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Sound file:19940920GRLR

Speaker:Gelek Rimpoche

Location:Ann Arbor

Topic:Lam Rim

Transcriber:Jayapushpa

Date:4th February, 2023

..development which has preliminary, actual and conclusion. The preliminary is over.Actual practice begins with ‘the root of all development, guru devotional practice. And that also has the quality of the spiritual master, quality of disciple..(*interruption) So, quality of disciple, quality of a…and how the guru devotional practice comes in. So, guru devotional practice…that also has mental relationship and action relationship. The mental relationship is also divided into basically into two. By knowing the qualities of the spiritual master and developing intelligent faith. The second, remembering kindness and developing devotion. ‘Intelligent faith’ there, better write ‘devotion’. That’s (1) and (2) is devotion. Very good, I think you can sit down today, now. So, we try to give you little sort of thing , so that we know. It is guru talk.

Alright now, about qualities we talked. ..qualities of the disciple, qualities of the spiritual master and we talked basically intelligent faith and importantness in this, how guru devotional practice is known as root of all development. And we also talked about intelligent faith. The way and how you develop intelligent faith is by knowing the quality. Reason by knowing the quality of the spiritual master which and then you develop intelligent faith. Not because just it has to have faith, not in that way. We also talked earlier , and we also give you as part of reading assignment to go through of Day 8 and 9, of ‘The Liberation in Palms’..’Palms of Your hand’..What’s that book called? (Audience: Liberation ..) Liberation in Palm Of Your Hand. And if you have read in that, we are…I think we discussed the last time too. Ensapa said whatever development you are going to get, it depends on how greater intelligent faith you have. And therefore remain something…Remember we have read that. Remember the Ensapa’s quotation. Didn’t we? Did people remember that or no? (Audience: Yes) You do. Who else has the book? Can you read next line. Do you have it with you? (Audience: Remember that..) You have it with you? You brought my copy? Supa, has,okay. Supa , is on Day 8. The quotation from Gyalwa Ensapa, (*lots of interruption noise)..How strong your faith is, without which spiritual development will not grow. And this I can openly say it on the basis of personal experience. In one way, normally we don’t talk about guru devotional practice because there’s bound to be misunderstanding. There are all sorts of things . In this country there are a number of guru trips , and so and forth. So we sort of keep the whole main thing, but if you really want to develop, nothing happens, without which..that’s why it is called root of development. And how strong it is going to be spiritual development also depends on this intelligent faith.0:07:05.8

Intelligent faith , whatever you have, it doesn’t matter. Even something achieved,…Now, if you read continuously, what will happen? There’s earlier somebody who went to India to get some kind of teaching from the traditional Indian guru and the guy went over there and said, “Hey, give me a teaching;give me a..

..give me something so the teacher, the spiritual master got annoyed . And told his attendant “Marileja”, means “Take him out. That’s what it is, ‘Marileja If you read this, it’s should be just next to that statement. It’s called, “Marileja” ..take him out! (Audience: the translation says,” Go away” that’s how it is translated.) If it is translator says, “Go away”. Actually it is Marileja means , “’Take him out” (Audience: Right..) And the person thought ‘Marileja’ is a mantra. So he thought, “Alright, I got it!” (Laughs) And he went away, keep on saying “Marileja, marileja, marileja marileja” . So, by saying those “marileja” so many times, he developed some kind of power. Power to be able to heal people. People who are sick, he being able to heal them. Do..all these powers developed all because of the guru devotion and intelligent faith combination. That’s what happened.0:08:46.3

I must add one more incident here. There is another …there was a mantra called “Chundi” which is also very well practised throughout Southeast Asia and China and Tibet, just like Kuan Yin type, Chundi also. I believe the Chundi mantra is really said , “Om chale chule chunde svaha ”. That is actually mantra.And one person couldn’t know and started saying “Om vale vule vunde svaha”. “..vale vule vunde sva ha” and of course it it totally wrong, but he had very strong sort of devotion, and practised faith in that. And when there is famine in one country, some place, he be able to cook the stones and be able to eat. Because Chundi does that actually; Chundi mantra does that. So this is how it works. Not only that, if you very familiar, during the latest debate between anti buddhist scholar and the buddhist teacher, the last one to he Tibetans, like Sakya Pandita. During the Sakya Pandita, this anti Buddhist teacher came from India and challenged the Tibetans, “Now, we have wiped out all the buddhist scholars in India. And now you people we need to debate”.. and this and that. Tibetans sent two people.One is Sakya Pandita and challenged the one with magical power. They sent one mahasiddha called ‘Dachawa’. it should be in this book somewhere. But I don’t remember exactly where it is, ‘Dachawa’. So, Sakya Pandita went and debated, he lost. And Dachawa chased him. This anti Buddhist scholar is very powerful saint too. After debate, and traditional Indian system, they don’t debate here like what you debate here, like presidential debate. In between there is some people sit and you have thing. They debate face to face , challenged each other. You say one word , they challenged another word and go on debating that way. So what happened is, after debate whoever lost , they have to give up their tradition and has to follow the other one. So the anti scholar who had come all the way from India, scholar and saint. And then he told him, “You have to follow me and I am going to shave your head; I am going to make a monk”..”Buddhist monk, I am going to shave your long hair”.And so he flew in the air . Sakya Pandita could not fly , so he had to watch and do nothing. So it is Dachawa’s department now. So, he took out a dagger from his belt, and followed his shadow and put dagger on that.. I forgot the word ’om benza chala chole soha’, he put that, and he fell down. So they got hold of him and shaved his head and all this. (Laughs) So, Sakya Pandita got shocked and this fella doesn’t say this mantra correctly, got so powerful. And he would never listen to anybody , but since it is great Sakya Pandita, he said, “If you had said your mantra correctly , you would have been great power”. he said, “What is the correct mantra?” He said, “It is not chale chole,. It is ka le ka li. So you should say “Om benze ka le ka li rather than chale chole “. so, he said, “Really?” “Alright let me try”. He tried the mantra on rock . Normally when he says mantra and he puts on rock , it goes through everywhere. That flying purba. If you have seen “The Shadow” movie. There’s a flying purba,(Laughs) it’s a dagger. That’s what it is. So, it hit the rock and with a little doubt . I mean normally he wouldn’t listen. Since it is great Sakya Pandita, he thought maybe. So, he tried to hit , didn’t go. So, he said” nga ya benza chale chole nye ta…chale chole ..(?) He said, “Even before I have said chale chole only, from now one I will only say chale chole and hit once again” and went through. So that’s what works sometimes. 0:14:08.9

In the spiritual path it is sometimes very tricky. In one way, you have to be totally grounded, almost very scientific. Almost very scientific, not really scientific; it is almost scientific, you really have to be. And then , on the other hand, you have to have a combination of the intelligent faith, not blind faith, but intelligent faith. Remember that I repeatedly mentioned here “..te pe…ma ..(?)”. They give you like is a mother. If you want to have a child, you have to have a mother. Without mother, you cannot give birth to child at all. Like intelligent faith , is like that. So it is very strange . so that’s what I like to emphasize, one more in today’s talk in addition to the subject whatever we want to.0:15:26.7

So what kind of intelligent faith you put question. So, we told you the other day, if it is Theravadan tradition, it is Hinayana path, you should look as though it is Buddha. In Mahayana , you should look as Buddha . and in Vajrayana , you should look inseparable that of Buddha. That’s what it is. Can you do it? Sure, you can do it. You can definitely do it. Do we have a problem? Sure we have millions of problems., rather, zillions of problems. Yes, you do. Our thoughts is such a thing. It will come up, “No, this guy, no way!” (Laughter) He has this problem, that problem, this problem, that problem; every single thing”, Ya, really, even you look at the guru trips that you have in this country. From this another to that another, so many this another to that another, and Rajneesh to Chogyam Trungpa..you look anywhere. You look there, there has been problem, tremendous! It is not a problem free at all. There is tremendous problem. These problems some are reality ;some are blown up. Whatever it might be, there is a problem. There is a problem because we are human beings. There has to be problem . If there is no problem, you are not human beings. And they are not human beings/ They are human beings , so therefore there is a problem. Whether the problems true or not true, it is not for me to say. It is for us to judge . Toe, sure. It is absolutely true reality; to some ti might not have been. That is thee. But, what we have to do? I mean this is from bottom of my heart. What you have to do? You have to pick advantage from the midst of these problems. There is tremendous amount of advantage, and quality and source, and development. You have to pick up amongst those problems. If you missed it, you missed the boat. The train has gone 500 miles away. That’s what happens, really true. Remember that? Not a shirt on my back, not a penny in my name..and all these. (Rimpoche laughs) You can hear the whistle blow a hundred miles away. That’s what it is. (Laughter) So, I mean that is true, that’s there Is this reality? Sure, it is reality. Should we take precaution? Sure, You should take all the precautions. Remember I said …not yesterday..last Tuesday, “You must be able to say “No” “. I mean that’s not the bonding at all, “ ye pa …mi…(?)”Buddha Himself has repeatedly said, “When you can’t do it, you have to say “No” to it” No matter guru, or no guru or maha guru or Choedak guru or (?) guru(Laughter) Whatever it is, that’s true. That’s what it is. 0:19:45.4

Now the point is, “Alright, I will see all these problems. What it is?” If you look from the problems angle, you going to see problems with everybody, no matter, whoever. You going to see problems. You look from the problem angle, you going to see problems. During the Buddha’s lifetime, to Buddha Himself, everybody did not think Buddha is great. Nobody. Everybody did not think Buddha is great. A lot of people including his own cousin, thought Buddha is such a jerk. (Laughter) Ya. Today we draw the Buddha, with this little thing over here and that little hair down here,and all these things what we draw in there. I don’t think they will see that way. The Buddha at that period. This is sort of little bit information and more quality has been started talking about it. Then the usnisha become a little bit longer , little bit longer, little bit longer. So if you look in Thailand today, it is very sharp long one like this, you’ll see today. So, they went in there.But, even during the Buddha’s lifetime, only those who are pure, who are highly developed people, they be able to observe those signs . But, not everybody. Buddha looked like an ordinary person and did appear ordinary. I made a number of jokes, not in this particular group, but earlier Lam rim teachings , If Buddha comes in that manner, every body will run away. And we may run away today. Everybody will think such a strange fellow to look at. Hey, in America, may not. It is very strange !May not, really! (Laughter) it is sort of open society, may accept, if he walk that way. But, otherwise, any where else, they will run away. So, if you really look at it carefully, during that period these people who have high developed, they observed that way, the others, other way round.So, these are there. If you look from problem angle, you will see problem to everybody. You will not see anybody problem free, faultless. But if you look from the quality angle, you will always see the quality. This is one of the tricks our mind will play with us. If you fall in love with somebody, at the beginning level, if you look at it, you will see everything wonderful. You probably thought , “Who made such a person? It is only God can produce!” Right? (Laughter) “All these qualities that I needed is all there; perfect, faultless. Such right person, perfect!” Right? But when you get into trouble, everything’s wrong. Whatever you do, nothing is right. That is how our mind will play with us. This is a very simple example we can see in our everyday life .We can see this. And surely that will play when you look at the spiritual path. Always they will play that. Traditionally they will say here whatever you see not necessarily correct. Somebody with jaundice will see snow as yellow, and blah..blah..blah. They give you all these reasons. But the true reason is our mind can really play lots of tricks, and particularly mind with ourselves,with our level. Today our level ,we definitely play that trick because we are like a flag.The wind blow from the left, and we go to the right side and make whole lot of noise…plah..plah..plah..plah..all these. And suddenly wind shift, it will go to the right, and it will go to the right side and goes plah..plah..plah..plah. That is exactly our mind standard which means we really don’t get a grab of the situation. We follow. That’s why the media play tremendous on anything, right? So we get what..15 seconds information and we make our mind, and we will say it is good and bad and make all the judgements. So it is base on that. So that shows how very uncareful we are. Is that correct word to say, ‘uncareful’? (Audience: careless) Careless..how careless we are. How superficial we are. How we does not grab the situation deeply. We have no understanding..very little understanding , the depth is very small. Even our ordinary daily life, so forget about the spiritual path. Our understanding , our depth is next to zero. So we definitely bound to confuse. That’s what it is. 0:26:24.9

Whatever it might be, whether…this is the main point. This is where Kyabje Ling Rinpoche draw conclusions. Whatever it might be doesn’t matter, but I want benefit. I don’t want disadvantages. The benefit if you look as spiritual guru or teacher or master, as a Buddha, you get the benefit of a Buddha. If you look them as bodhisattva, you get benefit of bodhisattva , and if you look them as ordinary being, you get benefit of ordinary being; if you look them as a dog, you get benefit of a dog. That’s what it is. So the reason therefore, I seek benefit, I do not seek disadvantage. So, therefore doesn’t matter. ..ngo mong ma …chi pa yang (?)…la ma lah…So basically that’s why it is important.And we normally don’t talk this too much. People get bound to get misunderstanding , particularly I haven’t talk here like for the last five years. I really didn’t go in that detail Did I? No, I did not. So, if you read ‘Liberation In Palm’…what is it?Liberation In Your Own Palm’, (Audience: Palm of Your Hand) ..’Palm of Your Hand’..whatever it is, anyway. If you read keep on reading that continuously, so, continuously..you get all of them. This is interesting. Even Milarepa, very famous, right, very famous. But during that Milarepa period, I just saw this, so that’s why I wanted to share with you. There was another guy who challenged Milarepa during his lifetime. He is called Naro Boenchung) . There are lots of stories if you read Milarepa’s biography, you will see that. That is in English. When I was young, there is a little retreat area, I have to go on retreat. And they used to have this particular ,you know, Milarepa and Naro Boenchung) , they started some competition of climbing the mountain, and he is riding a little drum, you know, drum that you beat and drum rolls up. I have the drawing on the back of my seat. They have this drawing on the wall. There’s a mural painting in my retreat area in Lhasa, used to be. That’s why I just remembered this Naro Boenchung . You know what Naro Boenchung said..mi la re pa kye pa di…mi kye ..chip(?) (Rimpoche laughs) That’s right. Naro Boenchung said, “The name of Milarepa is so famous and so popular, and sounded as though a great Indian mahasiddhi before I saw it. When I went near there, it is an old man naked lying down”. This is also should be there, right? (Audience: It’s there) Can you read it loudly? My translation is bad. (Audience: (reads) people who’ve not seen the famous Milarepa. Say great things about him: ‘He’s like the great Indian adepts!’ When they go to see him . They find a naked old man asleep…). (Laughter) That’s right. That’s like even during Milarepa period, people will see that way. Like Tilopa, the famous Tilopa. Nobody except Naropa, or except only a couple of people , never even thought he is a great mahasiddha like Tilopa. They simply thought he is a crazy fisherman, who swallow fish alive or roast live fish, just eating . That’s what they have seen it. So that is the…So, that’s why you know whatever we see is always important. As long as it is not your own guru, doesn’t matter what you say., though you may develop some bad karma in that. If you can avoid , great. But if you can’t avoid, it is not that bad. But …that’s what it is. Those people who criticized the earlier spiritual masters , we have to be really careful. Because then you probably pull the red carpet under your feet. Is there some kind of expression..’pull the carpet out..’ (Audience: pull the carpet out from underneath) ..pull the carpet out from underneath. You probably pull your own carpet from underneath yourself. Obviously(?) important.

Important in such a way, I shared this with you. Normally you know, I also think the same thing. I used to think the same thing. “Ya, these great teachers are there, great, wonderful, no doubt. But I make my deal with my own yidam or Buddha, or some thing. I can make my own deals with that”. I used to think that all the time. And spiritual masters are there just to guide you. However, I can make my deals over there. It doesn’t.... it found it happens to be doesn’t work that way at all. It doesn’t work that way. That’s way the example of giving like the magnifying glass , and all these earlier masters give all these different examples try to tell, share with us, it doesn’t work other way round. I tell you this much. Some..all of them I may not be able to say openly here because a number of people are not initiated. 0:34:16.5

When you obtain enlightenment, how do you obtain enlightenment? That is the question. When you become a buddha. How do you become a buddha? You may probably think, “I just become a Buddha”. It doesn’t work that way. What happened is your mind ,your consciousness will become that of inseparable that of gurus consciousness. And that is how you obtain enlightenment. There is no other way in Vajrayana. So that will show you how important it is that this beginning level. We always pray,”Dwi che pa jin gyi lob; dwi che pa jin gyi lob;dwi che pa jin gyi lob” We may be blessed to become oneness and one mind, and one taste and one this and one that. You will see everywhere and read everywhere ,pray everywhere. But how does happens? The way and how the mind becomes inseparable, oneness. Within that you obtain enlightenment. And that’s why…that it shows how important it is.Now, other things I don’t have to tell you, because that’s how it works. 0:35:44.0

Anyway, so, basically that should cover the first point of intelligent faith. By knowing the quality. Look from the human point of the spiritual masters.Look at the quality point of the spiritual masters and divine point of the spiritual masters. Actually in Vajrayana, forget about spiritual masters ,they will encourage everybody to look as all males as great Avalokitesvara, and all females as Mother Tara, and this and that. And all sound as mantra all appearance as pure and all these are in the Vajrayana way. So, basically that’s what it is. So by looking the quality of the spiritual master, that include from Buddha to living spiritual masters to that to your own guru, up to that level. And looking in them in one quality, oneness, you can look at them. Oneness. And that is the very basis of the guru devotional practice. That’s what it is. Developing that by knowing the quality and then appreciate it. Actually when we talk about faith, it is slightly different than Western idea of faith. Tibetan Buddhism will present three kinds of faith…ye she tepa, ta we tepa, ngon dro we ta pa.(?) So there is three kinds of faith. Trust oriented faith, and appreciating faith, and expressing the quality and desire of obtaining that quality. That’s sort of three different kinds of faith we talked about it. It is not only “You have to believe me”. That’s not …that’s undesirable faith. If you just have to believe it. That’s difficult. You have to have reasons why you can trust; you have to have reasons why you appreciate. The reasons what you get is the quality. That’s what it is and then there’s no problem. Does not go against our intelligent faith, if you have enough reasons. That doesn't go against our intelligence. If you don’t have reasons, just have to have faith. It is totally against basic norm of intelligence. Get it? That’s what it is. That’s how it works. (Audience: Can I ask a few questions?) Not yet, because then you disturb me. Okay, you can keep all your questions , we’ll make one day. Questions on that. Okay ..(*interruption) keep on waiting; tomorrow never comes, so doesn’t matter.(Laughs) Anyway, that is basically beginning point. 0:39:52.2

Now, the second point, “Remembering kindness and cultivating devotion” and that is ‘kindness’ there is a number of different kindnesses you have to think. Traditionally, Kesangpa (?) has different ways of cutting it.I don’t think I will go to that much. But remembering kindness is very important. Because if you don’t remember the kindness, and then you do not develop the devotion. So the root of all development depends on the guru devotional practice. So if you don’t have the devotion, it will lose the root. So what tradition will tell you, you see the quality of the spiritual masters…from the quality point is equal to Buddha. But form the kindness point, it is more than Buddha .One of the Kadampa teachers has given why it is. They give you example. He says, “The quality is the same, the spiritual masters and Buddha , all same quality; they are all same. However, my spiritual master is very kind and is more important to me than that of the Buddha. It is like when I was dying without getting any food, and dying…not dying in the sense of normal talk…I mean I am starving to death by not getting food, then my spiritual master is like that, at that time giving me little food and making me survive and then building me up. Buddha’s kindness is like a basic generosity. So, for me it is more important.” That’s what one of the Kadampa lamas have drawn his conclusion. Jamgon Tsongkhapa has sort of …sort of total spiritual development, total benefit, total everything is totally sort of put it through the kindness of the spiritual master. Even Khedrub Rinpoche, the disciple of Tsongkhapa, ‘Gyalwa ..tuk je ja…la ma cho la sol wa deb” “Gyalwa kun la tuk je je” means the kindness is even far beyond, more important than all the buddhas put together. And even in the Lama Chopa, “Sang gye drang mey jon pay ma thul wei. Ma rung dhul kay nyik dhu dro wa la. Dhe sek lam zhang ji zhin ton pa yi. Kyab gon thuh je chen la sol wa dep”. ‘Sang gye drang mey jon pay ma thul ei” ..It says countless buddhas have come, but I was left out, either I was not born there or was not there or they don’t reach me, I don’t reach them, I did not have the way, I was left out. But however through the kindness of the spiritual masters, I now have a way. I have path, I have a practice. I have understanding of what is spiritual development. I have the understanding of positiveness, and negative. I have understanding of good and bad karma. I have understanding of suffering and cause of suffering, and joy and the cause of joy. So, it is more important to me. That’s why “Sang gye drang mey jon pay ma thul wei. Ma rung dhul kay nyik dhu dro wa la. Dhe sek lam zhang ji zhin ton pa yi. Kyab gon thuh je chen la sol wa dep”. Even the countless buddhas have come, I was left out. So here it is giving me opportunity. There are countless of these quotations. Gang che pu…yang….sonam…(?) There are countless, really. And so in that way, we have to think, meditate. Ll these objections will come up, so you have to have sort of little encounter, with objections and then draw the conclusion. Atisha had said, “ Even the Buddha appeared as a living Buddha, as full fledged Buddha, and nothing more to share with you than that of true living message of the Buddha with your spiritual master will share with you. “ So Atisha said, “You people are so fortunate, telling to the tibetans. Without doing going much hardship , you got those profound message. (*recording error..) ..bliss void and this and that, there is countless people who does that. But nothing comparable than that of meditating on spiritual masters.” la ma …na ma mik(?). There is nothing comparable . This is…they cannot compete with this. “ de ke ma la sol wa ..(?)” there is so many people who says mantras…this mantra, that mantra; this purification, that purification. That Vajrasattva, this is..that that..this that that..so many mantras people say. But there is nomantra like that of praise; praising your guru…praying..What do you call ..application..? (Audience: Supplication) Ya, supplication of what? (Audience: supplication) Ya, supplication. Like we say, “Mig me tse wai ter chen chen re zig. Dri me kyen pai wang po jam pel yang. Du pung ma lu jom dze sang wai dak. Gang chen kye pai tzuk gyen Tsongkhapa. Lozang drak pa zhab la sol wa deb. It is not Tsongkhapa’s mantra but it is sort of praising Tsongkhapa, showing the qualities and all these. And that is that. Gyalwa Gozangpa said” Nothing compare with this’ “ Gyu to …nyam …(?) When you have that praying to your spiritual master always, you will guaranteed to develop the spiritual development and gain the experience. But if you skip that, try to do mantra this, mantra that, this deity,that deity, you will get no where! That’s what it is. So, this is not just what I am saying. I believe that’s why I brought the book. I try to read from the book and it’s also in English available, in ‘….your own hand’… in there. So that’s why…because …I repeat this because it is important.0:48:41.7

So through that, you develop respect; a profound sort of faith,profound respect. And that will be the foundation . That will be base for us to develop. True, on that basis you work, without which it doesn’t grow. So basically… and them of course, what is the most important? Most important practice, following the advice. Following the advice of the spiritual master, is the most important. ‘Ka den…cho pa”(?) Following the advice of the spiritual master, is the most important. Milarepa said, ‘ sang jin…ta la me; la ma che …?” “I have nothing to give to my spiritual master ; I have no welth, no money; nothing to give, But , I will pay their kindness by doing a perfect practice , follow whatever that Marpa has taught me and told me to do. This is what I do”. ‘mong …ta la me..la ma ..” (?) So, out of the most important practice of the guru devotional practice, following the path .. de sye..that is the most important. Get it? That’s it. 0:50:35.3

So, Robert, what’s your question? I am through for today. (Audience: When you say something like..which is ..tibetan ..one mind with the guru. I just want you to clarify that. …in body, speech and mind.. Mind mean the heart ... one with the guru.. *unclear ..noisy..) It is not control of mind. You know what will happen is, nobody controls anybody’s mind. But what will happen you become to that level. What really happens? What is enlightenment? Enlightenment is some kind of “sangye tam che…cho..nyen pa…” So when you become enlightened, it is all become sort of great equanimity of sort of great void natured , some kind…You know, I am sort of giving you bad words..But, I don’t know..if you…The reasons why I am trying to use the bad words here, because I don’t want to carry it out some kind of …interesting trip. Otherwise I should say “clean, clear, wisdom nature, Clear Light,..floating.some thing very beautiful”. In that manner , I should said. But, I am saying purposely in opposite direction. So, sort of equanimity level, or problem less, whole knowing, free flow, oneness of such level, you get in yet with a separate identity. Way and how you get through is through that mind of mixing that mind. It is not that the big guru mind comes down and controls me. It is not that. It is my little mind which explore and get into it and becoming oneness with that. Really true. (Audience: Another ..) That’s true in that way. It is sort of going in ,in that way rather than coming down. (Audience: …one with the mind part of the spiritual teacher . One…..feels that.. *Unclear) Ya, the way to get there is is becoming oneness with the guru and that’s how it pushes. And they give you examples .here. Traditional teachings ,when you have to eat food, you have to go through the throat. And that’s example they give you. Really true. I am sure it is in “Liberation In Your Palms “ there too, somewhere, because I don’t…So, did you see it? (Audience: It is in there) Did you see it? (Audience: It is in there) He does reading ..Who said that? Oh, you said. Okay. So, ..it is like a throat , they tell you. That is how it works.

Okay, yes (Audience: *noisy unclear…I am not sure …what do you do about it now, having followed what I considered as enlightened spiritual master and now seen him different way. He is very controversial. I am not sure how I ?anymore.) If you have treated the person as a spiritual master earlier , whether it is controversial or not controversial, from your point of view, you could give high respect, and do not indulge in unnecessary gossiping business, and just pull out and stay away, and give sort of profound respect. And if the person is in life, then you just apologize whatever you did. You don’t have to follow exactly if you don’t want to. You have to say “I apologize what I did earlier; I am not going to follow you, you don’t mind and give me permission.” (laughs) Ya, true. That’s what it is . ‘No’ means that. And if the person is not in life, from your profound mind, deeply apologized and pray. That’s it. That’s how you follow. And regret what you did and you go away; you don’t stuck there. Again, that you don’t stick there. This is important. If you stuck, you get stuck. So, do not. Get..get.. take care and move out. Take care and move forward. That’s how you do. That is the key. That’s really true, that’s what you do. And if the guru insists,” You have to follow me, otherwise I am going to kill you”, then let them kill, that’s what it is. That shows how crazy that person is reality it is. (Audience: I was reading ‘Day 7’ anyone who transgress the guru ? ..quite heavy trip on you!) (Rimpoche laughs followed by laughter) That’s why I didn’t talk (Laughter) It is not heavy trip. It just shows you how important it is. But the key lies here, if you can’t do it, say “No”. and make sure you can say “No”, okay. That’s what it is. (Audience: Does that make sure you have a kind guru? ) Kind or not kind, it has to be kind. If not kind, what else can they do? That’s really true. (*interruption) (Audience: My question is, if you got another initiation years ago and ? takes you off the path, and you don’t keep your vows, is there a way that guru can renew?) No, you have to do it. You have to do yourself . It is not that you are dead doomed .We all make commitments, we all break commitments. Because the rules are meant to break (Laughter) So…as a human being, we all make mistakes. And there’s no problem. Em, I can’t say there’s no problem. That’s a problem. But at the same time, it is not something which you cannot do. So there are lots of ways of purifying that. We always talk purification a lot. And even…you didn’t come for our summer retreat…but Allen Ginsberg did workshop called ‘R R N R” . What is it? (Audience voices) Okay, that’s it.Recognition , regret (Audience: re..) No, you have to get R R R..Okay. (Audience: Repent) Repent, and non repetition . So that’s the basic four keys of purification, okay. Do not use the word ‘repentance’, I think it is very strong word. Okay. So, that is the key. But initiation also has its own little rules. The vows that you have taken from the Lama body..mandala,so you have to purify at Lama deity mandala. If the vow of celibacy taken in the group of monks, then you have to purify with Lama monks or whatever it is. So, all these. That is how it works. Otherwise negativities are purified in that manner. So, it is not a dead end. Never dead end. Allen said, “ It is never too late; never too late” . So… (Audience: *noisy unclear…is there difference ? guru..? ) That’s okay, totally okay. You know broken guru devotional practice means “totally,oh, ya, he’s ..you are such a fool and I have nothing to do with you” and cutting out all relation and blah..blah..blah..And mean playing each other. Then it is breaking guru devotional basic fundamental root.Otherwise, disagreements are there. They are all human beings ,what’s wrong with that? But you should not lose respect it. That’s really bound down to that. To know is “ rig pa min ne..?” You can always say “No, I am sorry, I can’t do it” That’s just about it.1:01:18.0

Okay, this is very important point,so we spent lots of weeks , no, days..or what..sessions..whatever you call this. And next one is going to be next Tuesday, it going to be ‘Embracing the human life’. We are moving to the “Actual practice’ beginning embracing the human life. And that’s going to be next Tuesday . I’ll be back that day from Mexico. (Rimpoche laughs) I normally say where I went. I went to Nebraska and Chicago, in between and Nebraska, the Jewel Heart people , they are very nice and Mary Beth’s summer hometown. And everybody asked about you and sent their love . They are asking Star, how is she doing and this and that. And one public talk. There were about 100 people, closed to 80 or 90 something, at that time. And the day when we work, it happened to be football day., big red day. In Nebraska, it is the team is red and white. And it happened to be number 1 team and the first time coming home as number 1 in our homecoming game as number 1 team, against the UC ..(Audience: LA) LA,and so it is big deal! Really, everybody is gone to see movie. And millions of dollars been spent to make huge screen and all these. So, what I did is change the schedule. Instead of being 10 to 12, and 2 to 4, we shifted out from 10 to 1.30 , and by 1.30 we finished out so that they can go either to watch football or go home and watch on TV whatever. So, we did. That was nice (*interruption) 1:04:03.8