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Soundfile 20010331GRJHNLISOC(4)

Speaker Gelek Rimpoche

Location eg: Netherlands

Topic e.g: Wisdom as

Transcriber Carmela Huang

Date June 25, 2022

Welcome back. [ 0:00:03.4] So now…so Avalokitesvara tells Sariputra – can you read it? [0:00:17.8 – Oh, Sariputra, whatever son or daughter of spiritual family, wishing to engage in the practice of profound transcendent wisdom should look at it like this: analyzing the five aggregates, by nature empty, form is empty, emptiness is form. Emptiness is not other than form. Form is not other than emptiness. In the same way, feeling, discrimination, compositional factors and consciousness are all empty. Therefore, Sariputra, all phenomena are without characteristics. They are neither produced nor ceasing. Not impure, nor free from impurity.] Thank you. So, up to here, when they says, not only the…the form, but feelings and what is it, conception and constit…consciousness and all of them are empty, they are talking about four round. Form is empty, emptiness is form. Um, form is no other than emptiness; emptiness is no other than form. It is four round circle. [0:01:47.1]

These four round are emphasized at the first part and the second part to learn, analyze, think. [0:02:16.7] And then the next level it increases by more…three more points. [0:02:37.6] Three more points are called three pure, uh, three pure doors or something. [0:02:49.2] [Drawers, you said?] Doors – the way go in and out. [Doors?] Doors. The door behind you. [0:03:07.2] Um, that is, um, that is pure doors. Door emptiness, door of no sign, and, um, what is it? [Tibetan - 0:03:27.4] Door of no prayer. [0:03:32.9 – I missed the last one.] No prayer. [0:03:46.2] So that adds up on top of…that’s…now I’m going to go little quick. What’s happening is the form is emptiness, emptiness is form is one level. Then no other than form is another level. Like four…then this level intensifies more because you…then it becomes third path – path of seeing. [0:04:17.7]

So then this verse, if you read it just now, what you’re reading. That’s it. Continuously reading that verse. [Therefore, Sariputra, all phenomena are empty without characteristics. They are neither produced nor ceasing. Not impure, nor free from impurity. Neither decreasing, nor increasing.] That’s right. So, the first one it says no sign – no sign of pure, no sign of impure and all of those. Free of signs. You know signs, signals. [Characteristics.] Yeah, what that said character…okay. [0:05:15.9] Mm…Then goes to path of meditation. At the path of meditation level, that…that is the fourth path. Path of meditation level…while you’re seeing the true nature, you don’t see any relativity at all. [0:05:54.4] Then goes Sariputra de ta wa na tong pa nyi la zug me/ tshor wa me/ du she me/ du je nam me seeing there’s no form, no sense, no feeling, no sense, all of them, plus, um, skandha plus you have, um, five, six sense, plus you have, uh, those, uh, again, what they observe. Again you know these sense observe form, sound, making it round more. And, uh, not only that, the nature of it becomes eighteen of them anyway. [0:06:54.4 – Therefore, Sariputra, in emptiness, there is no form, no feeling, no perception.]

It's okay? [I think so.] Good. So, then not only the form etc. are empty, but all 12 link are totally empty. That is ignorance and creation and all of those type of 12 links are…are totally empty. From ignorance to death – 12 of them. [0:08:02.8] These 12 link – there are two set of 12 link, you see. The first set – because there’s ignorance, there is creation; there is consciousness – name form, etc., etc. – one building it up. [0:08:35.6] These are called negative 12 link [0:08:44.6] which we have. [0:08:50.1] Then the other set is positive 12 link. [0:08:54.5] When you exhausted ignorance, then you don’t have any more creation. When you don’t have any more creation, you don’t have any more consciousness. That is how it’s going to decrease. [0:09:12.4] The decreasing part is the positive and the increasing part is the negative. [0:09:27.6] We…we talked yesterday. Remember – this thing. That’s why we talked here yesterday, you know, because of this reason. [0:09:55.2]

Not only that…not only that, there’s no four noble truth also. [0:10:08.8] Can you read that…[?] kun jung wa dang/ gog pa dang lam/ me ye she me/ thob pa me/ me thob pa yang me do…[First, there is no suffering, no cause of suffering, no cessation of suffering and no path. 0:10:25.5] So, that is now talking not only the fourth path, but at the end of the fourth path, vajra-like meditative level. That’s what they’re talking here. [0:10:49.1] Then, there at the end, they says, mind has no fear and no these things you’re reading there, right. [There is no wisdom, no attainment, no non-attainment is the last part.] There’s no fear, right? [Yeah. Therefore Sariputra, all bodhisattvas hold to transcendent wisdom. And because they have no obscuration of mind, they have no fear. Passing utterly beyond falsity, they reach beyond the bounds of sorrow. All the Buddhas of the three times, by relying on transcendent wisdom fully and clearly awakened to unsurpassed, most perfect and complete enlightenment.] That’s right. So now what they’re talking about it…all these fears that we have…Fears are coming out of obstacles. [0:12:01.7] Obstacles are coming out of ignorance. [0:12:11.7] So the wisdom cuts ignorance. [0:12:19.6] So therefore there is no obstructions. [0:12:26.4] So there’s nothing to be afraid. [0:12:31.0] And that is the totally free of fear is totally…total enlightenment. [0:12:39.9] That is fifth path. [0:12:47.8] No more learning. [0:12:49.9] No more fear. [0:12:53.9]

No more ignorance. [0:12:58.0] So no more problem to be solved. [0:13:01.9] So that’s called cessation. [0:13:04.5] So, this way of telling is – they call…they call it – for less intelligent person. [0:13:20.4] For us, it is too much. [0:13:26.6] We’re beyond. [0:13:29.9] So now they said for intelligent ones…for intelligent ones [0:13:39.2], it’s only mantra. [0:13:42.0] Ok, mantra is mind protection. [0:13:48.3] And then you have those…such and such mantras and such mantra, yeah…(?) ngak la na me pei ngak/mi nyam pa dang nyam pei ngak duk.. [0:13:57.6 – Therefore the mantra of transcendent wisdom, the mantra of great insight, the unsurpassed mantra, the unequaled mantra, the mantra that calms all suffering, should be known as truth for there is no deception. The mantra of transcendent wisdom is proclaimed: tayatha om gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi soha.] So that’s it. So tayatha gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi soha. So tayata is like this. [0:14:35.5]

And om is au-m together makes body, mind and speech, like usual, beginning of mantra, end of mantra, everything. [0:14:52.2] Gate – gone beyond. [0:15:02.7] Gate, again – gone. [0:15:06.6] Paragate – gone beyond. [0:15:12.1] Parasamgate – perfectly gone beyond. [0:15:17.6] And bodhi…bodhi [bodhi] yeah bodhi soha, right? Bodhi. Bodhi is changchub, um, means bodhisattva bodhi – that’s what it is. We explained meaning yesterday. [ 0:15:36.9] So the first is telling you – first gone – is telling you the first path, path of seeing. Second gone is path of action. Then paragate is seeing and parasamgate is fourth path, path of meditation. Bodhi – normal learning. Soha – lay the foundation. [ 0:16:18.7] Okay, so even those before, we said this…this mantra, that mantra, and cool mantra you know. That also talks to you. This mantra is five path mantra – there are five of them, right? This mantra, that mantra, telling you five paths. [0:17:14.3]

So, which another words, it will also tell you this five paths are divided on the basis of how intense the wisdom you have rather than love/compassion method part of it. [0:17:56.9] Actually, at the path of accumulation, you don’t understand the wisdom at all, but you’re creating a cause to understand wisdom. [0:18:23.5] So when you have some rough idea what it is, then path of action. [0:18:44.1] When you begin to see it, then a path of seeing. [0:18:56.3] So whatever you seen, learned – when you practice and it become habitual – and that is path of meditation. [0:19:10.3] And there’s nothing more to learn. [0:19:20.3] Path of no more learning. [0:19:25.6] Okay, so this is basically lay how wisdom was presented. I mean this is such a shortest ever possible version, and, um, and for many of you – particularly first time here – will have a little tough time to get at what we’re talking about it. [0:19:56.1]

But, you going to have good inclination. [0:20:11.3] Another words, you have established a good foundation, base, to be able to put on. [0:20:22.2] Not foundation. Seed. Sorry. [0:20:26.6] And I’ll actually have to tell you here, um, I actually have to tell you here how it’s established seed. Because otherwise you just will hear you will [? - 0:20:50.7] seed. How it’s established seed is this: what, you know, what did you learn? What did you understand for the last two days? [0:21:02.5] When you understand problems we face, they are not permanent. [0:21:22.2] No matter how heavy it may look like. [0:21:30.8] It is definitely impermanent. [0:21:35.9] And number two, what you learn, what you picked it up, is the problem is not created by somebody else and…and throw out on me. [0:21:59.1]

Neither by the god, nor by my parents. Neither my companion, nor by myself. [0:22:22.3] Problems are there because the conditions came in. [0:22:34.7] Conditions came in because there is cause. [0:22:46.5] And the where is the cause coming from? [0:22:55.3] The cause is coming from my ego. [0:23:01.9] The problem is…is not me, it’s my ego. [0:23:09.5] Really. It’s a big difference me and my ego. [0:23:15.8] And our problem is we see everything: I did it; I did it wrong; I’ll had a terrible childhood; I have this; I have that; I had abusing father; I have abusing mother; I had abusing uncle; It’s all my fault. You got nothing to do. It’s not your fault. [0:23:42.8] The funny thing is we say in our mouth – straight together – I had abusive father, I had abusive uncle, abusive mother, all my fault. How can that be – in one sentence? You saying it’s father fault, but it says all my fault. [0:24:17.6] Honestly speaking, it’s not father’s fault. [0:24:35.7] Not your fault either. [0:24:37.5]

It is the fault of my ego, my father’s ego – that is the problem. [0:24:46.6] You know, I fought with my ego. [0:24:56.3] Unfortunately, I lost. [0:25:00.3] It’s true. Remember that song? I fought with the law…(? - 0:25:07.20). But it’s not the problem is I fought with the ego. Ego won, you know? [0:25:12.8] We are completely suppressed, smashed, by our own ego. [0:25:26.1] Really true. [0:25:31.4] So now who’s fighting my ego and my father’s ego have the fighting too. [0:25:38.1] So that is the problem. [0:25:45.3] So, it is our job to destroy my own ego and is the father’s job to destroy his own ego it’s everybody’s job to destroy their ego. If you do, you have freedom. If you don’t, you will still continue the same problem. [0:26:07.2] So where and how to defeat it – ego – is really you got…you got to burst it, the ego. [0:26:37.8] Remember yesterday, before lunch, or is it after lunch, I said, you go on search and false end there and you suddenly you find there is nothing. There is no ego to be traced. [0:26:56.7]

So this is exactly how you get bursted ego. [0:27:12.3] And that is called wisdom. [0:27:18.4] So are you with me? [0:27:22.0] So those of you who sort of get a little ahead how to burst ego, you had got something. Those of you who did not get ahead, something about, but at least I’m counting you know it, it is ego’s fault, not my fault. It is the confusion that I had – it is coming from the ego. The mystery of my life, which I am unable to see, is the creation of ego. [0:27:57.1] Thus, you have found target. [0:28:27.6] And I don’t expect any one of us get ego bursted right this moment. But, you have found target. [0:28:39.6] You have found sources of the problem. [0:28:53.2] You really found the demon. [0:28:59.1] Or devil [0:29:04.4] within yourself. [0:29:13.1] Nothing external. [0:29:14.8]

The likewise, the pure being, the perfection, is also within ourself. [0:29:27.5] Nothing external. [0:29:36.1] Thus, what is established? I am my own protector. [0:29:49.0] And who else can be my protector? [0:29:55.4] Do you see it? [0:30:04.3] Your problem is within. My problem is within me – let me talk to you. It’s easier. My problem is within me. [0:30:14.0] And I cannot search anything out there to protect me. [0:30:24.1] So I am on my own protector. [0:30:32.9] Likewise, you. You are your own protector. [0:30:39.1] And how you protect yourself is: find your source of confusion. [0:30:49.9] So this…Source is a mystery. [0:30:59.7] And that my…is become a mystery because it was not there. [0:31:07.7] But somehow, we projected it very strongly. [0:31:17.6] Then it’s creates some kind of fear from there. [0:31:25.8] They will scared of it. [0:31:31.9] They will worried. [0:31:35.3] Become intense. [0:31:37.2] Upset. [0:31:40.2] Angry. [0:31:42.4] Attached. [0:31:44.4] And depressed. [0:31:47.2]

All of them coming from inside. [0:31:53.2] Okay? So when you wanted get better, the therapist is inside. [0:32:03.2] If there’s any therapist, excuse me. I’m not try to cut your income, but…[ 0:32:16.3] But…but the true therapist is inside. [0:32:26.2] Trace it. Trace it where the anger is coming from. [0:32:34.5] And of course, somebody else did it, right? You’re going to blame it. [0:32:44.3] But think again carefully. [0:32:51.2] It is…it is me. Whatever they do, if I don’t get angry, it is in my hand. [0:33:00.5] It’s not in their hand. At most they can get up and slap me or shoot me. What else they can do? Nothing. [0:33:10.2] So it is the me [0:33:21.9] who’s fear, worries, that I’m going to lose something. [0:33:34.5] So it is not out there; it’s inside. [0:33:41.0] And that inside is also total confusion. [0:33:48.6] Nothing to be afraid, we’re afraid [0:33:56.7] because ego wants to project that. [0:34:05.9] When ego projects that, ego’s growing. [0:34:14.3] At my expenses. [0:34:20.3] Not at ego’s expenses. [0:34:23.8] What they smashed it, is smash it me – the true me. [0:34:30.6]

True me can’t even think. [0:34:40.7] When I…begin to think because my nature, I don’t mean “me” as personal, but every one of us – human being – our nature is compassion, [0:34:57.4] kindness, [0:35:07.8] caring. [0:35:09.8] So when we begin to think this, our ego will say, “Oh, no, no, no, no. no. If you do this, you’ll become doormat.” [0:35:20.7] And you have to fight. You have to get angry. All of those. [0:35:32.3] And somehow the control is taken over by ego. [0:35:41.4] So he…sorry. You done? [I’m done.] Okay. He is…he is managing…he is managing. [0:36:02.2] I’m not managing – that’s the problem. [0:36:12.2] So, when you being to know this is separation between me and my ego. [0:36:23.8] When we begin to know…when we being to know that I’ve been smashed. [0:36:37.1] You know my ego has the best knowledge of me. [0:36:47.0] So ego is great way of handling…knows, you know? Ego will come such a way that, you know, that to the level until I trust my ego, the ego will come very, very nicely. [0:37:07.7]

The moment we trust the ego, then ego will completely take over. [0:37:24.3] You know many people we see around having lot of difficulties – internal, mental, not crazy, but mental difficulties. [0:37:41.5] And pull and push. [0:37:53.8] Particularly with intelligence people. [0:37:58.0] And they’re all ego’s creation. [0:38:04.7] The pull and push is between me and my ego. [0:38:11.4] Since we do not differentiate, so we could not figure out what’s going on. [0:38:23.3] We go to the almost extent that, “Am I crazy?” [0:38:37.6] We bring ourself to that level. [0:38:45.4] It is the fight between me and my ego. [0:38:49.7] And I get no support [0:38:54.6] except composition like this. [0:39:00.9] Everywhere else, ego gets support. [0:39:08.5] Then I also support ego. [0:39:14.3] So this is the…our problem. [0:39:19.7] This is our spiritual problem. This is our in…I don’t know…common…I don’t want to say intellectual problem, but…It is our common mental usage problem. [0:39:46.5] It’s sometime even translate into physical problem [0:39:59.6] Okay? So this is the seed – what I told you, you got it. [0:40:11.3]

So even you get nothing, but that’s what you got. [0:40:22.0] And that’s a lot to think about it. [0:40:31.8] That’s lot to analyze about it. [0:40:39.0] And that’s lot to save. [0:40:45.8] You know many people – many people – who had that struggle between, you know, natural me is compassion and nice. And then the ego-me is dominating nature, can be mean, definitely selfish. That’s where the struggles comes in. [Excuse me, I missed the first part.] I’m sorry. [I missed the first part. I didn’t hear it.] Natural me is kind and compassionate nature. Ego-me is dominating nature, and can be mean, definitely selfish. [Can be me?] Mean. [Yeah, yeah. Can be mean.] [0:41:52.7] That is our struggle. [0:42:13.4] And each and every one of us almost – some have more, some have less. [0:42:25.1] Do you have a question? Go ahead. [0:42:33.2] [How can you recognize (inaudible) - 0:42:40.4] Ir you recognize the true me, we don’t have those problems. Really true. [0:42:54.3] Okay now, I must tell you one thing. I’m not try to build a split personality within you – don’t misunderstand that, okay? [0:43:10.5]

It's not a split personality. There’s no demon in…external demon in there. There’s internal demon – that’s the problem. [0:43:27.2] Actually, how you know? [0:43:44.4] When you see it – people outside suffering. [0:43:53.5] Or when you see those animals been burning in England. [0:44:01.9] A compassion pulls out. [0:44:09.5] Right? We all do. Sometimes you feel like crying. [0:44:18.3] That is the true me symptom. [0:44:27.5] When it’s come closer to home [0:44:37.8] it is becomes the Netherlands [0:44:41.9], and then you have different feeling. [0:44:46.4] Compassion is there. [0:44:50.0] But then the anger comes in. [0:44:53.9] Right? Like a say…why not we vaccinate? [0:45:01.6] Vaccination’s not done. [0:45:04.9] Or these damn Japanese and Americans – they don’t want to buy meat, so we cannot vaccinate. [0:45:12.8] Damns Japs and Yankees. [0:45:21.1] This is World War II language, right? Japs. So this…you know. (? - 0:45:33.0) is a little thing. And then you know those anger and all of those coming up. And that is the ego symptom. [0:45:40.7]

Compassion’s still far away. [0:45:50.0] Ego is no problem. Let it go. Let it be. [0:45:54.4] Just like the Americans think. Let them have war anywhere else. Not on the United States territory. Just like that, you know? [0:46:12.2] So there’s a far distance – the compassion, there’s no problem. There’s a little profit too. You can sell it arms or…or you can fish in a little bit. There’s a little pond. We will let it go. When it’s come too close to home, then ego sparks because there’s a danger for the ego. [0:46:42.2] You know why? Ego’s threatened. Ego has been threatened. [0:47:10.6] Yeah. So then the ego wakes up. [0:47:16.8] Even you’re here, it’s a threat to your ego. [0:47:24.8] I’m surprised many of you are not angry. [0:47:34.1] Maybe you’re a kind person. [0:47:41.0] You all smile, laughs, still. [0:47:46.8] Perhaps, to some of you, you ever had the biggest threat to your ego today or yesterday. [0:47:58.0] To some of you, it might have not gone through. [0:48:14.4] To some of you, it might have gone through here and got out there straightaway. [0:48:23.3] So anyway, that’s what it is. [0:48:29.3]

So there’s source of problem inside. [0:48:33.6] Actually somebody asked today, when you reduce this ego completely and did you get love/compassion automatically? I said, “No.” [0:48:54.0] And that is technical answer and theoretical answer. [0:49:14.0] A practical answer – when ego’s out, every problem’s out, so love/compassion definitely be there. [0:49:14.0] But, that love/compassion definitely there is not caused by the ego shutting out. [0:49:48.3] And it’s there and it has to be strengthened too. [0:50:01.8] But against love/compassion, the emotions we have are anger, attachment, hatred. [0:50:16.5] But when you bursted ego, you have totally bursted anger, hatred, attachment sources – totally bursted. [0:50:36.7] You’re not going to find it any more anger, any more hatred, any more jealousy, any more attachment, any more even pride. [0:50:56.1] Or stinginess. [0:51:05.6] Miserness. [0:51:09.2]

There’s a two different words for miserness and stinginess in Dutch? That’s interesting. So…so that’s where the love/compassion goes because there is no obstacle for that. [0:51:35.3] So are you with me? [0:51:45.5] Okay? You got something to carry home? [0:51:50.5] You’re packed? [0:51:53.2] Goodbye. [0:51:57.6] I’m just joking. No, no, no. You’re not under the watch – room for the watch (? - 0:52:04.8). Just joking, you know? So, I said if you’re packed, go bye. Anyway, I’m not done here yet. This one. Still technicalities left here. [0:52:18.8] So, where did we stop? Earlier reading somewhere we stopped. [Just after the mantra.] Oh, the mantra’s are done. All mantra even done, right? So, one little thing I forgot to mention here. Yes, love/compassion’s obstacle has been totally cleared. Yet, love/compassion’s fully might not have strengthened. [0:53:03.3] You need a powerful merit. [0:53:22.6] Okay, you may be wondering, if I clear obstacles, why should I have to have merit? [0:53:32.2] The merit is our living expenses. [0:53:45.7] Really true. Everything when we have a comfortable, uncomfortable, whatever life we have, it is depend on our merit. [0:54:04.7] The…the…it is unfortunately…it is also true, the rich people have better merit than we poor people. [0:54:22.3] It is true. That’s why they’re richer. [0:54:31.9] [Inaudible] And, what this is this life, right? And then, let’s say, if you become fully enlightened Buddha or something. [0:55:02.6] And then we don’t have those extraordinary qualities. [0:55:10.6] Little over here, little…under here. All of those are the part of the merit. [0:55:20.4] Maybe we’re better off without having those. [0:55:31.5]

Whatever. And then you know, all purelands, they…you know, you have heard that pureland? You have heard mandala, right? You have heard mandala. The all, total mandala is protection of merit. [0:56:00.4] So, if you…if you’re economist, and if you’re looking into this…this spiritual…spiritual thing, it is extremely extravaganza expenses. [0:56:33.5] Let’s take a door of a mandala. [Draw?] The door. [0:56:55.2] [The door.] Yeah, yeah that one. Behind one. [This door.] I’m not talking this door, but the door. The mandala. [0:57:08.9] It is not good enough. It is wood. It’s not good enough. [0:57:19.8] Even it may be thick or mahogany. [0:57:25.2] Or even more those expensive those things. [0:57:31.0] It’s not good enough. [0:57:32.4] And even it is steel, it’s not good enough. [0:57:40.6] Even if it’s titanic or gold or platinum, it’s not going to be enough. [0:57:48.6] It has to be mindfulness door. [0:57:56.9] So, it has to be part of me. [0:58:04.3] It’s not an external thing will not do. [0:58:10.4] So there’s the walls. [0:58:15.4] The windows. [0:58:18.9] The decorations. [0:58:20.9] The retinues. [0:58:24.0] The equipments. [0:58:29.2] The heating system. The healing system. It all has to be part of me. [0:58:36.1]

So it is expensive. [0:58:43.6] You know, when you…when you watching science fiction movies, sometimes, you know, when these Star Trek people…this Captain Kirk and all of those, when they get somewhere else, they find some funny thing which is some kind of computerized thing functioning everything. So…begin with. Are they finding some mandala or what? [0:59:14.1] So anyway, that’s what it is. So it is expensive. [0:59:41.7] And if you don’t have it, there’s danger of having a mandala without door for you when you become a Buddha. [0:59:54.4] Or even then that’s not that bad. [1:00:07.0] And if it’s still become less, or there may be Buddha without a thing. [1:00:18.1] Even then that’s not bad. You can be Buddha without arm or leg. [1:00:33.4] So, that’s why the merit part is necessary. [1:00:42.8]

Wisdom builds mind. [1:00:49.1] The merit builds physical things. [1:00:54.7] So merit is necessary. [1:00:59.9] Lot of us will think that the merit go to hell. I would like to have the wisdom. [1:01:10.4] Merit can go in toilet. Let me have the wisdom. Say it won’t work. You need both. [1:01:30.1] You need love. [1:01:38.2] You need compassion. [1:01:41.8] You need ultimate, unconditioned love and compassion. [1:01:49.8] And then you need wisdom. [1:02:01.4] Then you have cake, you have icing. [1:02:07.2] Otherwise, you’ll have cake without icing [1:02:12.5] which is not bad. [1:02:15.5], but…but it’ll be a little too heavy. [1:02:21.3] Okay? So that’s the discussion between Sariputra and Avalokitesvara. [1:02:30.0] That’s true. This…this subject what they really talked is this. [1:02:39.2] Then suddenly Buddha wakes up. [1:02:47.1] And says, great, great, wonderful. [1:02:56.0] And that’s exactly like that. [1:03:05.3] Right? Can you just finish the reading now?

[Then the Blessed One arose from that concentration and praised the noble Avalokitesvara, the bodhisattva mahasattva, saying, “Good, good, oh child of spiritual family. It’s exactly like that.”] So, the conclusion is the wisdom and method. [1:03:48.2] A wisdom is just like a weapon [1:03:55.3], which really destroys the ignorance or the ego. [1:04:04.9] And the merit is the strength [1:04:12.0] Strength. And if you don’t have strength, even you have weapon, you can’t shoot, you know? You see in the movie the poor, little suffering woman try to get hold of gun and try to shoot. And instead of shooting that way, shooting that way or…or sometime you may shoot yourself, you know? So…so that is the…when you don’t have strength, that’s what happens. [1:04:41.5] The strength is coming from the love/compassion. [1:05:10.1] Okay?

So, somehow I managed to follow (? - 1:05:16.5) this through. [1:05:19.1] But I recommend you to read the transcripts [1:05:29.6], hich is this…the mantra thing – what’s it called? Perfection [of wisdom mantra.] Perfection of wisdom mantra. [1:05:40.8] I think I did quite a long time teaching on this gate gate paragate parasamgate. That’s the one. That is the whole total one there. [1:05:54.5] So what you heard today read this, come back together and say it make…it doesn’t make sense to you. Talk to your friends, and it will have some contribution to solving…No, not to solve your problem…to ease your pain a little better. [1:06:22.9] And those of you are coming back to that Buddha nature thing, so I bring this back to there, and I’ll…You know, here’s only two days and there four-five days. So I’m going to bring that over there rather than talking too much of the tathagatagarbha. So…so…so it’s sort of going to be combination going together. So I will have little more time to…to talk…to discuss and think about it there more. [1:07:18.0]

Okay, so if you have any questions. Actually, the time is almost four. It is an hour ahead. I was told you need a break, but if you need a break, you can take a break and come back and we will have a question and answer session. Or, if you don’t need a break, you can sit down and have some question and answer, and go home. So, the choice is yours. This is the problem. When you throw the decision to so many people, you don’t know what to do, you know? [1:08:14.5] So what I would suggest is – I suggest you to take a break and take a little…No, no, wait, wait, wait – let me finish. To take a break and…I don’t know whether there’s coffee or tea – maybe not. But there’ll be water available if you need one, I’m sure. And, so take a little time. And if some of you want to go home, you can go home. Some of you want come back and talk a little about it, you could do that. So why not do that, huh? Is that okay? [Very short. Just short break. Very short break.] [1:09:16.1]

Welcome back, and I’m sure you came back with some loaded questions, so let’s see. Yes. [Uh, it’s, uh, it’s a question about the text – we heard the text is out of the piece (? 1:09:58.1) after the Heart Sutra.] What? [From the three phase of khechari (? - 1:10:02.4) – we recycled it yesterday. If you could say something about it because it…it doesn’t belong to Heart Sutra.] No. [No. So what is it doing here?] It is…sorry. [1:10:16.2] This is…this is the completely different for, um, make almost there’s nothing to do with the Heart Sutra. Yeah. [1:11:04.4] This is regarding the lion-faced dakini. And during the teachings, it is customary to say it together. And…not together, but it’s sort of after the ano…sort of injected in between. Before this “all obstacles may cleared” something – that verse. So, it’s customary to sort of put the in there. It’s the traditional lamas do in traditional way. That’s what it is. [1:11:40.2]

Basically there are three of them: Heart Sutra, and this lion-faced dakini and White Umbrella. Three of them is considered simple, easy but effective for clearing obstacles and evil spirit, etc., etc., etc. [1:12:20.9] [I didn’t hear the dakini what what?] Lion-faced. [Lion-faced. 1:12:42.6] So…But during the teachings, they don’t say the White Umbrella. They said these two. So I don’t know what is the reason. I have no idea. [1:12:56.3] [The lion-faced dakini (inaudible - 1:13:11.2).] Whatever you said, that’s right. [Whatever you said.] Mm-hmm. Mr. Wolf? [If somebody says that there must be smallest particles…] Smallest what? [Particles. Particles. Smallest particles. And, uh, the…then Buddhist reason is it can’t be because you still can’t see directions. I guess if one gives that reason to, let’s say to Hawking also, it would not convince him.] Why you have convince? [Is that convincing?] Why you have to convince? [Why?] Why you have to convince? [No. I mean, it should be a reason – a Buddhist reason – in order to convince people who believe in smallest particle.] No, no, no, no, no, no. I’ve…The reasoning is not to convince people, honestly. Reasoning is to establish truth. [So what is the convincing thing to establish truth with that?] Because people bring their thoughts up. They think about it. And when they begin to realize, they may be right – there might be truth in it. And that…that is what they’re trying to do. It’s not convincing the individuals. [1:14:53.1] [I want to convince myself with that reasoning.] That’s important. [Yeah.] I have to convince myself – yes. I’m sorry – I didn’t mean to. [1:15:01.6]

Are you talking or me talking? I fall asleep. Uh? Am I talking? What I’m…what I’m am I talking about? [Yet to me, this reason…I cannot see why should that be? If there are…if I can still see, for example, if I think maybe there are smallest particles. Okay, they might have directions. But why should that be a reason that they are dividable.] Oh, if there’s a direction, that’s a dividable. [But how…why?] Obviously. I’m…how can you have direction if you cannot have the division? [Maybe there is something (inaudible - 1:17:08.0) part cannot be divided.] No, no, no. [Why not?] No, there…If it’s a…If there’s a direction, there is eastern side and there’s a western side. I mean that’s how you divide. [1:17:23.9] No. Piecewise. [1:17:29.8] Piecewise. [1:17:32.4] As long as there’s east and west, there’s a division here. Definitely. [But then why Hawking…if, that, I mean Hawkings thinks there is a smallest Russian puppet.] No, Hawking thinks he can reach to the point. So far, what he can reach only is always there is pieces – parts of…parts. And…but he think he can go deep settle (? - 1:18:01.6) and can find end of Russian doll. He had not found it. He thinks he can find it. [I…I miss logic then. You would know if that would be a complete logic if know that it can’t be because when whatever particle it is must be dividable.] But he might not have accepted that logic. [So why should I accept?] You don’t have to. [See, I don’t see it.] No, I’m really telling you. You…it’s not to be accepted. It is the truth in that. Right now he accept – Hawking accept – because he cannot get the end of the Russian doll. [Can you show me the truth in that? For how…yeah, how can I understand the truth in it. You said there’s the truth in it – in this (? - 1:19:02.2)] The truth in…Ah. So I can show you like Zen does. Sit. Just joking. Uh, no. The truth is we have no reached a point where they cannot divide. Really true. So if you reach point where cannot no longer be divided and then you found inherent existence. [1:19:42.5] That’s really true. [1:19:45.1] No, no mystery here. [1:19:48.2]

If you found inherent existence, whether we found logically, scientifically, doesn’t matter. We’ve found it. [1:20:33.5] It is same thing. You put those machines, you know those glasses and hearings and all of those, and get to a level of concentrated level. And you meditate – bring to yourself on that level of the concentrated level is same thing. Nothing extra for the meditated level. Nothing less in this mechanical thing. It is same thing. Likewise, if we find inherent existence through scientific or through meditation, it's the same thing. Doesn’t matter. [1:21:28.3] If you fight. [Alfred, please.1:21:49.1] So…so when you reach to that level – let’s say by science…scientifically. It’s true – no inherent existence. Then it have to take one turn in (? - 1:22:20.5) – turn around again. Alright, then there is no inherent existence – where is all this coming from? And if the science make turn – one more turn around – and then they’re going to find dependent arise. [1:22:42.4]

Or, maybe they already found dependent arise. Because you may…you will see the table wood and molecules and so and forth and everywhere part and parcel and particles. And maybe they have found dependent arise. [1:23:25.9] And maybe they don’t have explanation. [1:23:40.4] Maybe they’re simply holding or maybe further testing. Who knows? [1:23:47.6] Who knows? You know science is not joke. [1:23:59.6] It’s really fantastic. [1:24:03.4] It’s wonderful. [1:24:03.9] I had attended one conference in New York about a few months ago. It is called Artificial Intelligence. [1:24:19.1] The Dalai Lama’s office called me saying, “Would you please go?” I was just end of summer retreat or winter retreat. I was in the retreat. And just end of that I have to go. Is it summer or…Maria, do you remember? Is it summer retreat or winter retreat? [1:24:47.6] And they have asked the Dalai Lama’s office would you send somebody to participate in this conference. We want to talk about…um…artificial intelligence and the consciousness. [1:25:15.3] And they have talked, “We’re not interested in a holy lama.” But we wanted somebody who we can talk to and who understand what we’re talking about it. [1:25:32.8]

So then they called me, “Would you please go?” [1:25:46.3] And I…and I hesitated. But then I did go. [1:25:57.1] I…you know who participating? Um…forgot his first name. Kurzweil – that professor who teach in Harvard and Stanford of the artificial intelligent. Kurzweil who wrote the book Artificial Intelligence. And he was there. And, um, that IBM head. And then another head of department of California…I think the University of California. Head of the department of scientific studies. And…and John Houston. John Houston? Jane Houston. And, uh, me. And it was arranged by the…by that, again, the California…that company called ALO (? 1:27:30.0). It is sort of those…You see lot of advertisements from them these days on computer. They make their little machine that carries two-way conversation and two-way this-thing that-thing. It’s credit card sized machine and which you can make it two-way communication. So…three times smaller than Palm Pilot. A tiny little this one…this much. And the guy who introduced…the first thing what he did…his company drive (? 1:28:09.3) him (inaudible - 1:28:10.7).

You know this is…what this is? A tiny little thing. How light it is to…Yeah, really what…Thank you. I’m sorry. That’s what he did. How light it is, you know? So, he says in future that little one, the total power of computer in 60s is in this. 60s and 70s – total power of computer in. Really the size of credit card. Thin. Not so thin as credit card, but it’s thin enough. Really. And then Kurzweil sitting next to me. And then he was sort of whispered at me, “He’s bullshitting.” And I said, why? He said, he says, “The total computer power of today can go in glasses.” He told me. A glasses. He says, that’s it. You just wear this and that’s it. Whole thing in here. Nothing more you need. I said, “Can you…can you replace the Pentagon (? - 1:29:25.8). He said, “Sure. It is tear-sized.” Tear-sized. You can do everything in there. And then the ques…the question is whether this and that – artificial intelligence or not. And what…what is the consciousnesses anyway. That’s what the topic is. What is consciousness anyway. So…so which means, within next five or six years, we’re going to see total laptop over here. This is it. Just this. It’s going to be laptop. Totally. You can see going here and something (inaudible - 1:30:11.3). Something here, something there. You can see all of them. Whether you…where you look. Focusing, that’s about it, you know. So…so they all think computer can get consciousness. And I did agree. Where I agreed is different than where they’re thinking. Where they’re thinking…they’re going to capture a consciousness, put it in here, sealed with silicon sealed, and let it work. But I thought some kind of running soul/consciousness, looking for physical identity, will enter in that by itself and function rather than Ray Kurzweil going to capture some consciousness and put it in here. [1:31:29.8]

[There is some discussion about whether or not…There is some discussion about whether or not you agreed that artificial intelligence will be possible in future.] Yes, I did agree. [You did agree. You did agree.] [1:34:06.7. Karl goes first. I’m sorry.] [The point here is, I think, is about is it possible to create consciousness by means of artificial intelligence. Or will a consciousness hook on a machine with artificial intelligence. And that’s a very basic question. Because if you conclude it’s possible to create a consciousness on the base of artificial intelligence, then you have a big problem.] The question is – will there be artificial intelligence. They…the question is not whether the…the machine going to create intelligence. Even they…even the Ray Kurzweil is the guy who really does the thing. [Yes.] And, uh, so even he thinks he’s going to capture a consciousness somewhere and going to put in this rather than he can put the machine and machine will be a consciousness. He really think that he can capture some consciousness and seal it in there and grow with the machine and let it develop with that.

It is difference. [1:35:26.4] The great difference is…the great scientist will know this is external consciousness imported and functioning. The poor scientist and the public is not going to know that. They thought it’s gone in there. For that’s the difference. [1:36:39.5] The head of the IBM said…total lecture was based on the episode on Star Trek. [1:37:16.4] I…you know this Commander Data? And Commander Riker wanted to dismantle Commander Data. [1:37:30.9] Because Data doesn’t listen exactly what Commander commanded. [1:37:47.0] So the Data does not want to…to dismantle. [1:37:56.0] So…then this Captain Kirk acted as Data’s lawyer. [1:38:04.8] And then they had the court up there. [I’m sorry.] Court. Court. Court. Court. [Court. 1:38:20.8] So Captain Kirk are good for Data. [1:38:27.0] And Commander Riker are good for the administration. [1:38:33.4] So, what do you think the verdict will be? [1:38:44.7]

Huh? The verdict is Commander Data has right to protect himself. [1:39:03.5] So basically accepted artificial intelligency, you know. This is the total lecture. [1:39:16.2] So beyond that you have accepted the…the artificial intelligence. [1:39:29.7] So, while I’m talking middle of thing, Ray Kurzweil raising hand and saying, “Are you thinking reincarnation?” [1:39:44.4] And I said, “Exactly.” [1:39:55.8] Exactly. I wish if he asked me will I be in this…[laughter] I would have yes. He didn’t. [1:40:12.3] Will I be in that box, you know? [1:40:36.9] I would have say yes, but he didn’t ask. [1:40:50.8] So anyway…so. So that’s where the scientist is. And then, you know, Ray Kurzweil commented at the end – what I said, he commented. Where he commented is…he said, “Gelek Rinpoche today give a 2,500 years befores theory.” [Before what?] The theory that established 2,500 years ago. [Yeah.] That’s what he comment on my end…at end of my talk. [1:41:31.9] He said, “Theory that we have rejected.” [1:41:45.1] And we rejected and we looked for facts-finding thing. [1:41:57.0] And we follow the facts. [1:42:07.7] And then facts turned us ninety-degree round – 180-degree round…[ 1:42:16.5] And now we are following behind…behind this theory of Buddha’s, which we have rejected 100…100 year ago. [1:42:32.8] And now we’re thinking there is truth in there. [1:42:42.2] So that…that’s what his comment is. [1:42:48.2]

And then there’s Christian, uh, what is he? Some kind of professor and Father. Father…no, something more than Father. Teaches two universities. And he raised his hand. He’s not on the panel. He raised his hand, “And there all seems to be fine, but what happened to the god?” [1:43:20.0] So naturally I’m not the person who answered. [1:43:38.9] And this scientists they’re not going to answer. [1:43:45.5] So in the middle Jean Houston. [1:43:52.1] And Jean says, “Nobody know it’s not God’s creation.” [1:44:02.5] It may be that God herself – she think that God is woman…She say, It…it may be the God ourself creating all this. How do you know it’s not?” [1:44:20.7] So the Father said…Father, I think is…it’s not Father. It’s something else more than Father, but…The…He said, “Well, in that case, I have no problems.” Honestly speaking. I have been there and then another --- (? 1:44:40.5). This is the part of World Forum [1:44:42.7]. So he says I have to go and attend another conference. Then I had no problem. He left. [1:44:49.3] As long as it’s God’s creation, then it’s okay. [1:45:00.7] He didn’t say that, but, you know…Then…then I have no problem. He left. [1:45:07.4]

So, this scientist…That’s why about…Joan Halifax says the Tibetan goes with scientist so much, you know. It’s really finding truth. [1:45:33.0] I think the philosophy is also supposed to be – finding truth, nothing more. [1:45:47.6] Nothing more to establish anybody’s theses or…or all of those and depending them. No. [1:46:01.1] I think…try to find [1:46:04.8] So any scientists find end of the Russian doll is correct. [1:46:13.0] And if they don’t find – correct. [1:46:20.7] I have no problem with that. I have to go and attend another conference. [1:46:32.6] [There has been apparently written a book about physics and Buddhism. By Allan Wallace – Choosing Reality. And he is a physicist and he used to be a Buddhist monk. He’s known for his Buddhist…Tibetan Buddhist theories (? - 1:46:52.3) And he explains Western physics and the way Buddhists think about reality according to Abhidharma and the Madhyamika things (? - 1:47:03.0). And he tries to combine that in the Buddha… (?) Combines good understandable also for non-scientific readers. It’s very good, I think. Allan Wallace – Choosing Reality.] Allan Wallace -the guy who is in California. [No. B. Allan Wallace. He translates for the…has translated those number books.] He he’s the guy in California. [I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know where he is.] Yeah, yeah, yeah. He’s in…He’s belong professor [He’s a professor…in University of California. [I think yes.] Yeah, yeah. [He also translate a lot of books from Tibetan.] Yeah, he is good guy. [1:47:46.2]

Very good, I’m glad. Go ahead. [In the text, it says, “Form is empty.” Can you explain a little about it? I somehow can follow with the table and the wood and everything. But then the next sentence is “emptiness is form.” And I would like to have some more comments on that because it makes me think…] Two…two beautiful kids walked in. [Oh yeah.] Yeah, really. Anyway, yeah. [Um, it makes me think the…about…for example emptiness cannot be formless. What is meant by saying, “Emptiness is form”? So it’s also the all the way around.] [1:49:12.4] Well, when you’re looking for the emptiness, you’re not separating it from the form – which you said you understood. And then when you…so when it's not separated from the form, then it has to be either part and parcel of form, or within the form, or form itself. [1:50:10.6] So the form itself is emptiness. [1:50:25.8] Okay, emptiness you must think – I said very briefly. I didn’t get time to say earlier. It’s not the emptiness comes in and NeverEnding Story – this children’s book…movie. [1:50:48.0] That emptiness is nothingness. [1:51:00.1]. And this emptiness is inter…inherent existence-less. [1:51:11.8] So…so form is empty, emptiness is form. That’s no problem. But I’m glad you’re thinking. [1:51:31.9] Really, really, really. It’s good. [1:51:36.2]

Don’t you think it’s good she’s thinking that way? [I think it’s great.] Great. She earned (? - 1:51:46.6) this – wonderful. Really good. Yeah. Yes. [1:52:01.8.] [Fighting your ego – breaking your ego down – is a painful process, and it takes a lot of courage to do that. The question is: where do you find the strength, the endurance, to do that and to keep doing that?] When I was in Tibet, at the beginning time when the Chinese came in, there’s no big problem with the Tibetans. [1:53:07.0] And I been there with Chinese ten years. [1:53:23.0] First few years, they’re very good. [1:53:30.8] Particularly they went in…in the field where the farmers are. [1:53:40.9] Where there are old people who are sick and doesn’t have the health. Tibetans don’t have good health service at all. [1:53:51.1] I mean the old time. [1:54:03.7] So, they went out there, put all the old…the old people, sick people, everything out. Giving them treatment, helping them walk, and doing the family’s to the household chore. Even bringing, delivering water – they did all this. [1:54:22.0] And a whole lot of people are happy with it. [1:54:37.3] And then the system become tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter and become more difficult. [1:54:46.4]

And I remember very clearly – first time – when the Chinese soldiers standing some monks go up and down, push them and beat them up and slap them and split them, and they do nothing. They just sit like this. [1:55:12.0] Later they begin to catch them. So…become giving torture later, you know. More and more and more. And people are not happy. [1:55:40.1] And very upset. [1:55:50.5] Then I begin to hear people are saying, “Even I have one little ounce of blood left, I will fight with Chinese.” [1:56:04.3] So when you’re tortured enough, when you had enough of problem, then strength or no strength, strength comes from there. But strength or no strength, you challenge. You have to fight. [1:56:35.4] So to answer your question, we have to challenge ego every day. [1:56:52.1] Whatever strength we have. [1:57:00.4] We have to fight with it. [1:57:06.4] If we have to wait to build the strength, we may be waiting till the cows come home. [1:57:16.1] That’s an expression, right? Till cows come home. [1:57:28.5] It’s American expression. [1:57:35.8] Sorry. That’s it.

Yes. I can see hand only. Yeah, now I see face. [1:57:49.9] [The question is whether attachment is the same as ego? If attachment and ego are the same, and if not, what comes first? Ego or attachment?] [1:58:26.3] [Is attachment the cause of ego? Or ego the cause of attachment? Is ego the cause of attachment?] You know the…you know this usual question which egg comes first or chicken comes first? That sound like that to me. [1:58:49.8] And egg gives chicken…[1:59:01.4] What is she say? [They are very related to each other.] Oh yes. [1:59:10.4] [But they’re not the same.] No. Just like chicken and egg. Chicken is not egg; egg is not chicken. Chicken gives egg and egg gives chicken. [1:59:28.7] If you can figure out chicken comes first or egg comes first, I’ll figure out attachment comes first…[ 1:59:55.3] You want to make that deal? [Yeah, okay.] Okay? [2:00:03.0]

I think we have to…yes, one more. [2:00:13.3] [Question on love and compassion.] Question on? [Love and compassion.] Love and compassion. Alright. [You said my…when you somehow realize that we are empty, then at some point the seed starts that there is love and compassion. Did I understand you right that because you see the real nature of things that therefore you start seeing the suffering better and therefore you start to reach out to the problems?] You understand me correctly half. But I did not understand you first. For there…the thing, what you said, is by realizing empty, did you say? [Yes. By realizing our real nature, that’s it…] Oh good. Then I have no problem. But if you make the empty as empty, like the children’s NeverEnding Story empty, that emptiness, then I have a problem. [inaudible…My question related to this. Is like the bridge going from Hinayana to Mahayana is that that by realizing our real nature, it’s not per definition so that there’s love and compassion. But because we see things as they are, this is what’s opens up, let’s say this. And therefore it makes that…can make that point --- (? - 2:01:57.5) in Hinayana. People can do that.] Maybe not. Maybe not. Do we have to translate that or no? Maybe not – we can skip that. Maybe not. You know why? Because the steps because the Hinayana and the Mahayana…not necessarily everybody goes first into Hinayana either. But the steps between the Hinayana and the Maha…We should never…I call Hinayana they get very…they really get upset. Theravada. Hinayana. Let’s call that. There was a…a guy who teach Zen Buddhism in California called…what his name. Jack Kornfield. Jack Kornfield even called me and saying, “we don’t use Theravadin anymore. I like to use the word as Elder’s Way. Would you do that?” I said, all fine. No problem. Elder’s Way, okay. So…so from the steps to the Elder’s Way to the Mahayana is the younger’s way. Not the Elder’s Way. Younger’s way. The really step is caring, compassion, caring. Caring ourselves and then looking at the others. And loving them. And caring them. And, um, they talk about all sentient beings and all that. Is long, short. May begin with one person. Person in your life. Your whatever. Husband, boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever it is. The person in your life – caring about them. And seeing the same condition that I have seen within me, seeing the same thing to that person. And, um, developing caring. And that expanding to other family members. And that expanding to the family members’ family members – in- laws and so and forth, you know? And that’s how you expand it and reach to all sentient beings. So the bridge is love, compassion and caring. Particularly caring. Caring and expansion of the caring to the family mebmers, in laws and forth …so and forth and going beyond. And that is the real bridge. Wisdom, I don’t think, does…I mean does and does not. But it’s not the main bridge. That’s my opinion. Are you…are you okay with that? Yeah, a lot to think. Yeah. Thank you. Alright. [2:05:29.9]

Okay. So thank you so much for everything. And thank you. And thank you for all of you for coming. [2:07:12.0] Thank you. [2:07:18.0] What are you going to do now? [Dedication - 2:07:24.4] What do you have now? [Migme - 2:08:21.3] Thank you. [Thank you, Rinpoche. Thank you, Maria.] [2:09:31.7] Alfred?