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åSound file 19950400GRNLFF(05)

say Speaker Gelek Rimpoche

Location Netherlands

Topic Fear and Fearlessness

Transcriber Vicki Cahill

Date August 5, 2023

GR: If it means something work with yourself, then in that case it’s almost creation of your own consciousness. (DT) If it means by establishment. Then probably you have not so much to do with that. It is established by itself. That’s not right, but without you, it creates there. (laughs) (DT) Then what is the third question you put?

Translator: The third one. Bring into being.

GR: Huh?

Translator: Bring into

GR: Uh. Bring into existence is, you did not contribute to bring into existence. But you did. You did not directly contribute to its existence itself. Somehow you’ve got something to do with the existence because there is a common karma which also contributes to it. (DT) But then there is another very questionable point. Questionable as well as unquestionable. Which is Dharmakirti’s point in saying: 0:01:38.5 (Tibetan: Nam she…) So, Dharmakirti pointed out matters cannot become mind. Mind cannot become matter. (DT) It’s there. That’s there. That is big. A group of people will accept this is absolute authentic and use this to prove previous past and present and future life existence. And followed by the: 0:02:27.9 (Tibetan: jo…) So, therefore the mind has to be the continuation of mind. Yesterday’s mind is continuation of day before’s and child’s and so and forth and birth and bardo and previous birth. That’s how one way they trace. Looking into the reincarnation business. That is one way of looking at it. (DT)

0:03:17.0 But then there’s another point. Another point where really can be, be go off. You know. The matter and mind can contribute to each other and there’s a very, very strong point in that. (DT) I have no answer. But these are the points I’d like to raise up. And so that, if you are thinking. If you are looking at it. If you are meditating. These are the wisdom part of the practice actually. (DT) It is always. It is always very important not to make quick decisions. (DT) Like, you know, you can read this. Mind works with mind and matter doesn’t become mind. You know, the sort of thing. And then you make final decision on that. You’ll say, 0:04:33.5 (?) on and doing it. A lot of people do. As a matter of fact, lot of teachers do. (DT) But that might be a quick decision. Too quick decision. (DT) So, anyway, they’re there. So, two tough questions in the morning. So, that’s fine. It’s a good thing. You know, really good thing. I’m glad you people are thinking. (DT) Actually if you are. If you are seeking liberation that’s the way how it goes. (DT) Any other questions? (DT) I hope not so tough one. (DT) No question. Yeah, you do.

Audience: How come there are still questions?

GR: Huh. How come there’s still questions? (DT) Because we’re not liberated. (DT)

Audience: There’s the question the people (unintelligible). (DT)

0:06:06.3 GR: What did he say?

Translator: Well.

GR: What did you say?

Audience: 0:06:12.4 (??)According to people (unintelligible)

GR: (laughs) Good question. You know the answer to this is called, good question. (DT) Uh. I’d like to say one thing to you. There’s a lot of people will say, “Ha. Truth is one. If this is true there should not be two. Truth is one.” (DT) Do you think that too? Yeah, it has to be. Right? If it’s truth, it’s truth. Am I right? If it’s truth, it is truth. Other one cannot be truth. Right? (DT) So, for your information sir, Buddha doesn’t agree with you. (DT) So, Buddha always present two truth. (DT) There is a relative truth and absolute truth. 0:07:17.5 (Tibetan:..) So, the Buddha says. Buddha says. Buddha established profound. There is two truths. By his own personal experience. He did not agree with a third truth. Though he said Four Noble Truths. (laughs) I’m just joking. That’s too different. 0:07:48.5 (Tibetan: ) So. So. Didn’t I hear there’s somebody who’s reading seventy verses of emptiness by Nagarjuna. Was it here? In here. No? Or Ratna Mala or the Jewel Ornament. Not Gampopa’s Lam Rim but Nagarjuna’s Jewel. Nobody here. Right? So, maybe it’s New York. Sorry. Anyway, this is where it comes out. 0:08:37.7 (Tibetan: ) I think it’s here. Somebody told me yesterday. It’s not you. I thought somebody told me yesterday. Huh?

Audience: Alfred.

GR: Alfred was not here yesterday. Ok. Anyway, doesn’t matter. Whoever it is. This is where it comes out.

0:09:11.6 (Tibetan) So. So, the Budda did not learn from other person, there’s two truths. And he felt and experienced and understood and acknowledged. (DT) 0:09:36.0 (Tibetan: ) So, what the Buddha had discovered the truth on everything is there’s a relative truth and absolute truth. (DT) So, there is no third truth at all. (DT) So, that’s the word. Uh. So, that makes. That makes it’s difficult. Because enlightened ones cannot tell everything because there’s two truths. (DT) Even it did, doesn’t work. We don’t get the message. (DT) I think that’s what it is. (DT) Alright. So, any other questions? (DT) Yeah?

Audience: There’s two truths and isn’t that to do with the third principal?

GR: These two truths have anything to do with any the principal. (DT)

Translator: The third principal. The third.

Audience: The principal about samsara and nirvana experienced, same time

GR: Oh. You mean to say, are they. Are they related? The nirvana people experience one truth and samsara experiences another truth. No. No. No. Because the truth is truth. Whether it is in nirvana or in samsara, truth doesn’t change. There’s two truths. Relative truth and absolute truth. Both will not change. If it’s change, you’ll lose one. If you lose one, you’re wrong. And the example here is, Chandrakirti has given (DT). This translation has been very helpful. Because I get an opportunity to think. (laughs)

0:12:06.4 (Tibetan: ) In Chandrakirti’s 0:12:18.1 (Tibetan: U ma la jug pa) So, it’s called. Uh?

Audience: Madhyamika-vatara

GR: Madhyamika.

Audience: vatara

GR: Is it? Ok. Madhyamika. Yeah. Madhyamika-vatara, That’s right. Yeah. You’re right. Madhyamika. You’re right. That’s a Sanskrit name. U ma la juk pa. Is the Tibetan name. Meaning it is following the center of the middle path. Following the middle path. Or explaining the middle path. (DT) So, it is the famous Buddhist metaphor which says, when the bird flies cross the oceans, needs two wings. And this is what the two truth. And if you have only one wing and if you don’t have the other one, you circle it. You don’t go cut it. (DT) And also another famous Buddhist metaphor, this also you know, when the moon shines, every lake and every water in the world has the reflection. (DT) And in absolute truth. In absolute truth there is only one moon. (DT) But in relative truth there is every reflection of moon in every water. All this are used by them a lot. A very famous Buddhist metaphor. (DT) And also it is very similar to the activity of the enlightened beings. So, if you lose one of the truths, the activity of the enlightened beings be limited. Anyway, all sorts of problems. (laughs) (DT) All right, Bob the vegetarian. What you want.

Audience:

GR: that’s two Bob’s. There’s one over there and one here. Are you vegetarian?

Audience:

GR: You are. Whoa. I’m terrible. See, that is the truth lost. So, I’m trying to refer him, Bob the vegetarian. Ok. Now. Go ahead.

0:15:01.8 Bob: what I wondered was how can when the truth’s relative, yet it is still changing. When something’s relative it has to change, because it’s related to all things that will change surround it. Truth cannot be the same.

GR: Right. Truth changes. (DT)

Bob: (Dutch)

GR: Truth changes. But the truth does not become untruth. See. This is the point. (DT) Ok. So, let us change the subject because maybe we are going too much on the philosophical point and then maybe a lot of other people are getting bored. (DT) Alright. So. Did you raise hand? Lean?

Lean: Yes, because I was wondering talk about two truths and dualism. And Buddhism is non-dualistic. So, what is that?

GR: Good question. (DT) Two truth. I don’t think it’s becomes dualistic. I think dualistic. We just mentioned earlier. Perceiving, perceiver. What do you perceive? What do you perceiving? And on that matter, I think the question of the dualistic really comes in it. (DT) 0:17:14.6 (Tibetan: jam pel..) When you invoke the invocation of. Invocation of anything. During the invocation you say. 0:17:45.6 (Tibetan: Jam Pel Yang…) Like the Manjushri nature is the nature of all phenomena. 0:17:54.2 (Tibetan: ne ne dro wa..) It is like that of sky. Where there is no goer and no comer. Nothing. No goer and no comer.

0:18:05.8 (Tibetan) So. It is also like that of reflection of the moon in the. In the. In the water. There is nothing goer and nothing comer. When you look at the mirror, you get a reflection, but you don’t get inside the mirror and look out. And you get come out of the mirror and look back. You don’t do that. So, you know. And you look at the mirror, you get your reflection. You don’t have to go inside the mirror to look from this side. So, probably these are the idea of dualistic. And non-dualistic. My feeling is. (DT) What happened?

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: I’m asking her to tell what she picked up as the answer.

GR Oh. (laughs)

Translator: It’s not to tease you. It’s

GR: No. No. I know it is difficult. But let it be. And those who have heard in English. I think it is. We’ll make it brief. You know, dualistic probably does not really. Dualistic will not. If you look at the mirror. And you’ll see your reflection there. But you don’t have to go inside the mirror to get. Keep that expression. But you’re standing here you can get that. But if you think there is two separate beings. Two separate “me”. One in here. One in here. It’s dualistic. But if you’re one here. You’re just looking at the mirror, you get the reflection. And as long as you. So, if you see this in one person, probably it is non-dual. Make that easy that way. (DT) She still has an argument.

Translator: Well. No. She has to get the translation yet.

Audience: 0:20:11.7 (??) Dualistic

GR: No. No. Ok.

Audience: Ok.

GR: Truth. That’s right.

Audience: I thought the Buddha is. (?)

GR: Yes. Yes. Like 0:20:38.9 (Tibetan:..) It’s like a transparent. If you put a glass on your palm, you see the glass. You see the palm writings. And like that manner, Buddha sees the relative truth and the absolute truth simultaneously together. But. But.

0:21:02.9 The mind of the Buddha who are cognized with the relative truth. In that cognition itself, you don’t have absolute truth. And the mind which cognizes the absolute truth. In that mind itself, there is no relative truth. However, Buddha says relative truth and absolute truth by one mind. This is, again, it is dualistic of dualistic-less. That is what it becomes. (laughs) I’m sorry.

Translator: I’m sorry too.

GR: You are. I don’t blame you. This is definitely very. (DT) I mean that’s. Ok. Now let’s go to on this 0:21:52.2 (?). Ok. Because a lot of people may be wondering what’s going on. So, actually you should be happy. Do you know why? This is the absolute wisdom. And which you probably not going to talk it. Unless those questions raised. And that’s why, at least you heard about it. (DT) I know Carla’s boiling with a question. Oh no. Ok. Fine. You are the one. You are the last person. Ok. Otherwise, you’ve got to let me do something too. So, you’re the last person.

Audience: This is just a simple question. Why is 0:23:07.3 (indistinguishable) (DT)

GR: You’re absolutely right. (DT) Absolutely right. A hundred percent right. Yeah. True. Absolutely right. How to live. How to have a good death depends how you live. (DT) How to live is very important. (DT) That is the essence of all practice, whether it is. I mean, this from the Buddhist point of view is the essence of all practice. (DT) And death is something else. It will come whether you like it or not. (DT)

0:24:05.2 And if you know what’s happening, it’s a little better. (DT) It doesn’t mean that death is more important than living. (DT) Living is much more important than dying. (DT) True. True. And that’s what it is. But death has a lot of opportunity. (DT) It is short period. (DT) It is very subtle mind. (DT) And the absolute all, What is it? Inter?

Translator: Interferences

GR: Interferences.

Translator: Interferences

GR: Interferences and drawing your attentions are all absolutely chopped off.(DT) So, it is almost. At most concentrated. (DT) By nature of death itself, you have no choice. (DT). But focus. (DT) You know, our attractions are the gross mind. (DT) Right? We see a beautiful girl, we look. Hey. (DT) And we hear nice music, we say “Ah”. (DT) And we see, we feel good taste, we keep on eating it again. (DT) Right? We touch something. It feels good. You touch again. Right? (DT) So. These are the attractions. Normally brought by the gross mind. Ah. Gross mind. Yes. (DT) And what you’re doing to the subtle mind is going like this. All the time we are getting all these messages. (DT) On top of that, you turn on the television. (DT) and they will bombard you with all sorts: a million different informations in thirty seconds. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. (DT) So, make your mind like this. (DT) True. What’s the matter?

Translator: I wonder how to translate this.

0:27:07.4 GR: You can do the same thing. This is universal language. So, what does death do? Chop off all this gross attractions. (DT) Chop off. (DT) What does meditators do? Try to cut out and reduce and bring it in (DT) To the, so much so that even you hold your air in and try to meditate. Because air goes out and mind goes out. So, try to hole in and meditate. (DT) Even you do that much, the monkey inside doesn’t still stay. It goes, you know, (DT) So, you don’t. During the death period, monkey doesn’t see it. Monkey doesn’t hear it. (DT) So, it is very subtle point and the subtle mind is stuck on whatever you think. Whatever you concentrate on. (DT) So much so that some people even tell that death is in touch with primordial mind. (DT) It could be true. (DT) True. Because I’m the one of the persons who believe I just in touch with the primordial mind does not mean you’re liberated. (DT) And because every death stage, you sort of touch with the original, primordial consciousness. (DT) But then when you come out, you come out the same way. (DT) It’s like a mole. You know this animal called mole? Goes underneath the ground during the winter period. (DT) Remain in touch with nature down there. (DT) Come out in summer as the same old mole, you know? (DT) Maybe a little more shy or maybe a little more thinner. Whatever. (DT)

0:30:04.7 So, that it is subtle. What do you think those meditators, yogis and the Tibetan. Those early meditators get in the cave? And some of them even go down to the cave and shut the cave down and remain down there and down there for nine years or something. (DT) The Indian yogis make a hole on the ground and get in there and close the ground. And they’ll remain down there for a long time. (DT) So, actually it is trying to gain concentration. Mental focus. Chop off those. You can’t take eye out. You can’t cut your ear out. So, that’s why they get down there. (DT) So, isn’t it Greek or something? They have those levels they count alpha something? Twelve different level. Huh?

Marion: Alpha waves

GR: Yeah. Alpha waves. They count down to, go down to. To twelve different levels down. I think it’s a Greek tradition.

Translator: Could be.

Audience: Greek letters

GR: Oh. Greek letters.

Translator: Greek alphabet.

GR: Alright. Greek alphabets. They count down to. They go down to twelve different level of mental state. I thought Greek tradition had that. And (DT) The old Christian tradition of kabala and all these people, they do that. I believe. And that’s why the measurement came in. There’s a machine. They try to measure now whether you’re alpha level or something. There’s a machine. They try to measure it. Anyway. So, all of those is the purpose of. Purpose of that is try to gain concentration. I had a student or friend. A woman named. What is her name? 0:32:22.1 (?) Sandline. Sandline. Virginia sandeline. I did not know here. I forgot her. You know. She met me. She told me she met me in 1977. (DT) 1977. And that’s it. And I saw her like four or five years ago in New York. (DT)

0:33:01.5 There’s a center called Open Center in New York City. (DT) There’s a book store in that Open Center. I was doing a workshop in Open Center and I walk in the book store. (DT) And the bookstore had a window outside. (DT) So, there’s a two women walked in. Saw me from the window like this. And then came in. (DT) And two society ladies. (DT) Wearing mink coat. (DT) And told me, “Aren’t you Gelek Rimpoche?” I said, yeah (DT) And she said, “I’m Virginia Simbaline. I met you in Texas in seventy-seven. (DT)

(Dutch discussion)

GR: Whatever it is. That’s not my problem. (laughs) I’m just joking. In seventy-seven. And then she said, “And you taught me concentration.” And she along with another man called Brother Chales. So, they developed and how sitting all this. And they said twelve years of meditation level. They measured that Greek letters down. So, twelve steps down. Twelve years of meditation level they can be providing within a very short period. So, they provide. They are the idea behind who is making these machines. You know, you wear the glasses and chup chup chup chup chup chup business. And these are the people who made behind that. So, she told me, “I can bring them in now. So, I’d been looking for you. I’ve completely lost contact with you. Now the second question is: next what?” And I said, I don’t know. I have no idea. So, she is doing this in the corporate. In the big corporate, General Motors, and Ford and IBM and all this. She goes there and give lectures to those workers and put on the machines. Put on the music. And so, that’s what she’s been doing. So. And that is another way. They really cut down your attachments out. So, you’re concentrated. When you’re concentrated, you pick up more. (DT)

0:36:26.8 And one of the reasons. When you pick up information. You meditate or you study. Whatever you do. Do it short period. (DT) Unfortunately we have to sit here hours and hours. (DT) Because we have limited time. You know? (DT) But what you really have to do is very short period. (DT) If you do a short period and your mind’s alert. You focus. You pick up. (DT) Whether it is meditation. Unless you’re trained, you know? If you are not trained then. If you’re trained then, it’s different. (DT) If you are not trained, do a very short period. (DT) Because you’re focus. (DT) You pick up. (DT) You remember. (DT) And you make use of it. (DT) If you go on and on and on and then so many information, you don’t pick up. You put hours and hours to do something. Doesn’t really get in that much. (DT) And that’s the reason why that’s important. (DT) (laughs) Equally important. Ok? I did not say that is more important than living. (DT) Ok. Let’s do a little bit of work now. And so. In the principals of the Four Noble Truths, we worked yesterday. (DT) Basically we have covered quite a good of the First Noble Truth. (DT) Ok. So. Now the question is, whatever problem you may have it. Particularly mind problem. Mental problem. I’m not talking about craziness. People go crazy. I’m talking about. (DT)

0:39:21.8 I’ve been wondering whether I did. Did I share last, during the Tara period? Breathing and looking at sunset and breathing out? No. I didn’t share that. Alright. So, remind me later. Ok? We’ll do that at the part of the four, Third Truth. And ok. Now, whatever problems that we face. Mental, emotional. Specially those, what you call it? Guilt feelings. (laughs) (DT) Mental, emotional problems. All of them. There is no. It’s not that there is no way out. (DT) Very fact. The very fact. I’ll give you logical reason. Very fact, all these problems are impermanent. (DT) So, it. So, it absolutely changes. (DT) Change. So. So, it is impermanent, it is changeable. (DT) So, therefore there is always way out. (DT) And never think, you’re doomed (DT) Ok? That is very important point. I did talk the guilt last time. I’m not going to talk today. (DT) I do remember, I did talk. (DT) But again to remind you. I’m absolutely a non-believer of guilt (DT) And no one can try to play a guilt trip with me. (DT) If anybody want to, you’re wasting your time. (laughs) (DT) That’s joke. Anyway. So, one of the reason, 0:41:56.4 (Tibetan. ) when there’s a way out. And there is a temporary way out. And there’s a . There’s a permanent way out.

0:42:06.2 (DT) The temporary way out is. Of course, you have the psychotherapist treating the doctor’s giving medication. And exercise and all this and this. All of them are temporary way out. (DT) They will fall. All fall under this noble truth. (DT) Now, permanently, when you get out. This is our. Our. Our aim is how to get out permanently forever. Once for all. Right? (DT) It is important to remember once for all. (DT) Because this is the life in which we can do. (DT) Is Marianne De Cok (?)0:43:25.7 here? Kay. Probably not here. If so, she would say, “I’m here.” (laughs) You know why you can do this time? (DT) So much opportunity. (DT) You know, you people should really appreciate the opportunity what you have. (DT) I don’t know whether you do it or not. (DT) If you look at the Tibetans. How did they get Buddhism in Tibet? You’ll go crazy. (DT) They took a tremendous amount of hardship. (DT) Crossing the Himalayan mountains. (DT) With a small. Not a single human being has every crossed. You know? (DT) And where you going to landed? A terrible hot hell. (DT) With all sorts of disease. (DT) The water you cannot drink. (DT) The air you cannot breathe. Unfortunately, the Indian air, even those days same thing. (DT) That’s what they describe. (DT) Maybe you can’t blame totally to the modern industrialized society. (DT) But really true. So, all this. And Tibetans have really, you know, out of the whole country, there are like only twenty-one people could, willing to go. Twenty-one young people who are willing to go. (DT) Only handful of them returned. They all died. (DT) And so with all this hard work. With all this efforts and what they brought is this precious Buddha’s way of doing it. (DT)

0:46:05.1 And then they tried to keep it pure. Once you got, they will try to keep it pure by blocking everybody out. (DT) For over a thousand of years. (DT) Depending on the snows; road to block people. (laughs) (DT) But snow did not block the communist Chinese. (laughs) (DT) So, they really had protected this as. At the cost of nation itself. So, the Tibet’s loss is westerner’s gain. True.

Translator: Lost, what?

GR: Tibet’s loss is western’s gain

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: Ah, the western’s gain. (DT)

GR: That’s true. The Tibetans all have only this spiritual path to contribute in the world. (DT) And I think we are contributing quite a lot. (DT) Jewel Heart has been instrumental for me. For a lot. (DT) For a lot. Not only for me, for a lot. (DT) So, anyway that’s why you do an incredible opportunity. Not only the Tibetan spiritual path, your own traditional. The Judeo-Christian tradition. I mean just mention about the Kabbalah. And all this. Which is somehow dead, for a while. Is it dead? Not dead, but somehow about to die. (laughs) Or something.

0:48:01.6 And anyway turns out, the mystical part of the Christian tradition is also there. Tremendous. You know. You cannot ignore that. (DT) Unfortunately, the management of the Christian practice has become a little corrupted.

Translator: Corrupted?

GR: Yeah. Corrupt.

Translator: Corrupted. (DT)

GR: I had a Christian Buddhist dialog in Cleveland. In the Shaker Heights Church. There’s about three thousand people. (DT) And I told the management. (DT) I think was a bishop, the guy who was, dialoging with me. He said, “You can get away by saying that. I cannot get away. Tomorrow, they’ll ask me questions.” (laughs) (DT) I mean, it’s true. It’s true. It’s not only corrupted to the West, we also corrupt in East too. All these monasteries. You know, they’re quite well corrupted too. (DT) And then because the years and years goes .And you draw loyalty to the institution. And you take its best. How to make it possible. How to make it success. How best to we can develop income. It’s not done for personal, however its totally devoted, dedicated. However it brings corruption. (DT) I very often say, throughout the place. Wherever I go. I say the Jewel Heart is here, but it come for the interest of the Jewel Heart and the interest of the people who are in Jewel Heart, to whom we are dedicated to work. So, the. What you have to sacrifice is not the interest of the people. But interest of Jewel Heart. And if Jewel Heart goes. Interest goes against the interest of the people, you’ll have to close down Jewel Heart.

0:51:03.5 This is a basic principle we commit all the time. At least as far as I’m concerned. I put my foot down to do that. (DT)

Audience: (unintelligible)

Translator: Ok. Thank you.

GR: Get it?

Translator: Yes, I did.

GR: Ok. Did everybody hear it? No. We better do. She doesn’t have mike. (laughs) (DT) Ah. Well why did we talk this anyway? What reason?

Audience: 0:52:20.5 (??) chances in our lives.

GR: Oh. Chances in our lives. Not only this. Then also there’s a lot of. You know today, you can look at the phone book and almost see what spiritual path you can choose. (DT) And there’s a bombardment of advertisements in brochures and booklets and pictures and it’s almost like a multi-media function of a spiritual war. Not war. Spiritual advertising hitting on your consciousness. You know? (DT) Even, you know, look at here alone. I was here last weekend. Week before last. Sogyal Rimpoche’s here last weekend. I’m here today. And with very short time, 0:53:25.1 (??) Rimpoche will be here. So. That’s an opportunity. (DT) So, we’re going to get all of your money. That’s why I laugh. (laughs) (DT) Anyway. Well, you’ve got the. Well, we got your money. So might well as make a little worth. (DT)

0:54:04.7 So. Such an opportunity when you’re having it. That is this life. (DT) In addition to that, you have capability of understanding the information. (DT) In addition to that, not only you have the capability of picking up information, you have capability of digesting the information. (DT) Not only you have the capability of digesting the information. By digesting. You can making it part of your life. (DT) This is the main thing. (DT) As those are vegetarians. And so much they dedicated to be vegetarian by thinking, listening. And as much as. As much you do. Like you do in the vegetarian and similarly you do with the dharma. (DT) Actually vegetarians, thinking you’re not going to hurt the animals or living beings is good dharma way of putting it. (DT) though I am anti-vegetarian. (laughs) Just kidding. So, this is how you corporate, the information what you take in and become a part of your practice. (DT) Believe me, practice does not lie to mala. (DT) And practice does not lie to the amount of time you spend to sit down. (DT) The practice lies on your daily life, from morning til evening. And evening til next morning. Twenty-four hour circle of sleeping, getting up, drinking, eating. Ok.

Translator: Yeah. Sure.

GR: And. Talking to people. Encountering with other people. And this. This is where the practice really lies.

0:57:01.7 (DT) Really. You wrap yourself with the practice. You eat with the practice. You sleep with the practice. You think with the practice. This is the real practice. (DT) It’s not the mala. It’s not the time you sit. It’s not the number of OM MANI PADME HUNG you say. It’s not. (DT) It’s not. Good. So, such an opportunity what you have is not possible to get again. I’m not going to be polite to you. I’m going to be bold to you. It’s not possible at all to get again. (DT) It’s never been before, and it will not be again. (DT) So, take best use of it. (DT) Ok. So, if you. Because the opportunity is impermanent. (DT) It could change. It changes. (DT) It change every minute. (DT) And it runs out. (DT) It doesn’t increase. (DT) So, you got to take opportunity now. (DT) So, sound convincing Christian minister? (DT) (laughs) Ok. So. So, I keep on saying, you’ve got to do now. You’ve got to do now. But what do you got to do now? (DT) Get rid of the pain, suffering. (DT) That not only yourself, but everybody is hooked. Sort of hooked in it. (DT) And how do you do that? (DT) The question rise, where it is coming from? (DT) Is it created by some, another person? (DT) A God doesn’t create pain. Do they? (DT) No. (DT) No. Who created? (DT) Who? Huh?

1:00:02.6 Nobody, except ourself. (DT) That’s why we experience differently. (DT) Right? Somebody enjoys certain atmosphere. Nice one. And somebody’s miserable in that atmosphere. (DT) Somebody’s pleasure is somebody’s misery. (DT) Because we create differently. (DT) Right? That’s why it differs from person to person. Joy and suffering differs. (DT) That’s because of the individual responsible for our individual experience. (DT) So, what you do now is the actually shaping your future. That’s what you are doing. (DT) Your today’s life is nothing but that of creating your future life. (DT) Whether you are sitting with big seriousness. (DT) Or whether you are mumble jumbling with blum blum blum bloom, a mala round. (DT) Or whether you are thinking seriously. (DT) Or whether you are eating meat or being vegetarian. Whatever you’re doing today, you’re creating your future. (DT) Ok. You are your own creator. (DT) Please believe me. (DT) Really true. You are your own creator. Your good. Your bad is your own deed. Nobody else do it to you. (DT) If you want to have a good time, you can make it. If you want bad time, you do it. (DT) And do not blame to the second person. Please. Don’t. (DT) We always blame. “I would have been ok, but she did it. I would have been ok. He did it.” You know. That’s what our, unfortunately, natural habit. (DT) Because I don’t want accept the responsibility. (DT) I want to be good one. (DT)

1:03:02.0 All bad ones did by others. (DT) That’s why you blame other people. (DT) That’s why we have a problem in the family. (DT) That’s why we have a problem with children. (DT) That’s why we have problem with companion. (DT) Or all of the them because you’re pointing the figure outside rather than pointing your finger inside. (DT) Then sometimes some people go and put the finger inside too much. So, they say, “I am the terrible one. I’m the worst. And I’m this and that.” That is again extreme. (DT) So, you must balance. Ok? (DT) It is my fault. (DT) You can’t blame the other one. (DT) The normal Western phrase; one hand clapping does not make noise. Doesn’t make 1:04:14.8 (?) does. (DT) Does it? So. Balance. (DT) So, now the question comes, how? Way if I created, how did I do? I don’t want to hurt myself. I don’t want to harm myself. How do I do? What did I do? (DT) Unfortunately we don’t realize what we are doing. (DT) We are absolutely drunk. (DT) Really. Drunk. With anger. (DT) Drunk with attachment. (DT) We have overdoses of attachment and overdoses of anger. So, you have no idea what you are doing. (DT) True. It’s overdose. You’re hiding something up there or you bring down there somewhere. This all because of overdosage of those anger attachment. (DT) So, the creator of the problem is our delusions. (DT) Right? So, the karma is such a thing. It’s functioning by itself. It has its sort of natural law. (DT) And we go against that. (DT)

1:06:01.8 If you fight with law, who is going to win? (DT) You know that. Right? (DT) I fought with law, law won. Right? You normally have to say that. (laughs) You can’t say, I fought with law, I won. You don’t get a win at all. You don’t get a win. (DT) So, similarly you get overdoses of drugs and you break the law and you get into trouble. (DT) And similarly here, you get overdoses of anger attachment and we break the natural law and we get into trouble. That’s what it is. (DT) Simple as that. (DT) So, now what do you do? (DT) Watch. (DT) Watch yourself. (DT) Watch your own monkey. (DT) Let it not jump around too much. (DT) But don’t 1:07:06.1 over (?) stand it. (DT) Alright? So. So, watch your anger. Watch your jealousy. Watch your attachment. Cut it out. (DT) And way and how you do it is moment by minute and hour by hour, rather than watch the life. No. Minute by minute. Hour by hour. (DT) It is very similar to cutting out the cigarette smoking. (DT) Right? And if you want to cut out the cigarette smoke. Is it cut out? What do they say? If you stop smoking cigarette. So, what do you do? (DT) So, you think I’m going to stop next month. (DT) Will that work? (DT) Never. (DT) Never. Ah, let me finish this packet and then next packet I won’t start. (DT) Will that work? (DT) I doubt it. (DT) A way and. I used to be a heavy smoker. (DT) Do you know, I had my opportunity to rebel. Teenage rebel. A little late but nevertheless better late than never. Huh? (DT) And thanks to the Chinese. (DT) I have the opportunity (DT) to find out what was in it. (DT) I was very heavy smoker. Became a very heavy smoker. Smoked thirteen years. (DT)

1:09:03.8 And there’s some period, like two packets a day. Sometime. It’s not so much. But at least two packets for three days for sure, for thirteen years. (DT) And that also a terrible Indian store tobacco, rather than nice, you know. (DT) It’s not the French. What is it?

Audience: Gauloises

GR: Gauloises. (laughs) (DT)

Audience: It’s not good.

GR: Huh? It’s not good. Alright. So, anyway. So. So, by the time when I had to cut it. And I cut it on the half cigarette. Really true. Absolutely true.

Translator: Half cigarette?

GR: I was smoking. And before finishing the one cigarette, I left it out. (DT)

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: Halfway one cigarette to finally.

GR: Cut out. I did not say, if I have to wait for this finishing. Then the next one. So, cut it. Then ten come won’t cut it. (DT) You know the reason why I had to cut? Because I had to go with. To go to Ladakh with His Holiness Gyalwa Drikung pa (?) 1:10:34.5 The head of the Drikung Kagyu lama. (DT) And he has, I mean, almost fifty percent, almost seventy percent of all Ladakhi’s are his traditional lineage followers.

Translator: I didn’t get it. Sorry

Marianne: (Dutch)

GR: (DT) Leave it in here. (DT) So, Ladakhi’s think the smokers terrible. It’s sort of a. The young bizarre, slick guys. You know. It is traditionally against their culture. Religion. You know, sort of, wise crazy guys in the street. Like a cheap 1:10:34.5 (?) starving look. (DT) So, I will. I took the opportunity. Cut it. (DT) And I cut it well, very well. Absolutely (DT) Thereafter I pick up twice. (DT) Not immediately. After like ten, like seven or eight years after. Just once, twice. Recently I pick up and smoking these days.

1:12:04.7 (DT) Yeah. Really. (DT) But I got only two cigarettes left in Gauloises. So, I’ll be cutting out thereafter. (laughs) I don’t know how that going to work. (DT) And she helped me to finish my. (DT) Anyway. Now. So, the idea is, you’ve got to do now. (DT) And at that moment , if I keep on thinking. I say, “After this packet, I’m going to cut it.” I’m not going to cut it. (DT) So, I cut in the middle of a cigarette. (DT) and that you got to do. (DT) And it’s easy for me to tell you, cut out your anger. Cut out your attachment. But it is absolutely difficult for you to do it. (DT) But what you can do. Bring awareness. (DT) Don’t ever give the opportunity to denial. (DT) Because the denial is the shelter for those negativities. (DT) Anger is bad. I’ve got nothing to do with that. (DT) But blah, blah, blah. (DT) So, that will not do. (DT) I am angry. If it’s bad, alright. I try to cut it out. I am angry. I am attached. I am jealous. Say it. Acknowledge. (DT) That’s what it is. (DT) That’s what it takes. (DT) Ok. So. Now there’s a big question I would like to throw. What is relationship between saying your prayers and cutting your anger? (DT) And what is the relationship between the meditation and cutting my anger. (DT)

1:15:08.1 Do you have answer?

Audience: Changing your habitual patterns?

GR: You learned that from me, didn’t you? That’s my word.

Audience: That’s why I’m here.

GR: Joking. Do you have answer, Robert?

Robert: Well. Something

GR: Yeah. Two Roberts. Say together. We’ll hear it. Make enough noise. One louder than other one. (laughs)

Robert: 1:15:37.5 Your phrase (?), your question reminded of something else. (unintelligible)

GR: Oh. Why didn’t you go to picnic? Huh? Have a boating. Or go to fishing. Any answer you have?

Audience: If you think about it, in your prayer, your meditation and you can (Dutch)

Translator: If you think about it thoroughly, while meditating or praying, then you can give a different direction to what you do.

GR: How? It’s easy to say it.

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: By being aware of it.

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: And by finding out what causes it.

GR: And? (DT)

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: First you’ll have to accept it and then you can try to do something with it.

GR: Are you sure? (DT)

Audience: Yes

GR: Very good. Do you have anything to add on that? (DT) No, no. Not you. Yeah. (laughs) one hand.

Audience: I don’t think.

GR: Oh, you don’t think so. Anybody else have anything to add on that?

Audience: What’s the result and what’s the result of not being angry.

GR: That has being part of awareness actually. I presume it. She just used the word only awareness. But it is great thing to point it out. (DT)

1:18:03.1 A one thing I would like to raise here. The prayers that we introduced. The Tibetan tradition. It is not only a devotional prayer. (DT) We do, do have devotional prayer too, but we don’t do only devotional prayers. (DT) If you look in the Hindu tradition, they keep on singing all this. You know. All this tablas goes on. It is mostly devotional prayer. That’s true. (DT) And I don’t know about the Christian tradition. But to me it seems all this big singing going on in the church are mostly devotional. (DT) Yeah, we praise Lord this and we praise Lord that and we praise Lord this and we praise the Lord this and all this and that. It is more devotional. (DT) Then the Tibetan prayers, if you look. People who say sadhana. People who do the prayer. People who do this. And there are devotional prayers. Like Lama Chopa, a type of Lama Chopa if you look at. Half of them devotional prayer and half of them dealing with yourself. (DT) So, it’s not only a devotional prayer. The prayer that dealing with your mind. Prayer that dealing with your mind is recognition with the external things. Prayer that how the individuals reacting with the external feelings of good and bad and ugly and all this. And prayer that the connection between external and internal and internal’s reaction. (DT) So, that’s why the introduction of the praying from this tradition is different than that of devotional prayer. (DT) Though we use the word prayer. (DT) Because it is a borrowed word. (DT) We did not find another word for it. (DT) So that mean differs. (DT)

1:21:03.2 So, let me make a little propaganda, while I’m having opportunity. A little propaganda to this particular way of doing it. (DT) It’s not only you’re appealing to the enlightened beings. (DT) And using their energies and capacities and capabilities. (DT) And dealing with yourself, how you handle life. (DT) How you cut your negativity. (DT) How you build your positivity (DT) And that’s why this prayer is superior. Hey! (laughs) (DT) That’s propaganda. (DT) Political propaganda. It’s not political. It’s dharma propaganda. (DT) And I have a question taken by Robert and then yet no more. Because we have got to go for lunch. (DT)

Robert: 1:22:13.1 I feel one thing (?) and I feel for myself better to think about effect of the anger and greed. (?)

GR: Good .

Robert: I feel very deeply these effects. (?)

GR: You got a double thumbs up. That is meditation. That is practice. Yet. (DT) I’m sorry (DT) Meditation does not depend on the cushion and sitting down. (DT) Remember that. (DT) Ok. Yeah?

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: She heard your propaganda for the prayer. But her question is, how exactly does this work within the prayer? Does the text of the prayer tell you how to deal with this anger or do you have to think about that while praying?

GR: A lot of prayers will tell you. The text will tell you. (DT)

1:24:01.4 And because when you say the words and you can think behind. They really have that. I mean, you do need some commentary. Some guidance. Once you have that you can link up. Because, you know, even you don’t think the words will do a lot of things too. (DT) And that’s what I mean. It’s not only a devotional prayer. (DT) Ok. Thank you. And what we have to. I must tell you. Got to go to lunch and come back. And after coming back, I would like to talk to you a little more, love compassion and six perfections dealing with life. (DT)