesn’’t happen even though we have karma we have a karma of you know getting sick or catching cold or having a stomach problem we do but when you don’’t have the condition you won’’t get sick because the condition not there even though there is karma karma cannot materialize because there’’s no condition so when you purify it we purify we do it such a way you’’re making sure the conditions not rise when the condition did not arise and the karmic results cannot materialize that’’s what I said until it’’s materialized we have control the moment it starts materializing process begins we lose control and that is the reality that is still stands there doesn’’t bother me one minute somebody else who say yes yes we do over there

audience: (inaudible) when somebody does something and I get angry I feel the anger mounting and I ( inaudible) so what do I do at that because at the same time I do not want to repress anger so what do I do how do I deal with this anger that is coming up but is not expressed (inaudible)

Rimpoche: the question is when I get angry when somebody said something I get upset so what do I do I don’’t want to suppress the anger what do I do the answer I said I don’’t know what you would do if it’’s me I’’m going to hit my pillow I don’’t know what would you do I have no idea okay you have the question12600

audience: Well would like to go back to the question before that which is so then is thought then an actualized karmic action, its not really

Rimpoche: that’’s why it’’s an incomplete karma but is it capable of giving it is incomplete result yes you can even a killing a human being can purify remember this Ungulimala story nine hundred and ninety nine human beings been killed can be purified there’’s no such a thing which cannot be purified really no such a thing which cannot be purified no matter how heavy it might be and that’’s why I don’’t agree with the news media when they say oh yes have to be punished because he did something wrong you have to punish I don’’t agree with it personally I have a right not to agree right so I don’’t agree with that because who has the right to punish whom I don’’t yes lady over there...

audience: can I my self neutralize or purify negative thoughts by then beyond saying (inaudible) immediately as it arises I know I have done this I don’’t know how successful it is neutralize and cancel

Rimpoche: you just tell them I have canceled you you have been neutralized get out of my way right (Rimpoche laughs)

audience: the positive as well and then sent out to recycled however for the benefit of all I have done this millions of times in the last twenty five years I don’’t know if it does anything but I

Rimpoche: Very good

Audience: there are fewer negative thoughts for me so (?) I have done this over and over and over does it do any good I don’’t know

Rimpoche: (Rimpoche laughs again) the purification part we have separately taught and there is a lot of system of how to purify what kind of power is involved what do you do there is something like basic four powers and all this the separate talks available on that so I would like to refer you to that but your thought of catching your wrong thoughts and correcting it telling them you are canceled is also good I don’’t want to say good enough but I’’ll say it’’s good (Rimpoche laughs) okay so is there anybody else have a question on people on this I mean the maybe not

audience: there are no questions from Ann Arbor

Rimpoche: thank you so I don’’t think anybody else be able to even talk back and forth yet so that’’s what it is so then I’’m going to yes (Rimpoche and audience discuss his upcoming trip to Europe and his wish that others (Marty) will carry on for him in his absence and other schedules) all right thank you here here okay so the workshop is good life good death is here what I’’m going to talk to you about it I’’m going to talk about death and how it is related how do you get a good death people have to die the only thing you have to make sure is it’’s a good one that’’s what you can do so how can you sure how does life and death links that’’s what I am thinking of talking spending time so if you’’re interested and I think it is anybody else not beside you but anybody else who wanted to come I believe is welcome right (they talk more about Jewel Heart business.)