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Sound file 19920100GRCHDW01

Speaker Gelek Rimpoche

Location Chicago

Topic Dreaming and Waking

Transcriber Astrid Tovar

Date 12/23/2021

Good evening, everybody, thank you for the introduction.

(0:10)Ok, The topic tonight is dreaming and waking, umm I am, I am not sure if I am dreaming or I am awake, (hehe) so so so do all of us, anyway let me just begin, by saying when we look as a human being as human nature or as a being um, there are certain factors are involved, the mental, factor, the physical, emotional, and all of those factors are very much important, for as to be existed as human being, all of these, you are also have a very beautiful wonderful nature as a being, wonderful quality and great beauty as a being, you all have it. (1:40) But that beauty of the wonderful nature, sometimes or most of the times, do not shining out and we do not encounter with others in that nice wonderful manner at all, as in mater in fact aah (silence) (2:12) we have a tremendous amount of anger, hatred, jealousy, fear and we will sort of, into, we will, (2:36) react with other human beings and other beings, even animals, all this, we always do that we react in that manner, and everyone we are by nature this a beautiful being, and then why we’re not shining out as beautiful why we don’t encounter with each other as a beautiful, a loving kindness as beauty we always talk, we don’t.

(3.11) So, what’s happening, that is the question, what is really happening is, that beautiful nature and other real human nature deep inside the guru one, is our reality of awaking state, what we are awaking or what know we are doing, when we are aware of what we are up to, what is that, what is that, (3.46) what we encountering what we are doing, that be can be good, so that is the good nature, when it shines will be the awaking state because we are, good wonderful and we will express that, out, but we cannot many times, we are aware of it or we are not aware of it, most of the time unaware of what is we are doing and We will give the expression of anger, hatred or jealousy whatever it is, and we always do that; most of us, will do, when we react to another person, I, don’t you agree with what I said, have you done, you think so, but most of us unfortunately do, if we see, when somebody say something nice say, your neighbor or somebody as doing something nice, most of the times, oh this is very nice its, wonderful, but, has a motive bala bala bala, also the things you can say, right, as well as when somebody at looks at you slightly different, how many times you will interpret, right, you will interpret in some many ways, perhaps, you know uhm it happens many times, perhaps you have some kind, and the loving and caring nature and look to somebody another slightly different, the other person thinks you you have a crush on that person, you keep a crush on me or something, right. (5.45) That’s a one way way we interpret, and another way a slightly different look, you have. you immediately react and the Saying ah! You seem certainly, so we are, what that means, we are actually expressing, mostly, the equal, Those are the delusions anger, hatred jealousy, all these type of things, we always react, with other people, most of the time, anyway. (6.27) That is almost the, a dreaming state, in reality, we are not awaking we are sort of confused, we are not a clear in what we are thinking, we are not clear in what we are doing. In the, protects of I don’t know, the rather whatever it is self-respect, whatever maybe some kind of under protection something we always responds to the others differently, this is our problem, our problem is our dreaming state, that we live mostly, (pause) (7.22) I am no going to say, oh dreaming and awaking state in (7.43) oh I must say very clear I am not intention here to interpretate the dreams that we will have, ah that ah no the is no the idea at all if you are looking for that sort of things I am sorry you are gonna be disappointed, uhm I don’t even know ohh my own dreams, so all of there is, there’s no way a can interpretate them, in doing so (7.54) that’s out of the question for me, but the dreaming state, the state of our mental state, of what we living mostly are we living in waking state or are we dreaming, and that is the question and to me, what I notice in most of us, is I living and expending our time on dreaming state, our waking state is very limited, very limited (8.25) always dreaming, well some people may say, you should have dreams, if you don’t have dreams you are not going to be very effective on human beings, or something like that, so I don’t know know anything about that, I am not talking about that, I am talking about in principle in the spirituality progress and in principle of own spirituality development and in relevant with that our state of mind and our and what or how are we functioning that is the main concern with us.

(9.09) So, when we are functionality normally, or functionally mostly under the control of the delusion, very very pure (9.18) period what we can see totally out of the delusion you just begin to see something more than what we normally (9.37 ?? incandescence ? )something different outside, I am not quite sure number of you people, will have or had such experience of a slightly of what I call it a glimpse, outside the daily dreaming life, tightly, slightly reality outside glimpse and the, beautiful wonderful once, however, you always find difficult to maintain that state, and always looking for, trying back try to find that state try to live on that state, that’s what we always do.

(10.17) If you have experience before. If you don’t have the experience you are looking for something, something of something different, right, and that state, state that we really are today not only that we are in that state, but we also have a lot of more problems on top of that, the problems that we encounter, we do have a lot of fear, actually everyone of us accept or not accept very much controlled by fear, afraid of something, all the time who knows what, but we always afraid.

(11.07) We are very much afraid of losing. Something. Which is any way to do, we keep of losing all the time. As a Buddhist, that a Tibetan Buddhist traditional I hope (11.25 laugh he he he), Am. (11.29 pause) I believe in the reincarnation, when I believe in the reincarnation, and I see the number of lifes that we changed, so naturally every time when we change a live, we will lose a life do you dream on any (12.03 ??)remind any we lose a live, every time when we reincarnate we, we live previous life, recall it nice way we live previous life, another words we lost a previous life, so we finding another new one and that's how we reincarnate, right.

(12.25) so we keep on moving our lives a number of times and that is a very strongly birth within us, so no matter whatever we are how small we might have, been the fear is there always, permeating our lives we are afraid since born, since childhood we are afraid always, because we have lost the precious life because we have lost our youth, we have lost our wealth, everything, number of times. Countless times, according to the Buddha and that's why we have a better stone engraved in in ourselves and that's why no matter no reason without any reason you're afraid always because we lost enough. (Pause)

(13.33) That is our fear, because fear is fear of losing, losing whatever, yeah, because we have experience lost number of times that's why we are afraid all the time. Then on top of that we have the pride, right. (14.05) The great I, The big dic, the big dictator, as The Saddam Hussein dictator not, but we do have a dictator in ourself, all the time, big self, pride, which of course, you say I, I'm the most important no matter whatever you say you, you, me, deny, everybody will say I do not consider myself so important I consider always helping others service and this and that. do to do too the truth however we always have importantness of I as the most important.

(14.52) There’s a way you can’t deny if you think carefully within your thought, that is our biggest problem the big dictator called I inside we keep and that dictate you a like, dislike, that is the dictation that give you, like, dislike, right.

(15.18) Like, dislike on the, on the ground of, in the on the sort of approval of the big I inside, we making, like and dislike, accordingly we act, anger, hatred and attachment and that's how we can and most of our life is always sort of function in that manner, of course a lot of exception for a lot of different people but very basically that's how we live, that is, that is from the spirituality point of us our live is. (16.10) That make us busy all the time. That will not give us a time to think, if we think we don't want to hit certain spots, certain spots are very sensitive, certain buttons are too sensitive to push, we won’t like it, trying to avoid that's all because of those, as the result of that, we tried to live a dreaming life.

(16.50) On the other hand what do we have?, we have a tremendous (pause 17.05) capability, as a human being, we have a kindness nature, we have a beauty person as a being, all of them unable to function, unable, to, such there’s a limit to others, we cannot react what we have, we cannot share with others, we cannot help others, we cannot express the beauty nature with others, we are handicap, the handicap it’s not from outside, it is internally we handicap. (17.45) these are our delusions, which make us handicap in that way. It is sad too, we live in that condition, and the days goes, time goes and perhaps then you will die at the same condition too, if that happens then we have loss again but only if we have lost the ordinary life but we have lost very important, very valuable tremendous value opportunity more different than that of other life that we have, today as this is different, I'm not sure whether you're going to believe it or not, Buddha said it is different, and as a true, its a true in the sense today we have a a capa… capability, we have opportunity to solve these sort of a problem what we have what I mentioned for the last couple of minutes, whatever spoke here, its once for all you can we, we have the capability to be able to clear that, pause (19.29) and we do we have interest to clear that, and we do have interest to help ourselves, we do, and if you don’t have interest you won't be here, and you will not be in this society be you not be in tonight, what for, it is (19.49) only indicates you do have Interest, you want to do something, normal new age language whatever you call that I've lived that your your individual thought for whatever it is, ah from the traditional aah rather of Buddhist point of view and enlightening individual, our liberating the individual from the the the problems that we face, or helping others and to be able to clear that problems, and that interest we have, each and every one of us here, do have that interest is there anybody who I'm not interested of that if I said would you raise your hand and I am sure (20.44) no one will see any a single hand right there, hopefully not. (20.47 Laugh) So that indicates we do have an interest and if you cannot work and we cannot will something, and you can’t do something you are gonna loose that into also that is a rare interest, To tell you the truth it's a rare, you may think is not rare, we got a number of people here, but compare this number of people and the compare with the people outside who have more interest for the spirituality path for whatsoever. (21.23 pause) Whatever the reason might be, right to some they think you are crazy, and to some they think I mmm don’t know, I don’t know what they doing something funny whatever it is it's, you know of that, to some it’s too difficult they can't do it, nothing there’s no opportunity, it’s too much pressure, number work, to pay bills and economic pressure, just can't do it, can’t follow, so ,that itself indicates (22.05) but under whatever partakes it may come, if you try to get your own best friend or roommate or whoever or whosoever maybe try to get that individual try to interest on the spirituality path they give you 110 different reason why they can't, yet you can, it's tells you how you life has the opportunity, believe it or not, that is your situation you are far better than ahh those outside there, I do not know why but it is, so under those circumstances, while this opportunities is there, and while you have interest and while you can would so , (23.00?) wonderful all sort of out sort a incarnation round problems, if we would (23.10) lose that opportunity, it is terrible Big Loss much different than what we lost lives number of times different that’s, what Budda said I do not know how hows gonna to do that , but that’s what Buddha said

(23.32)so it is time for us to wake up, wake up and do something, doesn't matter whatever you do, do something seriously, which as or whatever you follow Hindu, Buddhism, whatever to that Christian, wherever you follow who cares, but do something do something to help yourself, ourselves, to benefit ourselves, it is great to be able to help others but it is important to help ourselves too, as a normal American said what tell it begin at you a homeyard or backyard, or something right backyard, that’s it, so when you wanna help, is the, the help begin with ourselves. (24.36 pause)

(24.40) Friends it is time to wake up, if you don't wake up, keep on dreaming it, and it’ll go, it’ll go at the dreaming, till you die you’ll go and you die with that too, a number of them did, and there are no difference for whatsoever, that is then it is a waste, so it’s time to wake up, wake up and be alert (25.10 pause )

(25.17) wake up from the delusion, wake up from anger, wake up from hatred, wake up from jealous, do something, something to help the individuals whatever you follow it doesn't matter, as I am repeatedly telling you as long as it helps individuals (pause 25.48)

(25.52) you’re not helping individuals you also need to see, if you think you being helping and probably you did and help, but that also that problem too, so this is very important to know that you are helping yourself, if you think you are helping yourself, that's not good enough, so a awaking state, that also big awaking state and literally awaking state and all of this, right, when you just begin to, if you feel fall asleep and even started to wake up little bit and half asleep half awake up state and that will our waking up our internally we cannot have we cannot expect more than that we cannot expect fully alert at this state but even we are half awake, half sleep, half waking, in that state, and then you need to know what are you helping yourself to make sure that you're waking it, waking it.

(26.56) So to check whether you are helping yourself is or not helping or not is you should check yourself how you are a responding to the problems, if you are improving to respond to the problem that encounter with you, improving, there you are helping whatever you're doing that's helping you.

(27.31) Instead, instead of you are helping yourself if you become a more controlled by the delusions then you’re not helping, whatever you're doing is something wrong, it is time for you to run through with somebody check with somebody, correct collect more information and check with your use your intelligence or wisdom if you have it, if not intelligence.

(28.09) I believe that is how you have to, when you wake up, I know when you're doing something and that's how you check, whether you're doing, if you cannot check what you're doing is right or wrong then it's just like you know, you probably sitting over by the powerful current however you keep on thinking you're saying you're gonna cut grass on sometime of the day. And then, and bet you could waste your life your whole life doing to on that too it is important to check to yourself. (28.44 pause and sigh )

(28.54) These delusion so what we call, so far, anger, hatred and so an forth, we have automatic sort of reaction with us, always we automatically function with that, that is how why because as I'm telling you, in our previous lives, right in our previous lives, I'm sorry if you don't believe it, heh but I do so I am going to say, in our previous lives we have been under the control of these delusions.

(29.41) so we automatically respond (29.48 ? in period ?)of those delusions, its our habituated pattern or if you will like you are very much addicted to it, this is our addiction, (pause) and I'm not talking about the the the the the people who are addicted in alcohol or drugs or something I'm not talking about that we that most of us have bigger and more dangerous addictions than that of alcohol or whatever.

(30.30) we have a strong addictions of anger, hatred, jealous, all of this, this is our biggest addiction, believe it or not, that’s what it is, so we have to get that out, we got to change it, when I said do something that is that's how you you change your habit, you patterns,

(30.54) These patterns and forms by having a big impression or engraved in our consciousness, If I am not a Buddhist I would have said on our (31.09 ?full ?) but since I'm Buddhist I just say consciousness, I don’t know what that do any difference or not, (he he) but then sort of an acceptable word, right,

(31.23) So we have that big impression, these impressions will give, the patterns in which will work so as I always constantly, we repeat, You know what Buddha said Buddha said, we are in the, Buddha used the words samsara, we are (31.48) in the circle of life continuing, samsara.

(31.52) And Buddha also said when we are function in samsara is though our karma, cause and effect, the word karma, you all know, right. Cause and effect, so the cause we will always create, which is negative cause so, wherever we go whatever we do we're not totally fully happy, we always encounter problems, right, if not this, and that, right, (32.23 pause) (32.30) If not mom, then the children, the problem we face all the time. If not that the bills, right, if not the bills then the halt, so all sorts of things we constantly have the problem continuous, that’s what the Buddha labels them a Samsara, that is a Sanskrit word I am sorry I am using it, it’s the continuous, it's the circle of life continues, ok?, so somebody has to make it, it continuously (33.14 ?run?), right

(33.21), and who makes it continuously (33.23 run ?), nobody else, ourselves. I'm make sure my Samsara continuous, that’s what I do, why (33.34) do it because I have the habit, habitually I am doing it without the thinking without awakening with the sleep with the dreaming, I am dreaming I'm making sure my samsara continuous. (33.55) As long as the samsara continuous, I have my problems to continue so in another words I am continuing to making sure my problems will continue, (34.10) that is our dreaming state, of what, what we do, so when we wake up, it changes that, recognize we are creating problems for ourselves try to do something different try to change the habit, pattern, working with anger, jealous and hatred, and I'm sure some of you have probably would ever think hey anger is not that bad, it helps and helps me to express it helps me to get out of my system makes me feel better, all about all it helps me to be able to say no, yeah that's true I don't wanna fight with that, in a way it has some kind of different little benefit, through anger, because (35.15 ?it’s in a thing ?) everything blaming everything to yourself, and I said I did all I, I, I Blaming if you know we are soo extreme, sometime of sort, sort of pride, because I’ve been am saying, I am roof the top of everyone else, right we will always do, somehow and on the other hand you (35.40? going too, over a thousand?) I am the source of problem I created I am nobody hold it, is only my(35.46) balah balah balah balah (laugh) we have that extreme action, to ourselves, through which (35.54 ? we told as I?) (36.00) who told you to ourselves only but either pressing to ourselves too high or pushing too down and most of the time you beat ourselves so bad (36.10) so hard on ourselves, I do not know in America people do more, what are you are the culture or childhood brought up or or whatever it is I have no idea. (36.25) but you like to beat yourself quite a good (laugh) you do that. (36.33 noises) (36.38) No Point, it is not your fault whatever you do it’s not your fault, people always think it’s my fault it’s not your fault. Along with me, there’s something continuing with me, what Buddha called Samsara, that is the quenching (37.00?of humiation? of a terminated, right, in time?)

(37.08) no? it's this sort of filthy uhm, contaminated that’s all continuation of a contaminated being we function and the problem is that, not us not you not me not individual, but individual will have that contaminated continuation, and that is the problem, ( 37.37) Buddha introduced that as Samsara. Buddha put a finger on that. Said source of the problem, and Buddha said if you want to get out of your problem cut that out, (37.50 laugh) that’s what it is (37.52) instead of blaming yourself, that was the one and that is the totally full of attachment jealous and anger and of course above all ignorance. (38.05 pause) (38.10) That is our source of problem (cough) and the once you are able to cut that out you continuation of this samsara circle, going continue, be able to cut through.

(38.31) And Today surprisaLy in United Sates. It is totally different, than couple of years ago, really you have a tremendously opportunity whatever you want to do, all this if we look if I look in all Tibetan history, how did Tibetans had to work hard to try to get that information from the Buddha’s thought from India, (39.08) there go all the way from Tibet, to India, you cannot fly, there’s no road (3.14? non sense?) with a great difficult to have to go, and when the turn to able go now only two maybe able to return, they certainly die, because of heat, because of all, also of anything, so with great difficulty Tibetans have been able to pick it up The Buddhas’s real through experience

(39.38) Teachings from India and be able to take it out and kept them in Tibet (39.49) by not having contact from outside, and that’s (39.55? you ratical?) Tibetans help them do (40.11? by no snowball ?) right.

40.13 either nobody can come up nobody can go out, (40.16 there’s a snowball) good, great thing. (40.20?) And its get there, get kicks out. Or they can get in, whatever it is, anyway.

(40.13)So, they were able to preserve and likewise, they Hindu traditions (40.19?? gen?), sic, Muslim, todays Christian, everyone of them have its own path, at least you somewhat, and the previously what I am talking, we had to work hard and get those things with great difficulty today in the United States is a valuable everywhere, almost, you have to, heh heh instead of traveling you probably have to open you yellow pages or something (laugh) it almost in that matter now, in the newsletter Flyers all this advertising, all of this everywhere all this opportunity is really flying out, who knows how long these opportunities can remain, probably not very long, you can not grant it, you take can not take grant it all of this.

(41.30) so in a way you people are luckiest of lucky, more luckier than a previous generation, all the other generation before that could probably going to be the more likely than the younger generation too, maybe, maybe not, but that's why I said the opportunities there, but not only you have the opportunity, but you also have the interest. If you don’t have interest, no matter whatever the opportunity is there you not gonna be interested, as I told you earlier. If your roommate it’s not going to really into it, ready not going, not, not interested, probably, they think you are crazy, whatever you are doing (42.22) unfortunately there is no sort of black and the white sort of scientific evidence which you will tell measure it and tell you, hey you at this level now you're gonna go to the next level and there's no sort of scientific measurement which you can come out and see it black and white, as you spirituality development, right, and that is the problem. if you have if you can measure with something and then you can say, you can say ahh yeah , I am in the level 5, and they also will have to acknowledge, but our mental status is beyond the measure of the mechanism or whatever it is or electronics or whatever it is, (43.08 ?to say standard it is, to say a standard status it is ?) beyond is that's why our spiritual development we can not measure it, (43.18) is this unfortunate it, if the standard of the the computer or something comes up better maybe one day it will be able to measure, that will be great, (clear throat) but one thing, rather than external machines can measure or not but internal mind is a direct to ourselves doesn't nothing (43.50 ?hiding?) so you can measure yourself what are you improving or not improving,

(44.00)the Buddha always has said, round I am not gonna quoted, what you means, meaning your status of the mind is not Mistery to yourself, if you think and if you check, whatever talk with on, or whatever going on on my head is it clear to me, maybe your confusion, a little bit, even there you know it, what you’re doing, right (44.32 pause) recording cut.

(44.51) So even there's no external computer that’s not measure but internal mind can measure ourselves, but it's a very often you should check yourself whether you are improving or not improving, pause (45.14) rather you are handling your problem I'm sorry it sounded it like George Bush because are you better for years ago I I hope the answer is no this year (laugh) (45.28) I'm sorry (laugh) I'm sorry I'm not gonna say, let me check you sounded like: are you better 4 years ago (laugh). (45.38) But it, ahh, but you have to check, yourself, that’s the thing Am I better 4 years ago? How’s that. I am not talking about economical, I am talking spirituality, so that’s how you handling,

(45.58) I believe that’s the, that is so that is the sort of really bottom line, of dreaming, waking state of mind and a function, as long as you are functioning totally under the habitual patterns without awareness in the control of anger, hatred, jealous, you are dreaming state, the moment you aware are of what you're doing, you begin to look you, begin to check you begin to trust it, that you begin to think, twice and the generating love-compassion and altruistic activities (46.43) that's including yourself too, and go altruistic means helping others right, but helping other beings you cannot exclude yourself, so remember the charity begins at the backyard, right homeyard at… ( 47.00) I am sorry (laugh) , sorry,

(47.05) charity begins at home so helping others began to helping ourselves, the moment we can help ourselves through that pattern you can help others much easier, if you don’t know how to help ourselves, you pretend to helping others, that’s the danger of for (47.27? are you going…?found out?)

(47.31) So if you can do that and checking and then you are waking state.

(47.40) I suppose I am finished what I have to say I can take questions few if there is.

(47.54) Yes Sir,

(47.58) Question: ehm um You said we must ah to wake up from anger and hatred, is all anger bad?

(48.08)GR: umh I, I I'll thank you I thought I answered that earlier, already because I said there are some people going to tell you that all anger are not bad, anger are good anger. I know I think I heard some therapist even use anger to try to get a system out of the individuals, I’m I'm answering you slightly different here, from the spiritually point of view all angers are bad. All angers are bad, why is it bad? because this is so expensive, it’s extremely expensive, (48.49) I don't know who can really won to get angry from the spiritual point of view, it’s very expensive.

(Man’s Interruption (48.58) uhm I really have to say this, because, uhm but I don't know, what you accept the Bible or not, but the Bible says, ah Jesus loves righteousness and hatred (49.08unequally?) and Bible also says be angry and said not, and my point is, (49.14 ?that was anger that get away with the marching in this country, and nearly most part of the XX century, and it was anger the force the path of the civil right, the civil rights blood of 1960’s, without anger a lot of a lot of injustices, will still be around )

(Replied GR 49.31) anger and the ineffectiveness is a two different thing to me I'm not very familiar with the problem but I'll be very difficult for me to accept Jesus has hatred, hate’s true wrong side, but but my background and your background maybe slightly different to my background and all this great people has a love compassion equal to all yet that does not mean they will let you walk all over you, you can visit, you can fight, without anger, (50.25) civil rights builds, you said right, civil rights, I'm not very familiar with American history I'm sorry, I'm very ignorant on it, however, what a little I know of it, what little I see of it, the key of the compassion, the Martin Luther King Jr. has raised his taught I'm not sure whether to all sentient beings or not I'm not sure, but to the ahh people of difficulty in law, particularly in the minority, it’s very much of love compassion oriented, rather than anger oriented, and if you used social injustice, to fight against the social injustice, anger as the instrumental you going to run out of the fuel, things will not get to do, but if you use a love compassion as a substitute for anger, this struggle will continue till it achieve is result, and I know it, and I'm a Tibetan, who lost the total country to a Communist Chinese, (51.49) that’s what I said I I’ve been kick out of Himalayas of my homeland if I have to fight back with Chinese with anger forget it is not work but with love compassion to all, and the particularly to the future Tibetan Generation, and the love-compassion to the freedom, all love to freedom instead to continue to fight, The Dalai Lama today, he used the love-compassion as a key, Gandhi used Non-Violence as a method, and I believe Martin Luther King used the same method,

(52.36) Interruption from the man: Don’t you think, Gandhi and King, were angry?

(52.40 GR ) I doubt it very much

(52.42 Interruption Man: I very think they were)

(52.44 GR ) I'm sorry I’d like to be wrong yeah (laugh) I'm sorry, sorry

(52.51)Question from a Woman: whats Whats your definition of of a compassion rather than?

(Reply GR 52.56) Compassion, I’ll tell you why that Gandhi is not angry, Gandhi doesn’t hate (53.06 ?the village?) Gandhi does not wants to destroy ?village?, Gandhi wants the freedom for the Indians, particularly the law Indian cause so it is the more allowed in the care for the people that he work for, rather than hate and destroyed, anger by nature is the destruction, by nature it is destruction, and a hatred,

(53.38 GR) I do not believe Martin Luther King hates the ah Caucasian Americans and I think he loves the America in general and the particularly black Americans and that's why I said it's a loved oriented, I'm sorry yes

(54.01 Question), when you talk about reincarnation, sometimes, maybe somebody remembers the past life, but when you are speaking this second isn’t just like a memory, and I would want to make a 2nd comment I want to make a comment on this once you decided that we have a computer we can measure it.

(54.23GR) may be (laugh) may be

(54.26) And I I I may be refer, to the statement you made of number people may have experience in their life, and you know if There are experience with anything like it what may happened to some of us, it’s sometimes it doesn’t have a (54.42?grade?), uhm it is more that you can put into a (54.46?grade?) and I am sure you know that, how do you reconcile, speaking and of course and I need to speak to an audience in this sort of uhm perspective.

(54.58 GR reply) I do agree with you 100%, spiritual development experience, is a very difficult to measure but what I said if the, you know like computer or whatever the scientific development, if their standard can come up to that level there will be time to able to measure it, that’s what I mean… at this moment it is difficult, I do accept number of the people do have definitely experience, that experience is known to the individual, it is a better difficult to judge or measure, people do get lot of (pause) uncommon, may I say in considerable experience, through help of anything individual, meditation (55.58 ? politics ?), even (pause)

(56.06 ?Drive to certain extend among thing around us, to other people) so and that path happened you know I mean this happens is it difficult to measure I totally agree with you, (56.23) your first part of the question ri- incarnation, you said what is a memory or what is this is about that

(56.32) ???Man of the question: Most of it in the same experience, sometimes the re incarnation doesn’t come from us you know you are not really worried about where you been or where you going we are too busy, and uhm I guess in the new age language maybe what I said, just in being.????

(57.01 GR Reply) I heard you, but I do have a difficulty with that, be here, to be definitely present is very important, but I don't think that is the total answer, I doubt it very much if it is the total answer, it is important and irrelevant to me where I'm going, it might not be that important where I come from, because it’s a past it’s a never repeats, where I'm going will be future which me the individual has to go through it, has to get experience and basis of the karmic law, I've created my Karma that on which I'm live in the future is now, I create now, so it is important for me to know what I'm doing the important measure to be at the present is to affect in the future, that’s my understanding, so

(58.27 interruption) what would it take for one to aah wake up spiritual and umh to do that

(58.35 GR) Good the kick in the butt.

Laugh

(58.39 Man )uhm to do that

58.41 Laugh

(58.43 GR Reply) and do need a good kick, (laugh) the kick, could be the gentleman of the days before you that said, external experience or the awakening of your karmic link or alike or awareness intelligence all of them will take, that will be the kick you do need the kick (laugh)

(59.14 Man questioning) You’re talking about a kick with the foot or (laugh)

(59.19 GR) (laugh ) whatever, whatever kick, you get it, (more laugh) I am sorry

(59.27 man laughing) if you kick me then I'll wake up OK ?

(59.33 GK) aha (Laughs) Thank you, thank you

(59.35 Man) No no You do it. You kick me, ok?

(54.38 GR ) Thank you

(59.40 GR) Yes Lan, yes

(59.45 Woman Question) I am having 2 problems right now in understanding a thing, in Buddhism I know there is 5 elements in your functioning disassociated at the time of death but, how can we explain uhm, having a feeling, or some experiences on having a consciousness being in contact, with consciousness that exists after that, having any consciousness exists after that.

(1.00.08 GR Reply ) Suddenly, 5 elements, and what did you said.

(1.00.15 Woman Question), How do you wanna describe it, by internally

(1.00.16 GR Repky) Whatever it is, ok 5 elements and all this whatever you said disconnect, there are subtle and the gross elements, the gross elements will be disconnected but the subtle elements will go, the consciousness is a continuation, of this continuity and that consciousness also have a companionship of a (1.0046 ?fall?) which is based on the five elements or 5 wisdoms, and that is a definitely continue, no question ‘bout it, they will be dissolve, you might have heard that the earth dissolves on water, water dissolve on fire, fire dissolves to air and air is dissolve to consciousness, but there’s no evident to that, right?, are you, if that Is so.

(1.01.12 Interruption) ???? 5 substances

(1.01.14 GR) From the substance of the consciousness, the 5 skandals and 5 wisdoms all of this, there are gross part of it and subtle part of it, but even the consciousness, even the being, even the human being, the beings itself that has gross and subtle, the subtle will continue, the gross will dissolve, there's no problem for that at all, but whatsoever, what you leave when you die what you leave you leave the body, the body is the gross body you (1.01.43 live? Or leave?) you leave behind I mean then you go, the subtle body and subtle consciousness will go, the separation of the gross body and the gross consciousness, of the gross Skandals if you like to, (1.02.01 ?to form sound … thing?sort of thing) accord to that, but don't think, again, do not think that is if something like it, you're going to the bathroom and come back and change it and in a new dress it’s not like that either, you know, I I was tell, I was when I learned that I was really disappointed because I was really (laugh) I’ve desire to live continuedly the forever, so when I learned, you know why is that is not like a changing a dress and coming back, I was disappointed, but the but is the sort you know of very strong dissolving, it’s very very subtle it's some kind of a continuation something that is almost together as looking to the present life I mean it's totally irrelevant to the present life but almost looks like a irrelevant to the present being too, but it is relevant, and is continue it is difficult to point to understand, I do agree with you yes ma'am you still have a question

(1.03.10 woman questioning) yeah, one more. uhm If you are (1.03.12?function in? )desire in Buddhism too and the samsara, but you are so attached, addicted, to attachment (heh) to life, and some element of life when to the attachment to say it is worthy

(1.03.28) GR Did you say lite? Or you said life, oh ok.

(1.03.32 woman) I said life, I mean this Human life, how you can ever post to it, how, what encourage me to me ever you are a person that makes them want to end it, attachment if, even they see some beauty in this life, as this even worth all the problems, and all the subjects.

(1.03.47 GR reply) Attachment is Buddha referred as glue of samsara. It is the glue you to make you stick to it, ah however, there is thing called impermanence, and a changing impermanent, impermanence is a key to cut the glue, of the attachment, that is the key, Impermanent. Impermanence is something very important, you know that, it is there it is the weapon through which you can separate from the attachment, as well as impermanence is the (1.04.32 ?room?) for functioning all the Karmic System Karma System. So that is within us, Impermanence will make you cut the glue, that’s the key no question, at all. As I, as I simple said you know, but that I mean just that you have to figure out how it works and all this but it’s just that, (laugh) that’s what is.

Yes, Sir,

(1.05.08 Question) Are you attached to your belief in reincarnation or has to your religion?

(1.05.10 GR Reply) I do not believe, I am attached it, If I am attached it, I should I am sectarian fundamentalist. I believe I am not.

(1.05.32 Man interrupts) How about the believe in reincarnation?

(1.05.34 GR) I believe it, I am not attached it, I believe it, that's why I told you, when I learned it, it’s not a changing of dress, I was disappointed, probably, there is attachment, so.

(1.05.52 interruption) ?? What ?? learn is the difference, of group when you spoke to people in other countries, ??? at are any difference unique in difference about America’s (1.05.59 ?point? of view.

(1.06.10 GR) Americans are totally in need me (1.06.16?? ) for sure, (laughs)

(1.06.17 interruption) How about this statement???? talking to you

(1.06.26 GR) And it depends you know some places there are quite a lot and the some places you know ah ah the little I I spoke to 3-4 people or 30 people to 6000, 7000 gathering together I mean, I don't know it depends wherever it is whatever the organizers do probably accordingly to that I don’t know.

(1.06.56 Question) If there’s anything unique about American Psychology, or theres…?

(1.07.02 GR) Well I'm not psychologist myself, so I don’t even know, but I definitely encounter a tremendously amount of emotional problems, (1.07.10 ?higher low?) emotionals, and this is not American unique either, it’s everywhere, but America is very open and if there's difficulty in opening, express and they are happily they openly say it, in Asia that’s the culture that would likely to suppress the difficulty and other life of sort of go that's that's there, and basically to tell you the truth, the most of the Americans that I encounter are very kind in nature, definitely much more kind and more straightforward, some of course not, but the most of them are kind and straightforward, basically, other cul.. other cultures are more reserved and sometimes more mean. Thats the truth, so.

(1.08.14 Question) Would you describe what techniques a person would use, or maybe the technique you use to wake up, say specific (laughs) besides…besides of the love intelligence

(1.08.33 GR) Wisdom, meditation, both analytical and a concentrated meditation. Beginning understanding then thinking and meditation these are the 3 steps: Learning, thinking and the meditation, meditation here is both analytical as well as concentrated, both. It is important, that is the key actually,

(1.09.05 Interruption) Aha. how long say each day would a person meditate? To ah

(1.09.10 GR) Depends on what your meditate, ok now, we can now normal when you say meditation in the West these days you do have some kind of understanding of basic revenues and meditate you have to sit down and… and shake your shoulder a little bit and do something you know (laugh) or turn your eye in the air or whatever it is at that might not necessarily be the kind of meditation I'm talking about it. I'm really talking about basically picking up of the causes of the problems like you know, Buddha had a very interesting like, the call it the 4 noble truth, and try to understand that 4 noble truth and 4 noble truth, through the suffering, through the cause of suffering, path and the cessation, right. And the truth of suffering is just to acknowledge, recognize it and acknowledge. And through the cause of suffering is to finding out and get rid of it. Through the cessation it’s to (1.10.14 ?open ?) and through the path is how you open, the way through will you open. That is a very good thing, is very simple, very easy, good kick, (laugh) yes lady?

(1.10.33 Question) how do you recognize, your case of incarnation, How do they know that you are your last incarnation? There were like the stars, or something?

1.10.42 GR reply)r I have no idea (laughs) what I do know is when I was a kid I remember the people keep on coming and telling me you are the reincarnation of this and this and that and my father is keep on arguing and the monastery people will keep on arguing and the final (1.10.58 ?when I realize?)is putting me in nice little robe and put on big throne and everybody is coming up around that's what I know (laughs and claps)

(1.11.15 GR) so

(1.11.17 Question) would you consider clairvoyance as a part of the continuance of Samsara or in the thing of it

(1.11.24 GR reply) No

(1.11.25 Interruption) or in at different level or is that the result of practicing the principle, that you discuss that?

(1.11.29 GRr eply) Clairvoyance is 2 different things, there are one clairvoyance it’s just without any effort people born with it, sort of a gifted, in the normal western language it’s just gifted right, so you don't have to put any effort in that, you just born with that and you will learn and develop, uh that might not be the best one, the best one is when you develop individual through the spiritual path in practice and you begin to know it as an a …side effect you know like when you take those allopathic, doctors medicines which I do, and then you get a side effect right, likewise (Laugh hehehe) when you develop the spiritually development you get a side effect on seeing and knowing things and these are your own development result. That your own clairvoyance. And I am suppose, I think that's all I'm allowed to ahh thank you so much for everybody being here and thank you for the organization for having me here and good luck to all of you and WAKE UP!

1.12.32 (clapping)