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Soundfile 199330101GRARCOM15

Speaker Gelek Rimpoche

Location Association for Research and Development

Topic Compassion in Everyday Life

Transcriber Diane Millett

Date December 28, 2021

0:00:00.0 … and the rebirth and that makes us forget and then not recognize. Otherwise, it is the same person. If you go beyond our present block we can say to each other “Hey, how are you, remember? I saw you, ah, two million years before summer.” (Audience laughter.) And that is, that is really possible within us. We do have that. But the death and rebirth make it not recognizable and we forget.

I was specifically requested by a couple of people to speak about death today. Um I was, I think I ought to stop here for um a break and when you come back if you are still not too bored with this, I’ll try to talk a little about death and then question and answer. Thank you. (Applause.)

0:01:23 Um … I remember (inaudible) speak much about the death and dying because a number of people requested me so I said I’ll try (inaudible) the subject. One of the … one of the reason … ah, I just now during the break ah one lady asked me whether there is any difference between the love and compassion. And also I should say that … um, one of my teachers used to sort of hold his …ah one of my teachers used to hold a paper in hand and says love and compassion is the same as — he said look here — when you fold the paper this way and when you fold the paper that way. And so it’s very similar to that. Meaning, the compassion is emphasized on removing the suffering and the pain the person experiencing whether it is self or others. Identify as compassion.

0:02:53 But love, on the other hand, wants to have the joy and good feelings … make the person, making it happy and joy, and that is the love. And so, it’s whether you fold the paper this way or that way that is the difference between love and compassion. I’m sorry it’s rushed that I’m saying it but that is how it works. Normally we always say, “I love you” and people say that, right? What does that really mean? What does that mean? I want to be possessive of you? Or, does it mean I want to make you happy. I don’t know what the message behind it is. So anyway, that’s what it is.

0:03:46 So getting back to the point, and the compassion, like the compassion, if you die by meditating on compassion or pure love, not attachment, but pure love. Pure love to a, like an extraordinary object like a Buddha or something. Pure love to fully enlightened one. So if you, sort of go through your dying stage with that sort of meditation you’re sure to be connected to a perfect karma.

0:04:34 Now the death stage. Very briefly, as I’ve been, as I talked this morning somewhere, actually the death itself really means disconnecting yourself. Disconnecting yourself with the normal whatever you are used to it. Normal (inaudible), normal persons and everything. So finally, you’re completely disconnecting it. So when you are become (inaudible 0:05:07) you will be disconnecting yourself with your own elements within your body.

0:05:21 Did you hear me? The elements. The first element which you will give up in your body, our body is the (inaudible 0:05:30) element. (Inaudible) element will give up and you do have signs of external and internal. The internal signs will be — what is it, I forgot (GR then audience laugh). Internal signs will be, you’ll notice a lot more of sort of a feeling of water ish like a mirage type of thing. There’s no water, it’s a mirage. And then a mirage. And then followed by smokey color. Looks like there’s a lot of smoke in the house, room or something. Then by that time the water element signing off so the fire element is picking up a little bit because … gives up, the water picks up, you get a mirage, and water element signs off the fire element picks up and you feel smoke. Right? When there is a smoke making sure there is a fire, right? (0:06:53 Tibetan). See the sign smoke, there’s a sign and there’s a fire. So similarly, the fire element’s picking up more because the water element is gone. So the fire element picks up so you get a smokey color.

0:07:08 — 0:07:17 (Pause)

0:07:17 Then the fire element goes off ah, then you get, uhm, (talking in background then GR says, ah? yeah, that’s right. Then you get some kind of a … when you look at the sunset or early morning, and you see that as sort of reddish, ah, that beautiful orange type of thing, all the time, you see, all the time, right, every morning, you people are here you see every morning so you can see so that time of reflection not looking at that, and that gives you reflection over here sort of a little bit of reddish type of reflection you get, right? And that sort of feeling will come up.

0:08:13 That is the first (0:08:15 - inaudible) gross sign of assigning of the gross elements. Followed by … ah, by … a whitish feeling. There is a lot of reason inside that you know. If I go for this is going to be 2 - 3 hours, so. So there’s that sort of a whitish feeling. So you probably feel almost like looking at a gray weather, sort of a gray thing and not so much light but sort of grayish feeling but we call it whitish. Followed by sort of reddish feeling. It is the is gray is taking over fire again by the fire (0:09:09 inaudible). Now the subtle disconnecting it.

0:09:15 Followed by the darkness. Then you go into darkness, total darkness. So the consciousness, your conscious … you may lose conscious, I don’t know whatever, depends on the individual without that 8 ?? steps. Some of you lose conscious, however … however, however, until you lose the conscious if you’ve been concentrating on love or compassion or something like that then death itself is neither virtue, it is not non-virtue, it is sort of a neutral thing. So whatever the mind, the last mind, whichever you have consciousness, your conscious mind — whatever that was focussed on and that will cover up the period of death itself. I’m not talking about a high level person who will be changing the death as in the clear light and all this, I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about as an ordinary ah person like me, normal person like me, when you’re dying, so these are the steps and then the consciousness, before you lose the consciousness, it is covered with love, compassion, or praying or concentrating on enlightened beings or whatever it is and that will cover the dying period itself. So, the next … when you come out of the darkness and then there’s a subtle moonlight, full moonlight type of feeling, which is really called death stage, dying itself.

0:11:14 Did you hear me? Dying itself. And followed by what we call bardo, intermediate stage. You’ll enter intermediate stage. The state in between this life and the future life is called bardo which is the intermediate state and that is a very complicated one. I’d rather not talk now as it is.

Anyway, when you enter in the bardo state, the state which you went through as these 8 steps and the dying process will reverse completely, will reverse back. And back to the same old level where we are. And that sort of level yet in bardo state.

0:12:08 In the bardo state a person will die again. As the send period — send away and the maximum period of bardo is 49 days anyway. You die in that state and take rebirth as a human being or something then gradually rebuild up everything up to the age of 24 or 25 or whatever after that the process of everything, building it up to fully build up and then again it started going reverse again. So started going down. The process begins — we talked this morning — so.

0:12:53 That is about, very, very, very briefly about the dying state. So I should give you some time to question and answer, so, here you go. Anybody. (GR and audience laughter.)

0:13:21 (GR calls on audience member.) Yes? (Audience question.) Some teachers imply that you may wait several hundred years before you’re born again. I’m interested in the different teachings. Tibetan seems 49 days for everyone for sure or for some?

0:13:41 (GR answer.) I’d say bardo period, the period in bardo is a 49 days. Ah, the future life might not necessarily be human beings. To be able to come back as a human being it is possible it will take that much time. So basically if you look in the Buddha’s teaching ahm, what the Buddha basically divided ah, every existence into two categories. The category of samsara which is you have no control, your karma controls and goes, and nirvana, which is free. Free, you have a choice, everything with a choice, which is called free, nirvana. So the Buddha divides between the two: samsara and nirvana.

0:14:46 In samara ah, you almost have, like ah, ah, about 32 or 33 spots where you can go. And that, basically, is divided into 3 genres called desire realm and form realm and formless realm so all of them together within the subdivisions human being will become one of the subdivisions in the desire realm so if you divide them all together there are like 33 or 34 or 32 depends how you count it. So. So that sort of the spot where you can take rebirth. Some of them are picnic (??)(0:15:53) spots and some of them that are difficult spots. Some of them are formless, formless, formless means spirit-like. There is no form, no physical form at all, so formless. Four of them are formless. So there are like 32 or 33 places where you can go. So in order to reborn as a human being it is possible, but it may take a million years. It is possible.

0:16:35 It is also possible you can come back within the 49 days as well. No, not within … after all Tibetans. So that’s what the Buddha says.

0:16:47 Yes? (Inaudible beginning of audience question) … similar to what Catholics would call purgatory?

GR - I have no idea what the questions is. I don’t know what … to do.

(Audience question) Catholics believe that right after death you go to what they call purgatory which is a place of a … ah … ah, of reviewing what your life is and determining where you will go from there.

0:17:18 (GR answer.) Ahm, I do not know the Buddhist’s would really accept that as reviewing and making decision on …, however I think it is the sort of the place where you wait, it is a waiting room. It is a waiting room. It is a waiting room. Yes. Waiting room. Ah, maybe not a room, but actually it has a tremendous amount of ah, amount of um, freedom there. Some have tremendous suffering as well but there’s a tremendous freedom. Freedom. (0:18:00 GR speaks in Tibetan.) It has tremendous karmic power … so much so that no one can stop it and it is, the body is a mental body not a physical body so whenever mind can think anything else and, you’re there. Because it is a mental body. So, just now, we, whatever, wherever we want to go, we have to drag this body. Really, you have to drag that body and at that time you don’t have to drag the body, you just think and you’re there. So you can sitting here, and ah think, like you know like in downtown Manhattan, you’re there. And think about downtown Tokyo, you are there. And think about (0:18:52) and you are there. Or India, or whatever it is, the moment you think, where ever you think, within this world, and if you think fromless you may not go to the formless. (Audience laughter.) That’s right. But any form level, you got there. But you may not be able to find rebirth in that. It depends on your karmic link. So until you find rebirth anyplace, anyplace, until you find rebirth anyplace, you are waiting in the bardo period. The maximum is 49 days. After that you have to take rebirth somewhere else.

(GR calls on a member of the audience.) Yes, please?

0:19:38 (Audience question.) Are you familiar with the Tibetan Book of the Dead?

0:19:41 (GR answer.) Yes. (Audience laughter.)

0:19:47 (Audience question continues — first part inaudible.) … description of the bardo state?

0:19:53 (GR answer.) There are a number of Tibetan teachers who will totally put faith in the, ah, Tibetan Book of Dead. Ah, some of my teachers, particularly important teachers, ah, will not accept the Tibetan Book of the Dead. I mean, they think it is a great thing, however, you cannot literally take it. And here used to make jokes (inaudible 0:20:24) this morning, … this morning, he used to make jokes. So you can do anything that you want to in your life and make sure somebody will read the book when you die. And it becomes a very simple and easy, so things said in the Book of the Dead might not necessarily literally you can take it. Some of them. Particularly, I mean you, particularly just by the reading the book alone, by somebody at your death bed, ah, might not necessarily be liberating you.

(GR calls on a member of the audience.) Yes?

0:21:11 (Audience question.) What do you think of prayer for the dead?

0:21:17 (GR answer.) Prayer for death have a tremendous effect. The effect, that positive effect what we can do to the dying person is only through prayer and the dedication. The dedication of positive karma and prayer. That is the only thing you can do throughout. … How it work, how it work, everything, whatever we experience, good or bad it bears on our karma. Right? The word karma.

0:22:00 The karma, to be able to function, depends on the conditions. It the conditions not right no matter how strong karma you have, it may not be able to function. Karma depends on conditions. (Some words inaudible here. 0:22:23. The … prayer … all have effect on the, on how the conditions will be shaped. … There is room for grace, there is room for (inaudible) There is room for prayer. Because the karma depends on the conditions. And that’s how it works.

I’m sorry I said … very short way … I should be really talking, giving you examples, and then go (inaudible 0:22:55) that’s how really it work.

(GR calls on a member of the audience.) Yes sir?

0:23.02 (Audience question.) In the bible I see, both heaven and hell. In Buddhism, is there the equivalent words for heaven and hell and if so, what are they? What are the Buddhist words for that?

0:23:14 (GR answer.) The Tibetan, in Tibetan the hell called, hell is called a and I believe in Sanskrit it’s called 0:23:27 (please check this) Narak. Sarac and naraka. (Inaudible 0:23:34) Sarac is heaven and narak is hell. And in Tibetan it is a ??? and d??? (inaudible 0:23:43) and it’s called the pure land. There are a number of pure lands we talk about. and the pure lands are not part of in there. (Inaudible sentence 0:24;00.) Pure lands are different. So we call it, we call it pure land. So there are a lot of different pure lands out there, too. And that’s not only a picnic spot but it is a nice place to go. (GR laughs, audience laughs.)

(GR calls on a member of the audience.) Yes?

0:24:24 (Audience question.) Is it possible to talk to the person that has died and to take them through steps to help them and I’ve heard that said and I don’t know whether it’s true or not that you can, a person could reach enlightenment at the time of death … and kind of working with that person?

0:24:50) (GR answer.) Ye…aahhh, but (audience laughter) if the person has reached to the level, if the person has that capacity, then with your little help here and there, that person can definitely (inaudible 0:25:06). So there’s a word for that in Tibetan, we call that (Tibetan word 0:25:13). So meaning giving additional suggestion for your concentrated meditation.

(Continuation of audience question.) …dead? Clinically? When you’re talking to him?

0:25:27 (GR reply.) I think you can talk to him before he is clinically dead. But, the person who has no idea what you’re talking about it and if you talk to that person during that period (inaudible 0:25:42) it completely goes over head of that person so might not be very useful so, I’ve been, one question, one question this morning, I’ve been, I’ve been, I’ve been suggesting we should chew what you can bite. Or you can bite or you can chew (GR laughs, words garbled, 0:26:10). Right? So that is the main thing, ah because at the death stage if you try to talk to something over head of that person might not be materialized. Yes, it is true to achieve enlightenment at the stage of the death. It is absolutely true. And that is where we are talking about a very high level person who have extra-ordinary developments. And those extra-ordinary developments, at the beginning of this ah, ah, workshop the other day, I talked in the same, I said the Vajrayana says transform. Didn’t I say that? A little bit of Vajrayana propaganda. But Vajrayana says transform. Transform. The transformation — one of the things, one of the things, really things is transforming the death, the ordinary death, transformed as extra-ordinary, what we call it, Darmakaya. It’s a Sanskrit language. It is, ah, Darmakaya, it is ah, some kind of um (0:27:32 GR asking a question in Tibbetan).

0:27:39 (Inaudible, then GR speaks.) Cosmic consciousness? (0:27:44 Someone answers in Tibetan.)

0:27:49 So anyway, transforming it into the thing called Darmakaya, and ah which is really substituting the ordinary death, really skipping the death and cheating the death and making it into, transforming it into — did you call it cosmic consciousness?

0:28:15 Okay. Well, let’s use that for it temporarily, yeah. But that’s what it is, Darmakaya, that’s what you can do and you’re supposed to do. And for that we are talking about very high level. And that’s different altogether.

0:28:33 (Audience question/comment, first part inaudible.) … Born in the Eastern world, we were automatically raised with reincarnation. We were also raised with one other concept which is very difficult for the Western mind to understand and that concept is transmigration about the fact that you can be born as another species. The Western mind … and they even make a joke of it, you can come back as a dog, But the fact is we were taught that as children in the East. What is your opinion about that?

0:29:02 (GR answer first words inaudible.) Thank you. (Audience laughter.) Excuse me. Um. I don’t know my opening, but, as you say, what I’ve been taught, we can definitely come back as a dog. And you can definitely come back as a different animals. As I’ve been telling earlier, there is a 32 or 33 different levels where you can be reborn as a reincarnation. And there is no certainty, there is no number, there is no turn, first you go here and then follow there and then follow there, there is no such thing called a turn at all. It totally depends on your karma.

0:30:10 When you die it is just like even now living here we are almost, you know — one of those great Tibetan teachers used to give example — the leaves of the trees, autumn trees when they are, drop their leaves, and then big storm comes. That happens in Michigan, maybe not happening here, but. And one big storm comes and carry all these dry leaves somewhere, and then get them in a corner somewhere, and they stay together for a little while and then another storm comes and carries them in all different directions again. Very similar to that. The moment you die your consciousness is gone and (0:31:04 tape seems to blank out here) … wherever.

0:31:13 And gradually you have your bardo intermediary stage and within a number of limited days you’ll be taking rebirth, you’ll be connected, wherever it is. It is not only my rebirth but (inaudible 0:31:32) But we are talking about every creature ever possible. That is the true fact because there’s a number of incidents and record and all and, and, also, things are there … it is a true fact.

0:31:53 (GR) Yes, sir.

0:31:55 Does this mean that no matter what you do in this life you don’t, you don’t necessarily get a chance to come back as a human being?

0:32:01 I think it helps, it helps to be able to come back as you wanted, whatever you do in this life because how does karmic work? Like (0:32:16 GR speaking Tibetan) so how the karmic works is karmic, whichever you’re used to with karma works fast for you. The karma often doesn’t work in cue and doesn’t work in that way, cue, whichever is stronger that materializes first and whichever you’re used to it those things you’ll pick up first. Only, ah, I did mention to you, did say, what I said was, if you had a (inaudible 0:37:50) before the death that will be (inaudible 0:32:56) with the virtual karmic. So that is how it works, you know. The linkage, the linkage depends on using to it.

0:33:07 The practitioner, what we call the practitioner, we do practice every day for that stage, we practice every day through the meditation period so we will try to set up the condition in our mind so when it comes, we will recognize and be able to click to one of the positive (inaudible 0:33:30) so that’s why what you do in good things in your life will have different effect there. And some Tibetan teachers used to joke, the earlier, in the traditional period, the karma takes a long time to go around and now it goes around on your fingertip. (GR and audience laughter). And it does make a difference, yes.

0:34:00 (GR) Yes? (Audience question.) In connection with what you mentioned with um, conditions affecting karma, do you believe that when a person finds himself in a karmic situation that there’s anything you can do including prayer to resolve that .. that situation … to resolve the karmic situation quickly? And finally. (Audience laughter.)

(Big sigh.) (GR answer.) You know, one of the characteristics of karma is called definite (?0:34;43) . The definite meaning once the karmic rebirth started picking up, once the conditions are right the karmic rebirth started picking up, you cannot do much. You have to wait for the time to gather (0:35:03 inaudible). That is the karmic characteristic of the karma, it’s called definite. That’s why we experience when something goes wrong for every connection everywhere if something seems to be going wrong. When you get into trouble you not only get into one trouble, you get into two, three, four, five together. And that is how, because that’s the karmic thing it works that way.

0:35:34 (GR speaking.) But what you can do, the best thing, is to alter the karma, is before the conditions set right. That is the time for intervention. When the time is set right (??? 0:35:50) But even though karma is set wrongly, and you feel it is past the time, but however, if you worked hard and the time goes much faster. And it changes by that and one changes and everything seems to be getting better. From the … Once the better karma started everywhere things improving. ??? At the same time, that’s how we experience, I believe that’s how it works. I can tell you a lot of stories and quotations and even that but really but really, bottom line. Thank you.

0:36:37 (GR) Yes? (Audience question.) Do you believe in seances? (GR) What’s that? (Audience laughter, then continuation of audience response.) Where you try to communicate with the dead.

0:36.50 (GR answer.) Well, yes. Alright, (clears throat). There’s definitely people who are working on this and they’re definitely not telling a lie. They’re definitely communicating to somebody and who that somebody is that you’re never sure. That you’re never sure. Even Buddha said so, that you’re never sure. What happens is particularly if you are a human being and each one of us when you take rebirth as a human being, there are a number of spirits that were also born with us. A number of spirits. Spirits were born with us. A number of them! And each one of those spirits that trigger our own identity. Our own identity. They will go by that.

0:37:51 When the individual human being dies these particular spirit will not die. Some of them will live. (Inaudible 0:38:01) For a number of years. Some of them even millions of years. And those spirits, each one of these spirits will identify by those individual’s name. And they can communicate. And then all your spirits which only you know but they all know. And they can share that with you.

What we do in Tibetan Buddhist tradition, particularly in Vajrayana tradition — there are seven period of times that are particularly during the initiation period of Vajrayana where the spirits are not allowed to come in that through the power (check word 0:38:51) they blow them out. So during that period, whatever has happened if you ask that spirit it cannot answer. (Inaudible 0:39:01) that’s how we know.

0:39:04) Some people ask … true individual. That true individual is no longer bardo but can be reborn in the spirit realm as in some kind of um, re- Buddha … Buddha normally categorized them as whatever good or bad, whatever it is, they all are categorized as hungry ghosts. And there’s one slot called hungry ghost slot (0:39:40) and categorized in that, and at that level they have all the information, all the power, to be able to communicate through a medium. Yes, I mean, that is there.

0:39:0 (GR calls on an audience member — cannot understand his words.)

0:40:04 (Question from audience.) Ah — We talked about the 49 … we talked about the 49 day period and then talked … and then going on. Ahhh… communication with the dead … feel like … that 49th day would be it be more difficult — is it possible that there’d be another ah … they’d go into another energy or whatever where at that distance … you wouldn’t be able to have that communication that you could the first 49 days?

0:40:38 (GR answer.) Excellent. To tell you the truth those people who sees them after after they’re dead the person doesn’t look like a dead person at all (GR speaks Tibetan 0:40:54) The bardo person is a looks like he’s a future life whatever it is and he has (inaudible 0:41:00) and the face of the future person maybe young, maybe age 5 or 6 or something of that period rather than past person figure. The past person figure, the person who came with the past — the past person figure is most likely one of this period (inaudible 0:41:28).

0:41:33 (Audience question continues first part not audible.) … past appearance? (GR answer.) Yes. (Audience question continues.) .. more highly likely. (GR answer.) Highly likely in the bardo period to be … to be the spirit in the period … rather than the individual person you think about over there. (Audience question continues.) What I was questioning is that cha … that, ah … transformative energy on the 49th day, is the communication (GR answer.) Easier. Easier. (Inaudible 0:42:0) It’s also for the people who are leaving behind, the loved ones who are leaving behind, who like to do prayers and things like that and have effect to that is also easier during the 49 day period. Because the life in bardo is easier to alter and make change. Or to (inaudible 0:42:31) can be done.

0:42:31 (Audience member speaks.) (Then GR.) During the 49 days. Easier, yes. (Audience question.) So … after the 49 days it could become more difficult. (GR answers.) Um… little more. Little more difficult. (Inaudible talking here 0:42:48) but communication but alterations that you wanted to do. A little more difficult. Communication depends on if the person taking rebirth in the spirit realm and then (inaudible 0:43:00) if you don’t have a ???. I mean it’s difficult but you can do it.

(GR calls on audience member.) Yes? (GR says I’m sorry … ) (Audience member question.) The …. literature indicates that (inaudible 0:43:15) until age 29. A big portion of his life up to 29 was spent traveling in Persia and the Far East according to some of the literature. And if that is the case, ah, in Tibetan Buddhism or in the Far East is there any mention of these (inaudible 0:43:43) in their religious writing?

0:43:50 (GR answer.) In Ladog Ladog you know what Ladog is? Ladog is, ah, now a part of India near Kashmir, and in Ladog, there are a number of caves in which they say Jesus been in here. And there are a number of — I do not know — whether there is really a document that really says that it is, but people say Jesus been here and there and a number of them caves and points you can see in Ladog. If you talk to the elder generation in Ladog those are people who are in their 80s and 70s, and they will tell you. When I went to Ladog, in 74 at that time the Indian government has put Ladog under a restricted area. You cannot go much there. But I was fortunate enough — I’m a close friend of the head lama of Ladog, ah, a great person, by name of (GR speaks Tibetan 0:45:10) incarnate lama and he took me around and he showed me those caves and he doesn’t speak English so first he keeps on telling me it is the (inaudible 0:45:27) meditation room. And I say what is (inaudible 0:45:28).

0:45:28 And then after that … say (inaudible word 0:45:30) that is (inaudible 0:45:31) According to Jesus, and the a number of them in the older generation can tell you it is there. That is the only (inaudible 0:45:43) the older ones talk to each other and ah I did not see anything in writing at that period onward. Afterward the guide book I don’t know whether they wrote in there or not. And that’s what I had experienced with the head lama of Ladog. In Ladog. And he told me, a couple of them.

0:46:07 (GR calls on an audience member.) Yes? (Audience question.) When the lamas consult the oracles ahm, who or what are they consulting? (GR- Pardon?) When they consult the oracles, who are they consulting?

0:46:23 (GR) Who are they … what is the … (More from audience questioner and a little back and forth between her and GR, (“what did you say” “okay” then GR answers.) Oracles, you know … Oracle are is different. The story of the oracle … not a story, but how oracle work is totally different. The oracles are actually comes into the (? inaudible 0:46:53) of individual. That individual who is using as a medium will sort of, I think we should say in the Western language, it goes to sleep. The individual’s consciousness is closed. And is not aware what’s happening. Some people do more for them not aware. The oracles are important enlightened spirits sort of particularly identified with their own identification and they come in (inaudible 0:47:35) of those, in the body, of those individuals. During that period the individual itself is sort of asleep and the message whatever you can get, getting, whatever you ask questions and answered by that particular oracle in his own way rather than individual and tremendous amount of messages, not only lamas, but also lay people and everybody can ask questions to the oracles and they can give you answer.

0:48:21 And ah answers are not absolutely clear, some of them, some of them are but not so but answers are there and if you know how to read it, the answers. If you know how to interpret the answers it is the, it really authentic answers you get. It is sort of a the individual go to sleep and then the oracle will take over and you get all the messages that you want to talk. But some of individuals do hear little bit here and there and then it is just a little bit difficult. Difficult. (GR calls on audience member.) Yeah.

0:49:08 (Audience question.) Hello. We need to stop pretty soon. (GR) Okay, yeah. Yes? (Question.) What is the purpose of the extra spirits coming in when the human being is incarnated that you referred to. (Another audience member says “can’t hear you.”)

0:49:21 (GR) The question is when the human being is reincarnated, what is the purpose of extra spirits coming in. Extra spirit, enlightened spirit have much more information and authenticness than what we, human beings, know. So therefore, to get more guidance you bring that.

(Audience question first part inaudible.) …after they’ve passed on. You were talking about sometimes they take on the identity (GR answer.) Not that particular spirit. I’m talking about oracle. Yes.

(Audience question.) Are they like angels?

(GR answer.) Ah … yeah, you can say that angel, yeah. They are like angels and they are like different enlightened beings that come into (inaudible 0:50:13). Yes? Oracle, you know what that is. Yes. (Inaudible words here. 0:50:18)

So anyway, thank you so much, and um thank you for audiovisual, thank you to you all and I hope whatever we’ve been talking I’ve been talking, wasting your time, I hope you have some use out of that. Thank you.

Applause.