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20050622GRAASR21T7                               23rd Sept 2023

I think we will continue with the questions and answers. And you first, Karla.

Audience : The first question is how do we respectfully dispose of magazines, newspapers etc containing Buddha’s images.

Rimpoche : Thank you for the question because not only the magazines and newspapers, the postcards. It is very nice, very good and wonderful and then the people sent to you that and then you file up, a lot of them and you can’t put them on your altar because your altar will become junk yard. And that’s what you don’t want to. So, all of those, what do we do? Not only also the image of the Buddhas and all these but in the refuge advise there is a positive advices and negative advices. And…can you hear me over there? Oh good. The negative advices, what not to do. What not to do are including things, you know, not only the images but also the writings. The writings, some times we think the images we considered it is important and is Buddhist things but writings we thought not so much. The writings are equally important. It representing dharma. The images of Buddha representing the Buddha but the writings represents dharma material. Representing dharma. That is equally important. And that means not only we should be worried about how to dispose of but we also have to treat them with respect. Which means you don’t step over. You don’t jump over, you don’t put on the, you know, underneath your foot or underneath your chair. And all of those are one of those negative advices. So since you asked the question and it gives me the opportunity to bring that together with you. But what we normally do, we just normally sad OM AH VAJRA MU which really means the wisdom beings, if any there, please leave and whatever the drawings there and we are going to offer to at “mi”. At “mi” is fire. So, it is fire, within fire we offer. Not necessarily at the fire puja. But just the fire. You have to say wisdom beings may go away and commitment beings becomes the fire nature. So dharma, we used to have dharma disposals, separately we used to handle them, but as time goes, just become difficult. So must important is to say VAJRA MU. And that’s the reason why I don’t like postcards containing image, pictures of the Gurus and pictures of great spiritual beings as postcards, I don’t like it. That is my personal choice. Some people like it, some people like to send these. And for me, it is great to receive. Person, whoever sends is great. Sort of problem, not the best they could. Send it but then I don’t know what to do with it. And so it goes into that. So the best things is, even if you don’t know how to say VAJRA MU, doesn’t matter. In your heart the wisdom beings, whoever may be, please leave, not to be with this. Whatever doing is there, for disposal. Preferably burn that. Or throw in the river. Preferably burn it. I think that’s what we can do. And some times, it is really some very important, somehow very, I hate to use this word, some kind of holy material comes through a couple of generations or something, and in that case, probably easiest is to put in, burn with the image, stupas. In old Tibet, all those stupas filled up with those loose books, books doesn’t have, incomplete pages and all of these, all of those are sort of. In other words many of those stupas are the dumping grounds of those incomplete books. I guess this answer that. (1.18:06)

Audience : The next question is what are smell esters.

Rimpoche : Smell eaters, Okay. Those who are very much in love with Chanel No. 5 or samsara. I am just joking. They suppose to be a category of spirits, can only live on smell. I don’t know, it is a Hindu Buddhist mythological. May not be mythological, maybe true. All mythological not necessarily not true. That’s what they say. There are some categories and I have seen some of them even in trance. When they come in trance, you have to give them incense only. (1.16:30) Some other come in trance you can give them something to drink. Some of those are only you smell, nothing else. They can come in trance. They are there but I believe there is a category out of the six realms, it is sometimes falls into the hungry ghosts, some of them falls into demi gods or whatever. I have seen some of them in trance. And some of them are very, there are good ones and bad ones. Some of the bad ones will demand you burn meat. They wanted the burning meat smell. Not very good ones. I have seen both. They are there. Sort of category falls under the six realms. Some of them falls under demi gods, some of them hungry ghosts. I don’t know, more than that what to say.

Audience : Next question is what is the difference ghosts. Generic ghosts and hungry ghosts, spirits, demons, devils?

Rimpoche : Not kidding, are you? Joking. The ghosts are suppose to be in the category of hungry ghosts. And more or less, demons and devils. The devils. The normal, usual western understanding of the devil. I am not sure there is such a thing. I don’t know. Normally what we refer ghosts, the hungry ghosts is the general name of that type of thing. The ghosts are within the hungry ghosts. Many of them , like some people who died with some unfortunate incident, and they became, they want to take revenge. And they couldn’t get a way, so there is no other category, of living around that, to do something. So become a ghost. Many of those what we call protectors. Many of them are also ghosts. Ghosts who happens to have the opportunity to meet some great one, who be able to transform them from the harmful nature ghost into some helpful spirit. I am not talking about the big ones but the small little ones. And many of the village protectors, tree protector, mountain protector, and the canal protectors, river protectors. You see, a lot of them in old Tibetan, Himalaya areas and all of those. They are mostly ghosts. Ghosts. And hungry ghost is the general name, hungry, but not everyone. Some of them, some powerful ghost too. And when they becomes, the bad ghosts become more powerful, more harmful then it shift. Tibetans call it du, which probably refers to as a devil. Not the devil. Devil, becomes a little more powerful, harmful, powerful than ordinary hungry ghost. And then there is another type of spirit, that also called simultaneous born spirit. And I should say all of them are at the hungry ghost level. My answer will probably raise another question. Can a human being reborn as a ghost? Yes. That doesn’t mean it is a bardo. Sometimes we hear we say 49 days, we are talking about that, bardo level. After bardo, they can take rebirth as a ghost. And then they can remain a long time. No limit so they can remain quite some time. That person became a ghost and probably known, whether we pay attention or not but sometimes there it go.

Audience : How do we visualize the empowering of the wisdom beings? What is their function and what is their source?

Rimpoche : Empowering and wisdom deities by judging from this word, must be coming from somebody who has created samsara vows? and if that is so, then. No? But? Oh in that practice you have to have that. In the front generation? Empowering deity? Okay, thank you. The wisdom being is actually, in that case, actual Tara or whatever the Yidam you are talking about, when you refer to wisdom beings. Referring to that. And basically in the Vajrayana system, when you work, you work with the three beings. The commitment being, the wisdom being and one is called absorption being or something. Concentration beings. Normally commitment beings, earlier I also say Vajra Mu you said the wisdom being go away. Commitment being is the actual physical aspect, whether you mentally created or actually created. That is the commitment being. Actual life force within that is the wisdom being and Initiation deities are the idea, very much look like angels. The angels and their jobs. Their jobs is whenever those wisdom beings, wherever they are connected. Sometimes there may be some impurities of ours maybe affecting them. And that’s the reason why they initiate, purify, if you are doing sadhana or something, so many times pouring initiation, pouring water, water over water and that is the impurities may be affecting from us to them, to purify that. That’s why looks like angel like, what we call it initiation. (1.06:14) They are not really yidams. They are the good little gods, you know, small g, gods. Little gods that goes around like angel like. I don’t know how to explain other than that. It’s okay. Because I used the word angels, they may think wings and the little pony tails. Besides that, nobody knows how does these initiation deities looks like Drawings we draw, it is based on the culture we have come from. Because they are formless.

Audience : Can you clarify the four maras.

Rimpoche : Four maras. Okay, Maras, maras. ( Rimpoche spoke in Tibetan). Delusion, that’s right. These are the four maras, I count it. Negativities, negative emotions, negativities are called ( Rimpoche spoke in Tibetan), the devil that affects you. That’s all, what they called it, afflictive emotions are considered ( Rimpoche spoke in Tibetan). The negative devils. And then the one who destroys your life. What they called it the Yama is considered as the devil that destroys the, what you called that? It is the, those who takes your life ( Rimpoche spoke in Tibetan). It is the devil who takes your life. And then our aggregates, called the devil of form. Now I forgot. Oh it is this tiny little guy with little bow and arrow. Well it is called son of god in. It is very much like in the western culture, you have that tiny little guy with the arrow and all these. I better not say it before hearing it clearly because I may say something funny. That’s enough, everybody heard. After all this, what do you think I am thinking? Okay? Thank you.

Audience : The next question is could you please talk more about sky treasures. (1.01:54)

Rimpoche : Sky treasures. You know in the Tibetan Buddhism, a lot of rituals and some of those rituals are called vase collecting rituals. Create a vase that attracts, sort of give attraction to bringing wealth and all of those are actually based on that sky treasures. At the perfection of the generosity, as the result of perfect generosity one is never poor. Never poor. Commercially, materially, even spiritually. Never poor. And that sources are really the unlimited sources because of your own karma. Each and every individual will have it. And when you refer to that, you refer as a sky treasure. It is not all enlightened beings have collected a joint account where they put all their money together. Or course they do that in Vatican. Tibetan monasteries they fight for it. They don’t have joint account. But the real source is the perfection of your own generosity, which is sort of without the sort of uncertainty, unclaimed where somehow, so you continuously what you needed comes in and that’s what it is. And when you become a high level in spiritually well developed, the resource will continue, come in. And since it is at human level, looks like is coming, this and that. But again if you don’t have that, it comes from no where type of thing, also happens and that’s what it really refer to, sky treasure. Keeper of that sky treasure is one of those protectors called Desha Waner?. And one of those Desa Waner? most important Minister called Dzambala. So a lot of people goes for the Dzambala business, because Dzambala suppose to be? What happens is he happens to be the most important minister of the person who is suppose to be maintaining sky treasures intact. Intact doesn’t mean not going out but not decreasing. The job is not going to be stingy and holding. The job is make sure it is builts up and that’s what the job of the caretaker is all about in this business. It is not a caretaker who has to be stingy here.

Audience : The next question is what is clear light? Is the experience of clear light, lightness or a phenomena that accompanies lightness.

Rimpoche : I would say it is an experience that gives you the enlightenment. I think I explained something this morning, very briefly. When we say extraordinary, there are two or three types of clear light. I told you this morning. Ordinary and extraordinary, I think I used that word this morning. Ordinary clear light, even everybody who dies, during that time, we do experience. Those of familiar or those of you who read, nowadays without any restrictions, these things are available everywhere. Dying process because it may be able to help some people. So, within that dying process if you look in, there is a point that all elements completely disconnected. You call it dissolve. At the end of that, the individual person who is going through the dying stage will experience something like an early morning, dawn period. Like a little light but, you know, sort of early morning light and that sort of period. They will perceive nothing but than that. That is call ordinary clear light. And the other clear light is the result of practice and meditation Result of practice and meditation, there are two types of clear light comes. One is called example and the other is called real. Both have the same type of experience. Very similar to that dying stage what I talk to you. Dying stage, you will perceive that because every gross level of form that attached to our consciousness is completely finished. And that’s why you have this void, light, space type of perception, appearance we have. Here through the meditation all gross level of existing parts been completely reduced by meditation, wisdom meditation. When completely reduced, the individual person begins to perceive the same type of perception, yet it is example level which means still it is not completely completed. And the process we will repeat. What happened? Am I talking to nobody or what? Is it okay? Alright. (0.53:24) So, what happens is within that stage one individual again, you noticed yourself in some physical appearance and the form, which we call it impure body. Not what we have it but much more than that, still impure body state. That impure body state and again dissolves in nature state and within that it is called absolute clear light. Pre to that is called example clear light. And clear light that we perceive during the normal dying stage, I call that common clear light or ordinary clear light or whatever. Whether that is true emptiness is a story all together. I don’t . ordinary clear or whatever. Whether that is true emptiness, that is a different story all together. I don’t want to..?

Audience : My last question is there is a request for a list of the mantras for each of the 21 Taras, if possible handouts so that people who refer to.

Rimpoche : Mr bald head will do it.

Audience : Thanks , that’s it.

Rimpoche : Thank you.

Audience 2 : Rimpoche, the first question is could you clarify need to take refuge, do the seven limbs, do mantras, praise, dedicate for each of the 21 Taras. Or can we take refuge, do the seven limbs once, and then do mantras, praises for all 21 and then dedicate.

Rimpoche : Good question. The book what I am looking at it, tells you do it each and every one .To do. And as I said earlier it is coming out of Buddhism, that’s why you take refuge. Coming out from Mahayana, you generate bodhimind and the four immeasurables. And either it is accumulation of merits and purification, if you can do it, 21 separately, definitely you are better off. But nowadays the time is not that, and even myself, if I say 21 praise of the Taras. I will say 21 praise of the Taras together rather than each individually saying mantras and all that. So, even just saying 21 praise of the Taras will do if you if you do it seven limbs and the refuge, everything once. Even if you don’t do it, if you begin to say ( Tibetan chanting mantra) it goes that way and then say homage to Tara blah, blah, blah and at the end, whatever you say is 21, and that will also do. (0.49:07). Depends on the individual person it is my job to give you the information and it is your job whether you wanted to practice or reject. However the way you wanted to do. And if you are not doing it separately everything, you are not doing anything incorrect, nor you are damaging anything, if you are worried about that. I don’t think so.

Audience 2 : This next question is very similar, saying if you want to focus on one or two, deals with specific obstacles, we can do that as well?

Rimpoche : Always. Always.

Audience 2 : Is the light and liquid from Tara same colour as the Tara even for chocolate Tara?

Rimpoche : Well, that will be a good, sort of hot chocolate liquid. On a vanilla ice cream. You get plenty of ice cream here anyway. Native chocolate too? Don’t have chocolate. You know where to get from. Chocolate Tara. You know, Allen Ginsberg wrote a poetry, and John Madison has a chocolate too. Right? Do you have the book with you? You did not keep it? You didn’t like it? I am just joking. Okay. In one of those retreats, Allen showed me there’s a chocolate , chocolate this, chocolate that. Okay?

Audience 2 : Next question.

Rimpoche : Did I answer the question?

Audience : I was wondering whether…

Rimpoche : No, no. Yes you can. The colour corresponds to the body colour of the Tara. It is not really a chocolate colour, it is a little dark maroon. That is chocolate. I think that is fine actually. It’s okay.

Audience 2 : Rimpoche, can you explain how we move from one Tara to the next. Do we dissolve the previous one?

Rimpoche : I think I have said this morning. I already said this morning because what happen is you can dissolve it or just forget about it and replace or keep it there and bring another one. All three would be fine.

Audience 2 : The next question is Svara Swati, the great Pacifier is Manjushri consort?

Rimpoche : I don’t think know. I don’t know. Svara Swati as far as I know is known as Dian Rum? which is a great diety that helps poetry and musical compositions and she is sort of perfect compositions. No, composing, writing. Composing poetry, music and that is the reason why she had a guitar in her hands. She carry the guitar. It was old fashioned guitar. Not new electronic ones, but the old fashioned ones. Old fashioned ones, actually for here.

Audience 2 : Do all 21 Taras have seed syllable?

Rimpoche : Right.

Audience 2 : But you will elaborate the mantra mala please.

Rimpoche : Mantra mala sometimes tends. When you say the 21 praise to Tara, you don’t have to worry about the mantra mala. But among them, one of them came up, remember? Came up and light radiated from mantra mala. And what is it, fifth or sixth or something, whatever it is. So when you think about that, when you talk about that and then you have to think about the mantra mala. Otherwise you don’t have to think. But when you think, when you are going to use the mantra mala, the system is at the heart level, the centre of the heart chakra, at the heart level and normally in the case of Tara, most are moon disc. At the centre of the moon disc you have either HUM or TAM, whatever seed syllable of Tara and mind represents by HUM or TAM marked by HUM, HUM marked by TAM, whatever it is. It is , in front of that then you have the letter OM TARE TUTARE TURE, standing there. If you read, the white Tara, longevity practice, if you that Tara book, the Tara box, the book behind that, I think there has the six syllable mantra mala there. Even all those white Tara practice that we shared with you all, and that’s, all of them have the mantra mala. So you can talk about it, you can ask other people. You can talk about it, you can read about it, and you can do all these. Actually mantra, you may think mantra as some drawn on a piece of paper. Something printed or written or something. It is not. Mantra is a sound. Sound appeared in physical form, alphabetical form. Not alphabetical form, in the consonant and the alphabetical form. And which is sort of living mantra, living thing there. You have to think three dimension. Don’t think two dimension. Three dimension and that’s why some of these discussions says like a coral mala, or pearl mala. These are the reasons why they try to tell you it is three dimension, not two dimension. So it is a living thing. Is that okay, huh? Is that good enough? And then OM TARE TUTARE TURE SOHA. Actually if you look into the white Tara, the longer mantra OM TARE TUTARE TURE, then there is a chakra there, and of the eight spokes have eight letters and then at the centre you have the Mama Ayu, my life fortune may be increase will be there as a mantra mala. What I told you is much simpler than having the eight spoke wheel and each spoke carrying a letter, instead of that just simply OM TARE TUTARE TURE SOHA at your heart level and that is mantra mala. In that case SOHA has to be included. And if you are taking the TARE TUTARE out, and OM in front and SOHA at the back, if you read this Tara box book it would have very clearly mentioned in there. It mentioned, mentioned clearly.

Audience 2 : Thank you Rimpoche.

Rimpoche : Thank you.

Audience 2 : There are two more questions. Do secrecy downfalls includes all Sangha members.

Rimpoche : What do you mean by that?

Audience 2 : I don’t know the person or maybe the group leader who taking this question.

Rimpoche : I heard, you want to announce more? Good. The downfall, whenever you talking about downfall. Downfall you are talking about the individual. It is the business of the individual. Broken vows, downfalls, all of them are totally applied to the individual person. It is not, very little collective. But if the whole sangha, community decided to do it, the of course everybody will have it. But otherwise everything individual is the individual really the individual. There is very hard and rare to have the whole sangha collective downfall. Let’s say if I make a mistake here, my downfall will be my downfall, not yours. And it will not a sangha downfall. It will be my downfall. It also applies to each and every individual. All negativities, all downfalls unless we talk about it, we decided to do it, and then we execute it, then we all get it. And then it becomes collective karma. Other than that, we never going to do that, we never did it and will wont be doing it. We do so and are not good signs anyway, so we don’t. So there is no Sangha as a whole, downfall in there. I don’t see it. But if we are like that of Jim Jones, his group or something. Yes, collective downfall of killing that number or people. Individual no doubt plus collective plus each individual we have killing come up of every number of people that died of that act. That is really horrifying. So, applies to all of those heaven’s gate, all of those types. Unfortunately. Sorry.

Audience 2 : Rimpoche, last question is are there problems, this refer to purification. Are there problems regarding direct reparation to the person one has harmed?

Rimpoche : What is reparation? What does that mean? To scold them?

Audience 2 : To make amends. (0.35:23) No, no, no, to make peace, to try to make amends. To repair the situation.

Rimpoche : Is there a problem for that?

Audience 2 : The question are there any problems try to make direct reparations, to repair with that person that one has harmed.

Rimpoche : I don’t know whether the four powers are imputed. If there is no power, whatever you do directly with that person is just not karmically purified. Nor the person, this is something many of you will not going to like it. That is the person can say I forgive you or I not forgive you. It is entirely the choice of that person no doubt about it. But by saying I forgive you it does not necessarily purify your karma nor when he say I will not forgive you, it neither will not purify your negative karma at all. So that’s why direct reparation is no harm, you can definitely do it, if you are going to get it. If you are not going to get it, create more mental agony than anything done. I don’t know, you have to be your own judge. My knowledge tells me whether the person forgives you or not forgives you, it is the intelligent choice of the person. However forgiving or not forgiving will not make a difference to the karmic point of the individual at all. That may be a little harsh. Some people may feel this is harsh statement but that’s what I know. This is reality. I don’t want to destroy anybody else right to choose forgiving or not forgiving. And that is entirely up to the individual but again it may contribute for purification if forgiving. But I don’t think it is necessary quite often. But compensation, something to compensate, it is basis. And if you really want to compensate beyond the mental level of bot generating compassion or taking refuge. That is definitely icing on the cake. But other than that, forgiving, not forgiving, I don’t see it what makes difference from the karmic point of view. May help a little bit. And even you the individual and forgive and forget, feel good. That’s the Dutch says, ? Probably helps for that. Other than that, I don’t know. I cannot say no but my knowledge doesn’t tells me anything.

Right, thank you. As we have a little more time here we will do something else and that is where we left off the morning. I think we completed the seven, right? Oh, can you mark those, some numbers here so that. These are one, two, three, four, five, whatever. While we are getting ready, anybody has any individual questions? Anybody wants to ask direct questions, anything else? Where? Kelvin, since you went up there I don’t see it, I am looking down there. Go ahead Kelvin.

Kelvin : Who is Samantabhadra. ?

Rimpoche : Oh, that guy who has a lot of face, head and tongue and all that, right? That’s the one. I don’t know but there is somebody called Samantabhadra but the system of offering, what Buddha introduced is like a , if you are praising somebody and you generate from one person to two, four. Four, eight, sixteen, doubling up as much as you can imagine. In addition to that if it is praising each head will produce more number of heads. Each tongue will produce more number of tongues. So even if you say it at individual capability level, one praise, there will be zillions of them, by this mental manifestation state. Praising, offering, anything. That is called Samantabhadra system. And to represent that there is a bodhisattva called Samantabhadra which is almost Buddha’s manifestation. Thank you. Any other? Yes.

Audience 3 : ?

Rimpoche : This is a very good question. In Tibetan, there is a thing called “wang” which is really giving you power and authorization. Because of that, it is called “ wang”. It means power. Then there is a “ jenang”, empowering. And then you have blessing. It should have been full fledged initiation. Full fledged. The word is ‘ wang’ in Tibetan. “ Wang’ means power, giving power. And then empowering also authorization. Blessings, blessings, no problem. But all the translators so far have translated “ wang” as initiation and “ jenang’ empowering. Empowerment. Actual system of initiation and empowerment is quite similar. But initiation is much more detailed and more elaborate because basic structure of initiation is either two or four. If it is two like the lower tantras, Kriya is two. It is only water initiation and crown initiation. I the Maha Anu tantra level it is vase initiation which means water initiation. Water in the vase. Then there is a secret initiation, and then the wisdom initiation and then the name initiation. Naming or word, sorry. Word initiation. So these are, should be actually giving of power. But they translate as initiation. I don’t know why. I did asked , I think, a couple of people. I did asked Simon? and I did asked Glen Muller. They both told me everybody does that. Everybody translate it that way. Maybe some Tibetanan or Buddhistologist earlier, maybe about half century , quarter, three quarter of century ago but they decided to put. There is a great professor called, professor in Seattle, used to be Terry Wally. Terry Viley, right? It was Terry Wally, he was a great professor. Tibetanlogist. And he knows the Tibetans before, 1959. Before, earlier. He was there in the 60’s. He reads Tibetan according to the printed book. And then he doesn’t know how to pronounce. Like the word, Khedrup, Tsongkapa’s disciple. Khedrup is the example. Khedrup has MKHASGRUB. So the M is solid, G is solid and GR joined together becomes DRUB. He doesn’t know that. He was a really great professor. Knows very well, did a great job. Maybe far better than many of todays. He produced persons like James Smith and Neal Goldstein and all these people are coming from him. I was told it was a true story. He attended a Tibetantologist conference in Europe. He gave a lecture . He kept on saying Mkhas Grub and nobody could understand what he was talking about. Mkhas Grub, Mkhas Grub. Then he started showing his spare part in writing and oh Khedrup. Kept on saying Mkhas Grub. I heard from people who worked with him and he kept on saying Mkhas Grub. These people had very good translations and this time another German professor, Waving. Also a very interesting guy. Good translations but doesn’t go accordingly. And these type of people might have introduced word initiation somewhere. Generation before the present translators. So, they picking up the same old thing but nobody changes made. Sometimes they does that, happens (0.21:05) Any other questions? Yes sir. Where?

Rimpoche : What’s your name? Joseph, what? Not goes there, right? Okay. Okay Joseph, what is it?

Audience : What is the relationship between Buddha mind/Buddha nature and mind of clear light. Are they the same thing? Is one opponent of the other? And then a related question, if there is time, is clear light a metaphor or Buddha nature inner goodness or is it literal? Or both? Not separate like that personally.

Rimpoche : You know when you have, when we have a good harvesting. This is Michigan, you have a lot of good points. And then you have a seed and then you have to stand somewhere. And then both goes and then you harvest that. And we have a nice corn cob. Good for lunch. Buddha nature plus clear light and Buddha mind. There is a corn or cob? Just what’s your second question. Did you get it? Oh good. Thank you. Okay, so it covers the second one.

So, I don’t see any hands been rising. Is there one hand rising somewhere? Gentleman from Mexico. Are you raising hand to ask question? You better say your name first. Your name is what?

Audience : I was asking ?

Rimpoche : Excuse me, I am getting a little bit our of depth. Would you mind repeating.

Audience : We were asking about Buddha nature and trying to understand your example. It is. The corn plant is a finished fruit, working to get the Buddha nature.

Rimpoche : Okay, okay. I understand. Buddha nature is something, every being, every human being carries, we have it. Because the good nature of people, which has the capability of becoming perfect enlightened one. That is the Buddha nature part of it. Process in which the Buddha nature becoming perfect is the question what we put up, the clear light. The clear light is the process. In other words, the wisdom is the one which really process the Buddha nature, bring it up, maturing and making it perfect. When it’s final stage comes through and then it is the mind of the Buddha which I just called “ corn on cob ”. It is just a fancy thing I just said it. Not fancy thing. Just thought of that. Sort of it’s the evolution of a process, that’s why I thought. So, kor. Because it is Michigan. Just a thought that. I don’t know whether Michigan makes more corns on that or not. I don’t even know corn is a Michigan major crop. Probably not. Who makes most? Indiana. Maybe Nebraska too. So it is a mid western production. Is it clear to you? Alright. Thank you. Robert? Give Robert the mic, would you? (0.13:45) You don’t need one. You can shout.

Audience : ?

Rimpoche : What?

Audience : ?

Rimpoche : Oh wait a minute, don’t go to the second one. Let’s go to the first. Last year, some of my friends insist I should get a hearing aid and I just pushed this out for years. Maybe I do need it now.

Audience : Is the mind that goes to enlightenment gets into the Buddha nature or enlightenment and at the end of this process

Rimpoche : You got three things there. Mind seeking enlightenment, then Buddha nature, which one are you talking about?

Audience : Mind that is seeking enlightenment within, to the point

Rimpoche : Do you have a mind outside?

Audience : I am just asking what does outside before

Rimpoche : If the mind is completely outside, you will have a little problem.

Audience : I am not saying.

Rimpoche : I am sorry.

Audience : It is a real thing. The other thing is the mind up in the head, in the heart roughly. Is that why the mind. Body, speech and mind. That kind of mind.

Rimpoche : Robert, I know you know this. Right. The consciousness, we make six consciousness within the one individual. Five consciousness are the five senses. And then you have the principal consciousness. And these are called six consciousness. And the principal consciousness have 51 mental faculties. Out of the 51 mental faculties, five special mental faculties are always accompanying them. And the five will recognize and acknowledge each. But when we talked about the mind and I think we are basically putting to the sixth consciousness. What we called in principal, the sixth consciousness. When we are talking about the Buddha nature, we are talking about the quality within that sixth principal consciousness. And when that quality within that sixth consciousness when that increases, the nature of the sixth consciousness changes, Changes into a betterment state. And when you are adding up on that Buddha nature quality. When you are adding up like a compassion, the wisdom, that further, what you call it, move forward. What you said, further? Advances. Yes, it further advances and then when you are getting into the clear light level whatever that advances level , even going beyond that level because the process that you reach there, you know, they go through almost like evolution process, couple of times within clear light. That is just like, you know, almost like putting a shirt through a dry clean. Putting a shirt through a dry clean and then it comes out. Comes out , the nature, the shirt, whatever it is, it remains. It is better and pure and clean, good ones. Which means the same nature, that mind process just like dry cleaning process and that is the clear light, does that and at the end of that, that mind will now becomes enlightened mind. (0.07:39) So therefore it is the same person, same thing coming with all kinds of evolution and gets it. That helps you? Thank you. That’s right. That’s right. Then it’s pervasive. It is the extraordinary quality of the enlightened being which we don’t but we get to certain level. But not completely pervasive. You know the clairvoyant, things like that. These are side effects of spiritual practice, which you don’t really work for but there it comes up. And that goes beyond and better and then it became pervasive at the. Pervasive level is another funny thing. Although the nature of the future may change, but pervasive level, total enlightened person, sees how it is going to change and where it is going to be ended. All of them without any obstacles. So that’s even in pervasive. Sorry I gave you a hard time but I was teasing you. Thank you.

Maybe we will be able to do one more but I should leave it up here. The eighth one, which is again a wrathful one. Yes, yes, very wrathful one. And again it is chocolate Tara. Chocolate coloured Tara , not chocolate Tara. I don’t like chocolate Taras but I like chocolate coloured Tara. That’s fine. And this one has the vase which is the vase that has the capacity for the enemy that has to be destroyed. Our enemy is the internal enemy. Don’t think of Saddam and the praise is the eight praise, that is. Thank you Supa, you made it easier for me. And Sandy and whoever did it. Whoever did it and that is , ( Rimpoche spoke in Tibetan). So I am making this prostration to who? To Tare, to Ture etc and who creates, who has the wrathful body gesture and the most difficult evil that you could conquer is the delusional evil out of form. The delusional evil who will destroy the evil delusion, who grow out of lotus. Your face is a little wrathful. By destroying the internal delusion evil, any other external evil delusion very very easily any other evil external, she can easily destroy if needs to be. So here what is indicating. Indicating two important things. The enemy of liberation is delusions, enemy of total enlightenment is the imprint of the delusions, so this particular Tara does that. That is the eight Tara. I think we have to stop here , it is afternoon. And I like to emphasize one important thing here. Although I am not talking to you much about the white Tara and I am talking to you different Taras, twenty one. But the practice and the meditation that I have given in this white Tara, the Tara box, as well as Tara transcripts but these are, they are the major that will help you much more. More detail, more working, so do read it. I don’t mean you should buy the book but please read it and that means something solid that you can carry with you although I am not giving that particular teaching because that particular teaching I have given a number of times. And the information is available with you with Tara blessings coming to you and any information that you pick up, within the Tara box or transcripts or whatever will authorize you to be able to do it and do all that. That’s why I think it is very important for you not to neglect the other side because there is a number of teachings done on that. Number of times so we try to give you the 21 Tara because of this request was made. You have much more there. You lose this you lose the basics. So that’s what I like to emphasize.