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Soundfile 20090501GRJHNLIWM(03)

Speaker Gelek Rimpoche

Location Netherlands

Topic Inner World of Mind

Transcriber Jim Winter

Date 02/23/2021

0:00:00.0 GR - Thank you and welcome for this weekend. We’ll be talking about the mind and mental faculties, and I believe sort of they’ve given us to do this almost three days, right?

0:00:38.0 Dutch Translation – DT

0:00:50.3 GR- And this is not like initiation, or not like a teaching with you know like if we have the dependent origination teaching, and it had oral transmission and commentary transmission and all that, and it has little rules you have to observe here. Here it is just a teaching, so, don’t have to worry about going to the bathroom, anytime, anywhere, you can go. No problem. That’s what it is, okay?

0:01:43.1 DT

0:02:08.4 GR -I’m not sure whether you can go out and go to a coffee shop and come back, and I’m not sure about that, but you can go out and do anything.

0:02:21.9 DT

0:02:27.2 GR – So today we’ll be keeping the schedule as programmed. Tomorrow on schedule. Day after tomorrow won’t be as long as scheduled. So Sunday I will close a little early.

0:03:20.8 DT

0:03:45.3 I can’t say when we’ll finish on Sunday…but I have to catch a flight.

0:04:24.5 DT

0:04:56.0 So, finish early afternoon Sunday, maybe you’ll have lunch and go home or a half hour after lunch. Not beyond 3:00. Just want to make clear first, because the Dutch people really keep to their schedule you know, not so much flexible, sometimes they are, but not all the same.

0:05:24.7 DT

0:05:41.3 GR - Anyway, so now we’re here to talk about Mind and Mental Faculties. So what I’m going to talk to you about, there is a sort of synopsis written by Kachen Yeshe Gyaltsen. It’s 1800’s teacher and also master of the eighth Dalai Lama and founder of one monastery called Dreep [?] across the river from Lhasa. Those of you who’ve been to Lhasa with us…it was 2007, right? (aud. 2006) yes 2006, thank you. You know where the Americans stayed, in the hotel, across from that hotel where the Americans stayed, and we had a dinner that first night when everybody arrived, just across the river from there is the monastery is called Dreep. He is the founder of that monastery.

0:07:26.2 GR continues - That monastery has been used by so many great teachers to give teachings. Now for example I received Lama Chopa teachings by Kyabje Trijan Rinpoche over there, other side of the river, in that…not in that assembly hall but outside, in the garden. They put a huge tent in the garden. So, I don’t know if there was a loudspeaker, at that time, I don’t remember. But I don’t know the people hear…I have no idea. But it was in that garden. And ah, and so, this is the Kachen Yeshe Gyaltsen who was the founder of that monastery and that is in Lhasa later. But his own original monastery is Nepal/Tibetan border. So anyway maybe that’s enough about the Kachen.

0:09:01.0 DT

0:10:04.2 GR -The word Kachen is equivalent to Geshe’ in the Drepung, Sera, and Ganden, have

this system they call it a Geshe, but Tashi Lunpo system was not Geshe, it’s called Kachen. So Kachen

this and Kachen that is actually referring to the degree is like in the West you earn PhD, or something. I

am not saying its equivalent to PhD just like that so Kachen is the degree and mostly from Tashi

Lunpo and the monasteries that connected with tashi lunpo, use this terminology.

Monasteries connected with the Sende[?]

[ 4-5 Tibetan words used that I can’t decipher]

…then they use the word Geshe. And whether you have a big Geshe small geshela, four different,

depends to some systems, some systems have only three. Kachen also have a “Kachen” [?]

[ 4-5 Tibetan words used that I can’t decipher]

… they have 3 or 4 different levels.

0:11:39.9 DT

0:12:23.6 GR – Among the earlier Gelugpa masters and ah, and uh you know the monks who goes around and do the pujas tsohs all the time right, there are a group of monks who does only pujas, there are monks who does lot of deep studies, you know, those group of monks who does the pujas all the time and they normally say if the first Panchen Lama and the Kachen Yeshe Gyaltsen doesn’t come then Gelugpa monks of those who going to round of pujas will probably die of starvation. You know why? The collected works of the first Panchen Lama, which has five volumes…collected works of Kachen Yeshe Gyaltsen I think is 17 or 18 volumes I think so I don’t exactly remember…but in 17 or 18 volumes and has so many different rituals. Not only has tremendous teachings but also those LOT of rituals. You know, if your child is sick then do this prayer, that prayer. If your elders’ sick with this type of disease do this, do that and ALL kinds of different rituals that’s why those type of, those category monks, if these two did not came those ritual monks will die of hunger.

0:14:16.4 DT

0:15:10.7 GR – Ok. Then having said that their work is not only the ritual work for example KYG has commentary on Lama Chopa. A huge volume…you can’t turn the pages round. It’s too big to turn around. (Laughs) Honestly! It’s huge commentary you know. A huge volume…200-300 pages. It’s a huge volume. Um has a commentary on Mahamudra. Another big volume. And then you have the Mind and Mental Faculties. Both the synopsis and the commentary, both. Both, we have here.

0:16:11.9 DT

0:16:33.6 GR – And I…we do have powerpoints for this but however Pete just now told me he didn’t get it so we don’t have it this time. But I sort of, I thought he has it but he doesn’t have it so later you can find powerpoints. So what I’m going to do is I’m going to talk on the basis of synopsis and refer to the commentary once or twice whenever we need it. Because the commentary is… alone, has something like a … commentary has 101 pages. And the synopsis only have about…even the synopsis are not that short. 23 I think. Yeah, about 20 pages.

0:17:59.1 D

0:18:24.0 GR – Okay, now maybe we can begin with reading from here. Here the explanation of this will come as a part of, maybe, as a part of the synopsis rather than try to explain it, separately. So it may be better to read it straightforward.

(Translator clarifies with Rimpoche. Rimpoche concurs.)

0:19:01.2 DT

0:19:10.7 GR – Its begin with the Namo Gurubye Manjugoshaya. It’s a prayer to Manjushri.

0:19:20.9 DT

0:19:31.8 GR – Then it’s (GR reads first lines of text.) [possibly] “Gompa tanje…

0:19:48.1 GR – (continues in English)

So he says, “I prostrate to the feet of Buddha and then I explain mind and mental faculty according to “Chung Wongbha [?] Wongba is what? Tsur[?]? What is tsur?

0:20:10.1 [TIBETAN references – possibly “abhidharmakosa [?]

0:20:16.1 GR- (continues in English)

But don’t use word “abidharmakosa” in the metaphysical text. You know a lot of times people say “abhidharmakosa” That is Sanskrit. It just doesn’t make any sense, right? Thank you.

0:20:30.3 DT

0:20:45.9 GR – Why you wanted to talk about the mind and mental faculties? Then it says:

(GR reads next lines of text in Tibetan.)

0:21:12.7 GR – (continues in English)

The benefits and the disadvantages of samsara or nirvana they’re all coming from mind. Says number of times by Buddha. So, if you are intelligent person why there is no need for you to know about the mind. That’s what the synopsis says.

0:21:43.9 DT

0:22:03.6 GR – So…when they say, “Khorm Dye”[?]… samsara and nirvana so we’re talking about it this life and the future lifes

0:22:24.1 DT

0:22:31.7 GR- Sometimes the teaching is such a funny you know, when you teach like this, you’ll hear samsara and nirvana, so you people probably doesn’t doesn’t mean anything to you or means something to you, who knows? But if you know how to listen when you talk about samsara and nirvana, you’re talking about this life and future lives rather than something called samsara over there and over here and nirvana over there. So probably people get that picture. If you get that picture saying you know, samsara over here, nirvana over there, then we are hearing wrong. So, we should be hearing this life and the future lives.

0:23:23.5 GR (instructs someone to move.) 0:23:57.2 It’s better that people see you, see you move here later…

0:23:55.0 DT

0:24:44.8 GR – So, you know when we call ourselves open-minded people, spiritual interest people, I don’t know what you call yourself you know when you come here in Jewel Heart and listening to the teachers of the Jewel Heart, um, so you know…I don’t know how that Dutch culture really works. In America we call it open-minded person and not really completely close to the completely right-wing Judeo-Christian conservative…no completely, you know, extreme person who doesn’t see anything else except material life like yuppies, so it’s sort of in-between person. So, we refer to them as openminded person. And I don’t know what you, I’m sure the Dutch has culture to refer something which you know. I don’t. Whatever that is. I don’t know what…maybe the individuals have a different way of looking at it. Maybe you have different way of looking and they may have a different way of looking. I don’t know. What do you call that anyway in Dutch? Is there any German name for? No?

0:27:11.5 Audience response in Dutch – DT – having a broad mind?

0:27:19.8 GR- Broad mind? I don’t know. Whatever you call it. So, got to be that one. Otherwise, if you’re very closed mind, of very conservative, right-wing… Dutch doesn’t have much right? Very strong right-wing people…do you have it?

0:27:43.6 DT – Yes of course. Yes.

0:27:45.2 GR – We do? Oh. Oh. I thought all Dutch are liberated and they enlightened ones… except that crazy guy who was driving that car yesterday. You do have a couple of crazies anyway. So…so…I was watching the TV yesterday and it’s so beautiful…the people celebrating the Queen’s birthday…going here and there and suddenly something happened. I didn’t see the car coming, you know, I was dozed off… I was asleep and suddenly I woke up and all these things going on…doesn’t even know what’s going on, you know. I didn’t even know what’s going on. And then I called Anne, and said, something’s happening, what’s happening? And she says I don’t even know; I’m staying in the garden talking with my mother-in-law. I say okay, thank you. Then I called Naomi and then she said that’s what happened, and she explained to me. Because I know what’s happening, but I can see what’s happening on television, but I don’t understand so I don’t know what’s going on, or what happened to her. Suddenly I saw the bus speeding then they took her out…. just one crazy person can spoil the whole nation’s wonderful feeling and um, everything. You know. Just one crazy person can do that. So, it’s really…. that’s because of this mind.

0:29:39.4 DT

0:31:26.2 GR - Then I came downstairs and the reception, the receptionist sometimes will be convenient, sometimes don’t. And she told me this guy was so employed by the government to clean the park or something, I didn’t really get, anyway, was government employed and kicked out of job, so,

0:31:53.4 [could not understand Gr’s English words here] (laughing) so it sounds very crazy…but you know…so she thinks he should be locked in. That’s what she told me,” Locked in!”

0:32:10.9 DT

0:32:37.0 GR – And as well as those of us broad-minded people who are interested on the spiritual path whether it’s Judeo-Christian tradition or Hindu-Buddhist, or not, Judeo Christian or alternative, whatever it may be. So…the way and how we work with our spiritual path is through mind.

0:33:15.4 DT

0:33:33.5 GR- and then, very conservative people, you know extreme conservative people, which is “available” [? or “valuable” – could not discern] in every tradition, every tradition. You know like in the Judeo-Christian tradition they have a conservative viewpoint. And Hindu-Buddhist tradition will also have a conservative viewpoint. So…we know about mostly Buddha… [can’t determine Rimpoche’s English words here 0:34:05.4]

0:34:09.5 …And all this… they also become conservative because of mind.

0:34:18.8 DT

0:34:43.6 GR – And ah….those who are completely materialistic, who doesn’t think anything about the spiritual path, right? The [can’t determine Rimpoche’s English words here 0:34:56.8] 0:35:01.3 …it is the money which is matter. Or even the scientist who really would like to be fact oriented, they like to call it right? And all of them are working through mind. Mind can make a difference.

0:35:26.5 DT

0:35:47.0 GR – Interesting. Think about it. The artists, the dancers, musicians, painters, script-makers, everything. Again, it’s mind. Isn’t it? Very strange. It’s mind.

0:36:22.7 DT

0:36:32.0 GR – Sometimes some earlier schools bordering Hindu, no, bordering Buddhism/non-Buddhist schools, have said mind is creator of individual.

0:36:53.9 DT

0:37:06.1 GR – Sometimes looks like truth you know, really you look carefully it’s all looks like truth.

0:37:15.4 DT

0:37:18.0 GR – To be good person or not so good person is again is mind. It is really mind.

0:37:30.0 DT

0:37:35.5 GR- Kind person. Mean person. It is totally your mind.

0:37:43.9 DT

0:37:52.7 GR – You want to be kind person. You be kind. And you express your kindness. And you become kind person. You wanted to be mean person, you don’t want to say you want to be mean person, but you somehow express your meanness through… whatever.

Through [can’t determine Rimpoche’s word here0:38:22.2]

through speech, or through physical gestures. So whatever. They are all mind within ourself And that’s what it is

0:38:41.3 DT

0:39:03.1 GR – Then if you let your mind just go…whatever the mind wants to do…you know? If you just let mind do whatever the mind wanted to do, then that individual has called no control.

0:39:28.2 DT

0:39:37.3 GR – And I don’t think it’s freedom. Some people may think that’s I’m free. But it’s not freedom. It is no control.

0:39:49.2 DT

0:39:55.9 GR – Control and freedom is really based on effect of your deeds for you and for others.

0:40:13.3 DT

0:40:18.8 GR - If you’re alone within the four walls of your room you can completely go naked, throw every clothes out. Go naked. Right? Go naked and scream. Do whatever. But it has no other effect to other. But if there’s another person there then you can’t do that because it’s going to affect for the other person. And who makes the judgment of affecting other person or not. A mind within yourself. One side of your mind would like to do that and the other side or your mind will say this will have effect and that will have effect so that is how where you keep your mind intact and manage.

0:41:31.4 DT

0:42:16.4 GR – So everything whatever we do you want to get up, you want to sit down, you want to talk, you want to sleep, all of them are mind. Honestly, whatever you want to do it is the mind that makes.

0:42:50.3 DT

0:43:01.7 GR – Without mind then its becomes something else, right?

0:43:07.3 DT

0:43:10.7 GR – Probably nothing happens for those mind but it will happen.

0:43:17.1 DT

0:43:19.0 GR- The difference between those electronic robot and a human beings made by this mind

0:43:28.9 DT

0:43:36.1 GR – And within the human beings, also, people who are crazy and not crazy, people who are on borderline, All of them are made by mind, I’m sorry to say but…all made by mind

0:44:01.9 DT

0:44:19.0 GR – People who perceive as good, perceived as bad, its also mind. Not only make you good and bad, but also to perceive others is also the mind.

0:44:39.7 DT

0:44:48.0 GR – So, mind becomes not only an important, but the most important within our reach.

0:45:13.6 DT

0:45:24.5 GR – The capacity of the mind is also unlimited. Particularly human mind is really unlimited.

0:45:38.2 DT

0:45:43.4 GR – Looking back in history we refer to Buddha as total knowledge, right? We call Buddha total knowledge. The word knowledge itself indicates its something to do with the mind.

0:46:07.8 DT

0:46:22.2 GR – Historical things that we read, you know, from the Western civilization. Tyranasauras. All of those are, again, somebody’s mind.

0:46:44.1 DT

0:46:57.3 GR – Even we fought those wars, it is also mind and mental effects. Whether it is based on the territorial integrity or religious belief, faith or whatever. It is mind.

0:47:41.6 DT

0:47:55.8 GR – Then the funny thing is, funny thing is we all have it. Everyone of us have our own mind. Really.

0:48:09.1 DT

0:48:12.4 GR – Some knows how to manage. Some don’t. Sometimes mind control the person. Sometimes the person controls the mind. And that’s how we walk around, see each other. And we see the face of individual and say hi and all that but what you really been managed is the mind. Whether the person managing the mind or the mind managing the person. And that’s the question. It’s always the question. And look at the person’s face so whether the mind is managing the individual or individual is managing the mind.

0:48:59.6 DT

0:49:26.0 GR – Most people, the person manages mind. Honestly.

0:49:32.6 DT

0:49:38.9 GR – Some individuals the mind runs without personal management.

0:49:51.7 DT

0:49:58.9 GR – And the worst ones we call crazy.

0:50:01.4 DT

0:50:05.5 GR – And then the rest you figure out.

0:50:09.6 DT

0:50:13.0 GR – So the first thing when you see person, you look at the face. And then you see. But you, over there you see, first thing in the morning or first time. You look at the person, carefully, and saying whether that person is controlling his mind or his mind control the person. You look at person. You probably you can guess. Honestly, you can guess.

0:50:43.0 DT

0:51:05.3 GR – I, the I is one important. The signal giver.

0:51:13.4 DT

0:51:19.5 GR – Unless the person have thyroid problems, most, many of them have just their eyes bulged out, so, unless that person has thyroid problems, otherwise it is good indication.

0:51:41.9 DT

0:52:01.2 GR – And then the physical gesture of the individual…

0:52:06.1 DT

0:52:07.5 GR- Whether the person want to express displeasure or like to express joy, joy, the physical gesture…

0:52:24.9 DT

0:52:31.7 GR – And all of them can give you a rough idea of what type of a person is that or you know we will say why is a good mood or not good mood, good mood or not good mood is in a way it’s excuse. In a way it’s excuse. It may happens one or two times a day, you know, people may have that. But it is more or less excuse. It’s an expression of the personality, personality, rather than… expression of personality. Rather than really a temporary moment. Very little cases is it temporary thing. Mostly you know, when you touch moody, it is the person have a difficult to control his or her mood. Because you don’t want express you moody the moment you meet somebody, moment you saw somebody, you don’t. It’s a clear indication that that person he or she, have a difficulty of controlling mood. Controlling mood means controlling the mind. Controlling the mind means it becomes balancing issue for the individual. That is indication of personality of the person itself.

0:54:44.9 DT

0:55:30.5 GR – There are some people who will say, I don’t care, whatever he is as long as I don’t have to deal with it. And that is also true.

0:55:41.2 DT

0:55:50.4 GR – This is a, I like to throw the information out. I mean you can be anything, whatever you wanted to be, it is total freedom. Whatever you wanted to be. Whatever you are is not necessarily good, not necessarily bad, but I’m telling you the mind does that. And if you are observing you can see it. By your mind.

0:56:19.7 [can’t determine Rimpoche’s English words here. Possibly “No, if you doubt also tomorrow morning to somebody” ?]

0:56:23.6 …you may or may not see it. But if you keep on doing that constantly, not one person, to all different people all the time, you more or less you can look at person and you can form some idea about person but not necessarily correct. Don’t take it as final correct because it will let you down. You can be very wrong. Can be very wrong.

0:56:55.2 DT

0:57:27.4 GR – We have a saying in Tibetan:

[GR quotes in Tibetan: sounds like:“Yanna hope dema shea, anasasu de way shea.]

Which means either you look at that straight away, you’ll know, or you’ll live with that person for three days, you will know. Three days doesn’t mean three days, you know. Could be three years. (Laughs) So [GR repeats Tibetan saying]

0:57:52.1DT

0:58:07.1 GR – One time we had to hire somebody for Jewel Heart America.

0:58:13.9 DT

0:58:19.7 GR – So they went through with this headhunting process, interview, everything.

0:58:26.2 DT

0:58:34.1 GR – Then the final interview came and I was there.

0:58:38.7 DT

0:58:42.1 GR – So every board member’s very impressed person.

0:58:46.1 DT

0:58:49.5 GR – So and then they asked me afterwards, they asked me. I said I will talk to you afterwards. And then everybody curious what do you think. I said I don’t think that person is stable. And everybody says no, no, no, no, definitely no, he’s fine. (laughing) Okay? And then it proved to be he has difficulties, that person had difficulties.

0:59:21.6 DT

0:59:43.9 GR – I look at the person, I saw in the eyes. So I asked him, do you have tired eye problem and he said oh, certainly not. I said okay. (Rimpoche laughs)

0:59:57.0 DT

1:00:07.6 GR – That happens to be one instant. That doesn’t mean I’m always right. Though many of them, you know those that’s in the board, some wealthy Americans and many of them wanted me to meet a person who they wanted to hire. (Rimpoche laughs) Many times. They ask me many times. Many people wants me to have lunch or dinner with someone they think they going to hire. (Big laugh)

1:00:39.0 DT

1:00:56.5 GR – And also people who read other person’s mind they will also, there’s two ways of learning that. One way through a spiritual sidekick, you probably know. Right? The other is learning through the physical gestures of the person and how it is thinking.

1:01:23.6 DT

1:01:37.7 GR – That’s because the mind managing the other person. The expression of the mind is always comes out in the physical way of sitting, way of looking, way of breathing. All that you can see it now.

1:01:58.2 DT

1:02:14.7 GR – Anyway we’re talking lot of nonsense. That is mind.

1:02:21.6 DT

1:02:24.5 GR – And also the mind is since mind manages, mind influences whether you are creating a negative action or positive action it’s also the mind.

1:02:46.0 DT

1:02:55.1 GR – Which means creating suffering for yourself or creating a joy, positive for yourself. It’s also the mind.

1:03:06.5 DT

1:03:13.3 GR – So many teachings will say a root of suffering or joy is mind. If you don’t say creator but root of suffering and joy is mind.

1:03:30.5 DT

1:03:40.5 GR – If mind is satisfied everything’s fine. Honestly. And if a mind is not satisfied anything’s not fine.

1:04:03.1 DT

1:04:12.4 GR – Somebody give me apartment in New York.

1:04:16.7 DT

1:04:21.3 GR – Now they change two three times, but the first one was a small apartment, you know, one bedroom, not one bedroom, one room type apartment.

1:04:37.0 DT

1:04:45.8 GR – And the person made the apartment very clean, very nice. And a wonderful furnitures in it. And so I’m not, I was happy.

1:05:01.3 DT

1:05:11.0 GR – And on top of that there was a magazine and that put my apartment picture in that too. So I think that’s because of, I think, Allan Ginsberg and Phillip and all that. Not because of me. I don’t put that apartment. So I don’t, it’s very nice. I’m enjoying it.

1:05:40.0 DT

1:05:55.1 GR – Then somebody came and spent night or two in the apartment, not with me but in the apartment.

1:06:03.9 DT

1:06:09.8 GR – And the guy told me such a horrible apartment. It’s like an industrial area, it was near the window, there are three or four or five air condition machines of the huge apartment there, and how horrible it is he told me.

1:06:27.9 DT

1:06:41.3 GR – Yes the noise is there. But I don’t want to hear it so don’t hear it.

1:06:47.4 DT

1:06:55.9 GR – So after that when I went there and had to sleep I can hear all the noise. I can hear everything. And they say it is true it is like a real industry so the middle of night I can’t breathe. I have to get up.

1:07:14.9 DT

1:07:26.6 GR – That is same old apartment. Same old person. Same old way of sleeping. Everything but information influences mind and it changes.

1:07:43.8 DT

1:07:55.2 GR – After that, I have to visualize, honestly, truly speaking I have to visualize those air conditions are huge flower gardens and nice, those noises of air going (Rimpoche imitates sounds of air conditioners – Brrrruurrrrurrrr? ) all of them are nice music and all that, so it make me able to sleep, however you know, the whole idea of being, thinking nice apartment all of them been destroyed.

1:08:34.1 DT

1:08:55.5 GR – (Rimpoche reads in Tibetan the verse on dependent origination.) [ Sounds like: “Nyotso yega metok katse…”] 1:09:04.6 You know I didn’t read last time for this dependent origination, you know but the idea is, you know, the beautiful flower garden and the beautiful, wonderful house within the garden, you know, I mean the beautiful garden wonderful golden house, um, they’re not created, they are no creator, they’re not origination, it is, the existence is, um, dependent origination. And one of the aspects of the dependent origination is the perceiving mind. And that really affects.

1:10:07.6 DT

1:10:36.5 GR – Old Tibetan. There’s a Buddhist saying, it says: (Rimpoche in Tibetan: “She den la…)

When the dogs look at, from the dog’s point of view the doghouse is mandala. From the pig’s point of view, the pig house is mandala.

1:10:57.5 DT

1:11:13.4 GR – So that is how human mind works.

1:11:17.8 DT

1:11:22.3 GR – So what it really indicates lot of joy, happiness, harmony, dissatisfaction, and everything is the human mind base functioning.

1:11:53.6 DT

1:12:04.3 GR – That doesn’t mean everything is projected or brainwashed

1:12:12.3 DT

1:12:18.3 GR – But it has a lot to do with mind.

1:12:22.0 DT

1:12:25.2 GR – And that is why this synopsis says any intelligent person who is not interested to know how mind is and mind works.

1:12:41.3 DT (Translator clarifies) An intelligent person is not interested?

1:12:51.3 GR – There won’t be anyone who will not be interested if you are intelligent.

1:12:57.0 DT

1:13:06.0 GR – The definition of the mind is called: (Tibetan words. Sounds like: sel zhing rig pa)

You know that right? Clear lucid mind, right? There are two points: clear and lucid.

1:13:25.1 DT

1:13:33.3 GR – “Sel”, it has many way of understanding. Clear: if you’re trying to light in the dark room the darkness been cleared. That’s also called clear, right?

1:13:48.4 DT

1:13:57.7 GR – Obstacles on the path… What time the coffee’s supposed to be? That’s what you’re telling me. OK. I wasn’t sure what you are telling me or not. Is it 11:00 or 11:30? (audience member confirms 11:30) 11:30, okay. Thank you. Whew! It’s ten minutes after, sorry. You know the obstacles on the road when we just removed, we say the road is clear.

1:14:32.7 DT

1:14:49.6 GR – That’s one way of understanding of clear. But I don’t think it’s the way the mind is called clear, no.

1:14:59.6 DT

1:15:09.1 GR – Mind clear, means the nature of the mind itself, a clarity, ah, or capacity, to be able to get it, get it in the sense to understand, to picture, to project, clearly, clearly.

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1:15:52.4 GR – When we’re talking to somebody, talking to, and that one person’s trying to express something, the other try to get a picture clear, and they don’t get a clear picture, you say, you know confusion, maybe this, maybe that, and it is also the activity of the mind but not the right activity. It is a defective activity because it is confused. The right activity of the mind is perceiving it clearly.

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1:17:01.1 GR – And lucid is lucid, you don’t have to explain.

1:17:05.9 DT (asks a question of GR) What’s the difference between lucid and clear?

1:17:09.5 GR – Clear is something which you can perceive and lucid is something more. You can feel it and understand and analyze and get it right. You have the double capacity. You know some like a mirror has the capacity of reflecting but it have no capacity of analyzing right or wrong, reflecting. It happened to be right. But mind has the capacity more than getting the picture but also the capacity to see right and wrong. Particularly when something goes wrong with the mind. The capacity of clear projection of receiving the picture has no problem. Everybody will get it. But the lucid analyzer, right or wrong, quite a problem. And that’s why, that’s why, you know, mentally imbalanced or whatever. Because of that level. Because two, right? Clear. Lucid. Sel zhing. Rig pa. Sel has no problem. Rigpa has problem.

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1:19:35.3 GR - Okay? Let’s have coffee first.

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