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[Tibetan]: Rinpoche was reading Tibetan

(…): response or question from the audience that is either inaudible or could not hear clearly

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00:00:00 Speaker 1

Now, root text. Whatever we are doing, I think people we've […] begin to lose the root text, I think.

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Does anybody have the root text with you?

00:00:15 Speaker 1

What verse is it now? (…) Is that? Can you read it? I don't know.

00:00:29 Speaker 2

After death, there is no certainty that you will not be reborn in one of the three unfortunate states. Nevertheless, it is certain that the three jewels of refuge have the power to protect you from the terrors.

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For this reason, your taking of refuge should be extremely solid and you should follow its advice without ever letting your commitments weaken.

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Moreover, your success in doing so depends on your considering thoroughly which are the black or the white karmic actions together with their results and then living according to the guides of what is to be adopted or rejected.

00:01:12 Speaker 1

I think that is the one, right?

00:01:16 Speaker 1

We just finished the refuge and we talked about the advice of the refuge.

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I think we're there, so if you lose the root text and then we lose a lot of the relevancies.

00:01:31 Speaker 1

So, whatever we talk is sort of extended talk.

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But whatever you could collect is on that root text because that's very short first.

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Or you can bring everything together.

00:01:48 Speaker 1

Anyway, [Tibetan]. The essence of the advice is the karma.

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So, I think we have to talk about karma today.

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So, basically, I'm not sure where the outlines are going here, but.

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For karma in a general, and specific karmic explanation. The general karmic system and the specific karmic explanations.

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And specific karmic explanation.

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So, for general karmic explanation, basically karma. What sort of idea do we get when we hear the word karma? Everybody here has heard karma very much.

00:02:44 Speaker 1

Can somebody open the door both sides? I think it's getting very hot.

00:03:01 Speaker 1

Where do we get when we talk about Karma? Let's ask that question to yourself.

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What picture do I get. If we are getting that karma is something about cause-and-effect, you are getting it in the right direction.

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Or it is 100% correct or not, but it's a right direction.

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If you are thinking karma as some kind of a strange phenomenon, which comes and gives its punishment, then is the wrong way of thinking.

00:03:38 Speaker 1

So, anyway it is cause and effects.

00:03:48 Speaker 1

Before we sort of get to this one. What we have to make it absolutely clear within ourselves is that there is no free lunch.

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That's normal American saying right? No free lunch.

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So, it means whatever we have is connected with the cause and the result.

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If we enjoy our life, it is the result of the something you did right.

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And if you suffer, it is the result of something we did wrong.

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That is, in even our ordinary, everyday common life. That's what we see no matter who you blame. It doesn't matter.

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But if you did something wrong, we get a problem. When we did something right, we get rewarded. Good life, we get it.

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It is that simple. So, you said no free lunch.

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Likewise, in the spiritual path too, if you did something good, you get a positive result, positive Karma. If you did something bad, you get negative karma. It is as simple as that. There's no mystery about it. There is no mystical about it.

00:05:46 Speaker 1

Nothing. Do not make mistake on this. A lot of people think we can play mystical tricks to help that changed, but it doesn’t work. Otherwise, everybody would have left. Mystical power does not overpower karmic power at all.

00:06:16 Speaker 1

It is [...]. It's very solid and it is governing all our lives. That is karma. Very simple.

00:06:34 Speaker 1

So, to me, karma means “No free lunch”. So that means.

00:06:46 Speaker 1

The Buddha goes too far, but to the extent even you suffer by sort of a stepping on the wrong Pebble or something, you get little pain on your toes is the result of that karma.

00:07:08 Speaker 1

If you go to that extent and he goes to the extent if we are too hot and we just open the door and get a little breeze and you get free little relief and that also result of good karma. It doesn’t have to go to that extreme and

00:07:31 Speaker 1

Basically, karma is absolutely true. We know ourselves in our lives.

00:07:39 Speaker 1

We have to work for everything and when you work and when you work hard and then you make it and then you know sometimes you get a little help.

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A little help here, little help there, little help there and it helps to work better.

00:07:57 Speaker 1

Why? These are called conditions. So, you have the right condition.

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In America, you may call it right connections, but it is the right condition. Yeah, that's true.

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So, when the condition is right, it helps to rub in [???] better and that is basically karma.

00:08:23 Speaker 1

So according to the Buddha. Every single [darn???] thing that happens in our life is the karma.

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It is the result of our karma. Every single thing we act, we are creating karma whether it is negative or positive or neutral, whatever it might be.

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But we're creating one, and that's what it is. It is something that, functions with us. It breaths with us. It is in our blood. That's what really karma is.

00:09:11 Speaker 1

Only difference between the Western, I don’t know what that concept it, West, eh, Judo Christian notion or understanding of God and the karma is God is creator, and a karma is not.

00:09:32 Speaker 1

Judo Christian’s notion of God is creator, and in Buddhism karma is not creator. On the contrary. we created our own karma.

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So, that is almost difference. You can look at it that way.

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We create our karma. It's like the science fiction movies that we created a monster, and the monster will control us. So, it was almost in that manner. That is how it functions. That is how it is.

00:10:15 Speaker 1

We create karma and then somehow the karma will govern our lives. That's what happens.

00:10:23 Speaker 1

So, basically what sort of rules does karma apply? What does that really mean? How does that function? Who is it?

00:10:36 Speaker 1

It is nobody. It is our action, nothing else.

00:10:40 Speaker 1

Whatever actions we do, we somehow leave some kind of seed or imprint on our consciousness of the being. Every karma will leave an imprint in our consciousness.

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It doesn't function immediately, no matter whatever you do, it's OK.

00:11:02 Speaker 1

It leaves imprint on our consciousness and then whenever the condition is right, it pops up and that's why sometimes for no reason the anger pops up and we are angry for nothing.

00:11:22 Speaker 1

Sometimes you get attachment pops up for no reason. Why? Or, jealous and so forth. and every single thing.

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Something was wrong somewhere that should not have gone wrong, and suddenly something happens and that things were supposed to be very smooth and we wouldn’t expect a lot of trouble, but however, it runs very slow and that's all of them. That is the imprint that we carry in our consciousness and that needs the right condition.

00:12:00 Speaker 1

The moment it's connected with the right condition, it manifested in our lives.

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Until that, it remains as an imprint. The moment that the right condition comes, it ripened. It manifests and that's why we say that karma is connected or not connected.

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That karma doesn't work. This is what it is for connecting with this karma or that karma. Don’t think that karma is one thing. It is a million different things happening at a million different times together.

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Or, a million different things happening at this one time together.

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Or, a million different things happening to a million different people at one time together. It is all of those.

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That's how karma functions. It remains in the form of imprint. When the conditions are right, it works.

00:13:24 Speaker 1

Karma also totally depends on conditions. If the conditions are not right, no matter how heavy the karma we may have, it's not going to work. This is because the condition is not right. Karma depends on conditions.

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Karma is also not independent, but it is dependent on conditions. Get the idea?

00:13:54 Speaker 1

Well, don't look at karma as something big thing, but still depends on conditions.

00:14:03 Speaker 1

So basically, what kind of characteristic the karma will have? It is very simple. Number one, recall that Karma is definite. What does that mean?

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Buddha gives a very simple example.

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Karma is definite means it gives you a definite result. Whatever karma you do and they say you cannot change that and you cannot alter that.

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The simple reason is ...

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If you grow a fruit tree, a sweet fruit tree, when the fruit grows, it will come as sweet fruit. You cannot make that sweet and sour, or sweet and hot, or whatever by putting lot of jalapeno pepper around and hope that it will affect that fruit.

00:15:38 Speaker 1

I don't think during that 2500 years ago I don't think they know how to adapt fruits. [laugh] Today we probably could have done it.

00:15:53 Speaker 1

But that time they don't have that, so that's why they give you that as the example.

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So only you can grow around and no matter how much you grow around, they're not going to affect the sweet fruit. It will remain sweet. And that was the example they gave you anyway.

00:16:15 Speaker 1

So, that's why the karma - if you are kind to somebody, that somebody will be kind to you later.

00:16:26 Speaker 1

If are harsh on somebody, that somebody will be hard on you. If you kill someone, someone will kill you.

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Not necessarily that very same person, but someone will kill you.

00:16:39 Speaker 1

So, not necessarily in one life. The karma doesn't complete within one life.

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It completes within two lives.

00:16:51 Speaker 1

Not necessarily these two lives. It could come one after the another. Maybe one live here and another live there. Somehow, then, karma connects their functions. So that's what it is.

00:17:05 Speaker 1

So that's what it means karma is definite. So, if you kill someone, someone will kill you for sure. Not this life, maybe in a future life.

00:17:19 Speaker 1

So, that's what it is. If you are nice to somebody or if you save somebody's life, someone else will save your life. That's how definite means.

00:17:34 Speaker 1

And also this gives you another message.

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A lot of people will try to do something like this. I did a lot of bad things here. Let me do something good here. So, let's square it up.

00:17:47 Speaker 1

Then the effect is equalized. This doesn't work because Karma is definite. The good things you do, you get good results. The bad ones you do, bad results. That's what it means. Karma is definite.

00:18:03 Speaker 1

That's the number one, characteristic 1. Number two is a fast growing, they say.

If you read this … I don’t know what date it is now. 13th? If you read it, it will be a little bit clear.

When Buddha was going somewhere, somebody came and gave a handful of fried peas thrown in the buddha’s begging bowl. You know those peas, dense black peas or green peas?

00:18:39 Speaker 1

[...] in India, they call it chana. I don't know what they call it here. Anyway, it is dried pea. [conversation with the audience]

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Anyway, it doesn't matter whether is it lentil or channa or whatever it is, it is the fried pea. A woman came and approached it to the buddha’s begging bowel.

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It's not that the buddha needed that. But Buddha was very happy and told her by the virtue of this you will become a Buddha. That's truly what is to happen. By the virtue of that, you will become a Buddha.

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And the companion was a little bit surprised, and maybe a little jealous, and told buddha please don't lie like this for a sack of handful of channa.

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Buddha said I'm not lying. You look over there. Look at that tree. The seed of that tree is this much now.

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It's grown so big that you can even park five horse carts under its shade.

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And it has grown that much from this seed, and that is external.

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If they can grow this much outside, why can’t they grow inside?

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Maybe your generosity might have been a handful of channa with sort of love to Buddha and throw it out like that.

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And if it is God with this begging bowel, and it is a great object to whom you make a generosity offer.

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You know, your idea and motivations are good.

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You like it and all this builds up and then the that will become her being fully enlightened later.

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That's an example how much it grew.

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I don't want to take up a long time because I realize this is going very long. So, we will have to finish at some point. So, fast growing.

00:21:19 Speaker 1

In short, they will simply say positive or negative. In karmic rule, one thing it is equal both in positive and negatives. It's not that only the negative will grow. The positive doesn't grow. No, no, it's not. It is both positive as well as negative.

00:21:41 Speaker 1

Basically, they're telling you it doubles in every 24 hours. Karma is like that. It doubles. So, fast growing.

00:22:00 Speaker 1

So, one does not meet with the karma if you have not created it. That is very clear for us.

00:22:09 Speaker 1

We try to do something that we would have worked very hard.

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Try to do every, you know, something to really work hard and do every single thing possible, but he still does not have it because he does have the karma to get it.

00:22:24 Speaker 1

So, they don't have the karma to get it.

00:22:27 Speaker 1

One never meets with the result, if one has not created the cause no matter whatever you do.

00:22:41 Speaker 1

You may move the mountain.

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But you could not get it.

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You could not crash something else.

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Some smaller than egg that's possible.

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So, no matter whatever you do, you don't get it, sometimes cannot make it.

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It cannot do it no matter whatever you do, it happens very often in our in our lives.

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Very often you want something, you try your best. Whatever you got.

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You are nicer, harsh word where […] way, whatever Ways and Means you put in, you just don’t get it. That's simple. You don't have [the required] karma.

00:23:33 Speaker 1

If you have a karma, even you don't put in much effort, if the condition is right, it delivers. No matter how long it takes, no matter how much time it may be in the gap between, but it delivers.

00:23:59 Speaker 1

That's the word expression I would look at it as one meets the result if you create it no matter whatever happens.

00:24:10 Speaker 1

These are basically the four characteristics of karma, that is eligible to both positive and negative.

00:24:19 Speaker 1

Negative has nothing disadvantageous, positive has nothing advantageous. So, basically that's how you make yourself responsible for yourself.

00:24:50 Speaker 1

The positive deeds that you get, where is it coming from? It is also coming from your own karma.

00:25:03 Speaker 1

The negative deeds result, where is it coming from? Nowhere. [***Tibetan***]

00:25:40 Speaker 1

Where is hell coming from?

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Where does this iron ground of burning hot air and ground come from? Who made it?

00:26:01 Speaker 1

Jackson says where does all this big fire you talk about always come from? Nowhere. Nobody made it.

00:26:09 Speaker 1

It is your own negative thoughts.

00:26:13 Speaker 1

That's what that word says. It is what your own negative thoughts have created , and it's not coming from anywhere.

00:26:21 Speaker 1

Nobody made it. It is that. That's that.

00:26:28 Speaker 1

So, all the positive things you have are the same. Nobody made it. Nobody created it. It is not coming from anywhere. It is your own completement and you deserve it. That's what it is. True, that's what it is.

00:26:53 Speaker 1

It's both ways. Good ones also. You deserve it. The bad ones too. You also deserve it, becase you made it.

00:27:03 Speaker 1

And as well as your own responsibility and that is how you are made responsible to yourself.

00:27:12 Speaker 1

Basically, it is the karma. That's how it works. How that happens now? [*** Conversation with the audience ***]

00:27:41 Speaker 1

I don't want to go into a little more mystical about Vajrayana. I'll leave in there so that is what it is.

00:27:55 Speaker 1

So, the basic karmic system is absolutely fundamental principle of everything.

00:28:15 Speaker 1

But, it also has room for miracles. It also has room for change. All are possible. There's room for everything except once the result started materializing, good or bad, you got to go through it. Once you lost the election or you gain the election, good or bad, you have to go through with the four years or whatever it is. In the middle, you may die or resign or something, but most probably you go through with that.

00:29:00 Speaker 1

In very much the same way, once the results started materializing, you can make it shorter and longer.

00:29:12 Speaker 1

It's possible, but however you got to go through because Karma is definite.

00:29:20 Speaker 1

So, that's basically characteristic of the general karma.

00:29:26 Speaker 1

So, in other words, every moment we do, every single thing we do, we think, we say, we act, our thoughts are creating karma.

00:29:41 Speaker 1

There's no mystery. Every single damn thing we do creates that damn karma.

00:29:50 Speaker 1

Really true, it does, and that's basically what it is. So, you don't have to have a police to watch you. You don't have to have a judge to give you a sentence. You don't have to have a jail to punish, and it is there all the time.

00:30:09 Speaker 1

All the time that's there, and if you are responsible for yourself, you have to remember that it always functions that way. It is as simple as that.

00:30:22 Speaker 1

Loopholes show a lot of loopholes here and there. There's only true every single day. Even karma has loopholes. Sure, sure.

00:30:35 Speaker 1

Sure, I mean like you know, the negative karmas can be purified. Positive comments can be destroyed by anger. All these are loopholes. So, that's what it is.

00:30:48 Speaker 1

Anyway, I'm going to stop that because how to destroy negative karma will probably be on the purification.

00:30:58 Speaker 1

There's a verse for purification which when I was looking today, I was looking between today and the holiday about how many verses are left.

00:31:07 Speaker 1

I was just thinking and talking in the in the car when we were coming here. It looks like there's some purification and then there is another verse, and the four noble truths and the purification versus. I will be here next Tuesday but the Tuesday after that I will be in Europe. So, all will be here on that Tuesday we'll talk about purification verses.

00:31:38 Speaker 1

The Tuesday after that, which is […], but we will talk about four noble truths, so then I'll be back on bodhi mind. I think that will be 12th of December. Right? 13th, maybe.

00:31:59 Speaker 1

So, the I'll leave those things for the purification part, and so the loopholes will be....

00:32:13 Speaker 1

The point of the karma is definite is that you know really once it's started giving the result, it will go through definitely, but the negative karma will give you negative result and positive karma will give you positive.

00:32:33 Speaker 1

One example is a singer called [Tibetan], is it?

00:32:37 Speaker 1

There's a singer who was a terrible looking woman with a wonderful voice.

00:32:43 Speaker 1

And during the Buddha’s time in a live performance, they have to put her behind the curtain and she will sing from behind the curtain but looks terrible. They were sort of odd.

00:32:53 Speaker 1

And that type of thing and somebody asked the Buddha ...

00:32:57 Speaker 1

Everybody loves her voice and why she was terrible looking. The Buddha said, and I don't know what you call it in English, but it is called [Tibetan] in Tibetan meaning beautiful sound and beautiful look. But, it is horrible looking.

00:33:14 Speaker 1

And other people just sort of come to watch it or something, you know.

00:33:20 Speaker 1

What is the result?

00:33:21 Speaker 1

And Buddha said some parts of her life during some previous lifetime. Somewhere they're building a stupa at a Temple.

00:33:30 Speaker 1

She happens to be a person who's been working within that. It is sort of done by the order of the king.

00:33:38 Speaker 1

So, there's a little bit of unwilling labor. So, she had been cursing all the time.

00:33:48 Speaker 1

What is this stupid gigantic monster is building up here and keep on cursing it all the time?

00:33:55 Speaker 1

When it is finished, she said oh it was very nice and good. So, she got some wages out of the way.

00:34:01 Speaker 1

She got a little gold bell and put it on top of that stupa.

00:34:05 Speaker 1

So, Buddha said, by the same karma. The cursing karma caused her horrible look and by the bell she got a beautiful voice.

00:34:13 Speaker 1

Everybody falls in love with her voice and everybody could not watch her like that, so that's what the one karma together working for there and happens to create different results to that same person within same life.

00:34:29 Speaker 1

So, that is how karma definitely really works that way. So, you cannot make it a little bit here, a little bit more there, so let's hope to be squared up. No. It doesn’t work that way, but you can purify it.

00:34:42 Speaker 1

You can work and you can function through purification.

00:34:45 Speaker 1

As I told you and I'm going to repeatedly tell you, purification works.

00:34:50 Speaker 1

You can purify and that's why I'm normally say I do believe strongly in the regret, but I never believe in guilt.

00:35:16 Speaker 1

So, there is no reason why you have to feel guilt. Nothing. You did wrong, of course. We're human beings. We make mistakes. What a big deal.

00:35:32 Speaker 1

Really. We make mistakes if we do not make mistakes, we would have been perfect.

00:35:39 Speaker 1

That means we would have been Buddha, but we are not.

00:35:44 Speaker 1

We made a mistake. We had made a mistake. We are making mistakes. We will make mistakes. So what?

00:35:52 Speaker 1

Really, and so you can purify that.

00:35:56 Speaker 1

You can purify that. So, why worry?

00:36:03 Speaker 1

You know the Dalai Lama said in [Hiller?] auditorium, remember? [***Tibetan***]

00:36:14 Speaker 1

If there is something to be corrected, why are we worried about. If there is nothing to be corrected, worry would not help. He quoted Shantideva, OK? That is absolutely true.

00:36:34 Speaker 1

If you just sit there and say, oh, I blew it, I'm terrible.

00:36:38 Speaker 1

So, I'm sitting in the corner and it will not do anything good.

00:36:43 Speaker 1

But you have to remember we do make mistakes because we are human beings. We make mistakes.

00:36:52 Speaker 1

Every mistake, whatever we make is not permanent, it is impermanent.

00:36:58 Speaker 1

It is dependently rise. Its existence depends on the condition.

00:37:05 Speaker 1

We can put the carpet under the feet by pulling off the condition. That is a miracle. Totally true.

00:37:15 Speaker 1

That's why I said from the beginning, miracle works. That's what it is.

00:37:24 Speaker 1

It is impermanent. You do need regret. Otherwise, we will never learn. We keep on repeating.

00:37:32 Speaker 1

And another thing is that we say “it is a good lesson.”

00:37:38 Speaker 1

Every day we make a mistake and we say “oh, it is a good lesson”, but how long are we going to keep learning lessons?

00:37:50 Speaker 1

So, when are we going to learn it? So, that is giving excuse to ourselves.

00:37:57 Speaker 1

When we make a mistake, we should acknowledge that and we regret. And we purify.

00:38:03 Speaker 1

And don't think of it as a learning experience.

00:38:07 Speaker 1

You lose total here or gone grey, total white, lost all the truth and even then you keep on learning lessons?

00:38:16 Speaker 1

So, when are you going to learn? So, that's what it is. I think it is an excuse.

00:38:32 Speaker 1

So, mistakes we made. Just acknowledge and regret. This strong regret. If you have it, you want to repeat.

00:38:41 Speaker 1

You know what they told you or I will tell you later, but they give you an example of going to a restaurant. She will tell you which one it is.

00:38:56 Speaker 1

I hope it is not Tibetan kitchen. If not, the channel two’s unhealthy restaurant list.

00:39:13 Speaker 1

Anyway, so that is basically karma in general. And the particular is positive karma and negative karma.

00:39:27 Speaker 1

And this is a very, very interesting. If you look, they will give you 10 negative karmas basically. Basically 3 by body, 4 by speech and three by mind. Is it ten? 4 + 3 + 3 is ten. I'm really bad at this.

00:39:50 Speaker 1

OK, that is a 10 basic negative karma. It sounds very similar to that of 10 commandments.

00:40:00 Speaker 1

Very similar, I think. So, I keep on thinking maybe Buddha had a meeting with Jesus or Moses. They did not telephone each other, right?

00:40:15 Speaker 1

We wonder whether they have some way of communicating. Like in that movie Crocodile Dundee.

00:40:30 Speaker 1

That's enough.

00:40:33 Speaker 1

You know that telephone business?

00:40:36 Speaker 1

Maybe they have something way of communicating, but it's sort of very well communicated.

00:40:42 Speaker 1

They came out almost the same thing. uh, in the 1000 years difference, thousand or thousands and thousands of miles different without communication. It might have some meanings in there.

00:40:55 Speaker 1

I don't think they have telephone at that time.

00:40:59 Speaker 1

So maybe they sent a telepathic message. I said this, you said that, what do you think?

00:41:07 Speaker 1

Whatever it is, there's a reason.

00:41:10 Speaker 1

So, basically, it is very simple. So, very simple for us.

00:41:15 Speaker 1

Of course, killing. One sec. So, what are the other three?

00:41:20 Speaker 1

Ah, stealing. Stealing things with value. OK, that's what it is where you put the value is a different question totally.

00:41:29 Speaker 1

If it depends on the times, condition, economic condition, and the value, everything it depends that is adaptable, adjustable. [***Audience asked a question***]

00:41:54 Speaker 1

But that's, uh, that's right. You know. That's also why it changes.

00:41:58 Speaker 1

And you know, according to the Vinaya rules, they will focus on kashapani [spelling?] this and that. Kashapani, in terms of money, it exchanged the value. That's what it is.

00:42:14 Speaker 1

So, if Americans go and steal two or three rupees would probably not going to have that negative stealing because no value at all in terms of dollar.

00:42:25 Speaker 1

But if Indians steel, they will have it. I think it's really relevant to that way.

00:42:31 Speaker 1

Anyway, that's why anything stealing with valuable.

00:42:37 Speaker 1

Uh, killing other human being. There is no exception.

00:42:46 Speaker 1

If the mother decided to kill their child, and just because you brought them in and we don't have the right to kick it out. So, there's no exception at all. I don't know why I said that, but that's what it is.

00:43:01 Speaker 1

[*** Audience suggested a reason ***]

Ah, yeah, yeah, but that probably came up my head, that's why I said it.

00:43:06 Speaker 1

Some people say I brought you into the world, I have the right to kick you out.

00:43:11 Speaker 1

And that's not true that you don't have right to Kick It Out.

00:43:14 Speaker 1

You are right or not to bring it in, but once you do it you have no right taking it out. So, that's what it is.

00:43:21 Speaker 1

So, killing is applicable to everybody. Everything by tool, weapon through poison, through mantra, through magical power, all counted. OK?

00:43:37 Speaker 1

So, do not give exceptional things if you kill somebody by mantra and magical power, it is still killing.

00:43:46 Speaker 1

It is punishable by karmic law, no excuse. No lawyer can fight for that.

00:43:56 Speaker 1

Now what is that OJ Simpson's lawyer’s name? Super?

00:44:06 Speaker 1

By magical and whether it is a black magic or white magic or mantra or whatever it is, it is killing. It is applicable to all, any ways, and any means of killing, whatever it is. Through bombardment, one-to-one fight, physical fight, whatever it is.

00:44:29 Speaker 1

If it is killing, it is killing. Total blanket and then what else?

00:44:37 Speaker 1

Stealing, killing, what else? Sexual misconduct.

00:44:44 Speaker 1

Not “contact”. [***Laughters***]

00:45:07 Speaker 1

I think we look in the way the society generally looks.

00:45:14 Speaker 1

I don't think they bothers whether you are gay or lesbian or whatever you call it.

00:45:20 Speaker 1

Whether you're crooked or straight or whatever, they may call it, I don't think we're looking in through that direction at all.

00:45:27 Speaker 1

It is the basically a questionable morality. Questionable morality is the basic question of conduct.

00:45:39 Speaker 1

Did I say it right? Conduct, conduct of honoring yourself, honoring your own commitment, honoring your own vows, and these are the basically and ...

00:45:53 Speaker 1

But at the same time there there's a lot of funny, you know.

00:46:01 Speaker 1

Unwillingness and doing the wrong thing or rape, etc. are definitely a sexual misconduct.

00:46:14 Speaker 1

From then what is next? Lying, lying.

00:46:23 Speaker 1

OK, this is lie here... The big business of Lie is not really telling you a little bit of a white lie in use cars dealers would tell you. It's not those.

00:46:37 Speaker 1

You know, I mean like, you know, in north America the used car sellers will tell you something. They say that right?

00:46:44 Speaker 1

Second-hand car dealers that I don't think they're talking about that. This lie is big black lie. It especially refers to the people in the spiritual path.

00:46:58 Speaker 1

Especially referred to that. The people in spiritual path who have no development within you, and you pretend to be. This is a big black lie. That’s what we call it.

00:47:14 Speaker 1

Why? Because you are misleading other people. You're misleading them through this spiritual path. That is called Big Black lie.

00:47:28 Speaker 1

That lie is really for that, not the second-hand car dealer’s lie.

00:47:36 Speaker 1

That counts underneath during the 4th in this speech.

00:47:43 Speaker 1

You know, like [***Tibetan***]

00:47:47 Speaker 1

Yeah, that's right in this speech for speech part, I think we've recovered with the to the body part.

00:47:54 Speaker 1

The speech part first comes that lie and that category the used car dealers lies goes there.

00:48:01 Speaker 1

Not in a big way over here, you know. [***Tibetan***]

00:48:24 Speaker 1

Just lying, maybe using harsh words, and then what else?

00:48:34 Speaker 1

Yeah, I tried to make it, you know.

00:48:38 Speaker 1

Uh, people divide them and then use it to fight each other and those are considered. And, uh, gossip, sort of pointless, meaningless Yap Yap Yap is also counted there because, you know why?

00:48:58 Speaker 1

It is good for wasting time. So, just to cut your laziness down there, count that in there so pointless, meaningless, useless, Yap Yap is the one.

00:49:12 Speaker 1

Then three by mind. Then what? [***Conversation with the audience***]. All of them.

00:49:27 Speaker 1

The doctor probably is going to write down there anywhere, so he's writing.

00:49:32 Speaker 1

So, these are basically very similar to the time commandment type of things.

00:49:37 Speaker 1

In a very simple. These are examples of 10 negativities, and when you go opposite of it, it is the positivity. And when we say, change our habitual patterns, which is leading to this one.

00:49:59 Speaker 1

Go in the opposite direction. Just go in the opposite direction. So basically, that is the negative and positive if you go karmic in detail.

00:50:14 Speaker 1

So, then it's related and then you know details the subject.

00:50:18 Speaker 1

Well then there's a tremendous amount of it questionable and everything every single thing. There's a lot of detail there.

00:50:27 Speaker 1

But, the basic idea is like that. What is positive? What is negative?

00:50:34 Speaker 1

A lot of people basically know by human beings in creation or whatever it is.

00:50:40 Speaker 1

Basically, we know, however, if we sort of caution ourselves, we are not certain.

00:50:47 Speaker 1

They're not certain. And who can really tell what's right and what is wrong? People get confused on this a lot.

00:50:57 Speaker 1

And you know what Buddha's life can. I believe every disciple of the Buddha used to ask Buddha … this is what's happening, can we do that? This is what's happening. Can we do that?

00:51:09 Speaker 1

All the time the Buddha said the first time it is OK, but from now on blah blah blah.

00:51:16 Speaker 1

So, for all these monks, and nuns, rules have come up.

00:51:20 Speaker 1

You know, the monks are not supposed to have anything to do with sex.

00:51:32 Speaker 1

Because the Buddha goes on to say, well, monks, if you are fully ordained monks, you cannot have sex with the opposite sex.

00:51:44 Speaker 1

All fine and then one says what if having sex with cow. And then that comes up.

00:51:50 Speaker 1

And Oh yeah, these guys having sex with the cow. Is it allowed?

00:51:57 Speaker 1

All this, if you go, there's like 200 pages of somebody doing something funny. There's somebody doing some very funny things all the time and there's something.

00:52:09 Speaker 1

And then this goes whether how, what is the motivation is?

00:52:12 Speaker 1

How do the actual function is and when is it finished?

00:52:15 Speaker 1

The way it is ended, all sorts of detailed thing goes.

00:52:19 Speaker 1

So basically that's how it works.

00:52:22 Speaker 1

So, they used to ask Buddha.

00:52:25 Speaker 1

Buddha will go all this detail.

00:52:27 Speaker 1

And then they said, this is that this is the full downfall, and this is half downfall, this quarter, this is that. All sorts of things go out, and all this. That's a known example.

00:52:43 Speaker 1

I'm talking about the cow.

00:52:44 Speaker 1

Blah blah blah blah blah and then somebody goes to have affair with the monkey and they all.

00:52:49 Speaker 1

This sort of thing one after another. So, anyway and so all this comes up.

00:52:54 Speaker 1

So, that is I'm just telling you one example. So, I think they use the ask Buddha all the time.

00:53:01 Speaker 1

Is that right?

00:53:02 Speaker 1

Somebody doing this, is that right? Buddha goes on and talking.

00:53:06 Speaker 1

That is how Buddha functions in the lifetime really and just before Buddha died, he said well, I have explained every incident that came up so from now on you're not going to have anybody who explained to you. [***Tibetan***]

00:53:28 Speaker 1

So, if it's going in the right side of the positive things that we have mentioned, and it's going the opposite of the negative, then sure, it is the right thing.

00:53:39 Speaker 1

Go ahead and do it. If it's going well, smoothly with the negative side that we have mentioned, it's going against the positive side, it must be the side of the negative thing. You go and function in that manner. That is how Buddha last talked.

00:53:59 Speaker 1

Basically, if you have those 10 negativities, opposite of it's 10 or if you have 37 rings of buddha, dharma all this.

00:54:09 Speaker 1

All these and if you have compared it and anything, or your thoughts come, actions come if you like, don't ever ask anybody, just compare yourself. This way, that way, which direction, which side is more likely [*** slightly edited ***], then put it in that category. That's how you judge your own action.

00:54:30 Speaker 1

It is a guideline for us to function in life.

00:54:37 Speaker 1

This is the basis on which we survived on all.

00:54:43 Speaker 1

I guess that's much I have to say.

00:54:48 Speaker 1

I hope yeah, maybe one or two questions because people kept on raising their hands, OK?

00:54:56 Speaker 1

Scott is raising hands. You're the 1st.

00:55:03 Speaker 7

About the conditions, question and karma evolution. We tend to believe today that if a child is abused sexually, physically, emotionally, spiritually in very young ages ....

00:55:19 Speaker 1

I don't know how do I do this spiritually.

00:55:22 Speaker 7

Well, at it in terms of the.

00:55:25 Speaker 1

Anyway, doesn't matter. You go ahead.

00:55:26 Speaker 7

They like the misleading, uh?

00:55:26 Speaker 1

OK, you go ahead and say, OK, yeah, OK, you go ahead and say yeah, OK?

00:55:32 Speaker 7

But my question is, if I'm gathering the implication that this abuse is still the responsibility of the child. the child created it? That is when that child is 20 years old and is having very, very difficult time in lots of ways, are the Buddhist teachings saying here, is that child's fault?

00:56:00 Speaker 1

Sure, it is the child’s fault as well as the person who abuses the child, that person’s fault.

00:56:09 Speaker 1

And it is the child’s karma too, but that doesn't mean the child has to do that.

00:56:15 Speaker 1

No, you can avoid it.

00:56:17 Speaker 1

You can avoid it by not providing the conditions by removing the abuser out, and the abuser is equally responsible of destroying the person's life.

00:56:32 Speaker 1

And a child for him or her, it is also his or her karma.

00:56:40 Speaker 1

That doesn't mean she has to take it. You get it?

00:56:45 Speaker 1

That doesn't mean she has to take it.

00:56:47 Speaker 1

She can avoid it and she should avoid it and whoever the abuser is also creating a negative karma.

00:56:56 Speaker 1

[…] of the negative karma.

00:56:59 Speaker 1

You know this has a funny thing on in on top of this.

00:57:03 Speaker 1

All this negative and positive karmas also, not only you killed, you are getting killed.

00:57:10 Speaker 1

But there is a [*** Tibetan ***]

00:57:13 Speaker 1

So, experience connected, action connected karmic result. In an action connected karmic result...

00:57:22 Speaker 1

If the person has been experienced abuses, that person would like to abuse other because that is what called action connected karmic result. Not only that.

00:57:39 Speaker 1

If you are a killer killing anybody and you're karmic action connected result will make you killer because you like to kill, just like to kill doesn't matter whatever it is that's going to kill there.

00:57:55 Speaker 1

There are some children I'm sure this is in this country too.

00:57:58 Speaker 1

There are certain kids who would love to kill everything moving if they can.

00:58:05 Speaker 1

That that is a karmic we have that.

00:58:08 Speaker 1

And it is the child karmic result and the abuser is also creating a similar karma. If the child can avoid and the conditions can be removed, he/she does not have to experience it.

00:58:23 Speaker 7

To the child and my correct understanding that if the abuse happens to the child at age 1 or two or three, it's not necessarily because of what the child did at age 1 and 2 but in previous life that's it.

00:58:33 Speaker 1

That’s right. That is what it means by karma because a child at age one or two can do nothing.

00:58:41 Speaker 7

And it's still a responsibility of the world around the child.

00:58:44 Speaker 1

As well as the child ourselves and the people around too.

00:58:48 Speaker 1

Yeah, that is naturally what we call that collective karmic functioning. That's what happens.

00:58:56 Speaker 1

I'm sorry it's a rather strange when I say it is the child’s karma, but that doesn't mean you have to drop it there like that. You can definitely avoid it. You don't have to take it.

00:59:07 Speaker 1

Yeah, it is karma. If there's no karma, the person won't get abused at all. That's what it is.

00:59:15 Speaker 1

Even you know even the number of children get abuses by some big guy there, but one can escape.

00:59:26 Speaker 1

Compare a lot of people who get crushed, but one survived.

00:59:31 Speaker 1

All these are examples.

00:59:35 Speaker 1

OK, Bob Miller, you had the second question.

00:59:38 Speaker 4

Is it fair to say that that we not only experience the ripening of karma in previous human existences, but also animals? I mean it all mixes up.

00:59:47 Speaker 1

My karma is my karma, whether I created in the form of a human being or in the form of any being, it doesn't matter.

00:59:57 Speaker 1

My karma is my karma.

01:00:00 Speaker 1

Did I put the imprint on my consciousness as a human being, as an animal, as a monkey, as a cow, as whatever. Snake?

01:00:13 Speaker 1

Stacy, well, I said your name right today.

01:00:18 Speaker 1

You keep on saying Sandy all the time, I don't know why.

01:00:22 Speaker 11

When we were talking about lying, we gave an example of somebody speaking untruths from telling things that aren't true? Would that person be responsible for or held responsible if they were speaking, let's say, to a group of people and they honestly believe what they were saying, but what they were saying was untrue. Would it just be ignorance or would they be responsible for it?

01:00:53 Speaker 1

It's responsible. It's not ignorance. Beside ignorance is no excuse in karma, I mean.

01:01:02 Speaker 1

There's no excuse for ignorance. If you don't know, you’d better shut up.

01:01:08 Speaker 1

That's what it is. Really true. The ignorance is no excuse.

01:01:14 Speaker 1

It's definitely become a black lie because you're misleading people.

01:01:19 Speaker 1

If you tell that these cars good, and it has only 10,000 miles, but in reality it is 110,000, that is this small white lie.

01:01:30 Speaker 1

And at the moment it can mislead somebody with little or what.

01:01:35 Speaker 1

But if you mislead people in spiritual part and believe and things like that, it can lead their lives down, you know.

01:01:47 Speaker 1

Yes, Daniel.

01:01:55 Speaker 5

Right now it's hunting season.

01:01:58 Speaker 1

You want one to go on hunting?

01:02:00

No. But there are people that are hunting deer. Are they subject to being killed by someone?

01:02:09 Speaker 1

Killed by somebody later.

01:02:11 Speaker 5

Or is it similar to the money example that you gave about rupees in India?

01:02:21 Speaker 1

No. Killing is killing.

01:02:23 Speaker 5

That's subject to them having a karmic result.

01:02:28 Speaker 1

Sure, but also, it's none of our business too.

01:02:33 Speaker 1

I cannot go and tell the hunters not to hunt.

01:02:38 Speaker 1

You can generally say hunting is bad, killing is if you get the shooting, your body will bear it.

01:02:45 Speaker 1

You can do that, but one-to-one I don't think you can do it. It's creating more trouble.

01:02:51 Speaker 5

Let's say each death you created by killing an animal, another death will be coming back to you.

01:02:56 Speaker 1

What if you kill somebody? Is the one killing Karma.

01:03:02 Speaker 6

But killing one deer is equal to killing one person?

01:03:05 Speaker 1

Not necessarily, no.

01:03:06 Speaker 1

If you kill somebody, it is one killing karma. [… audience asking questions ...]

Human killing and deer killing are two different things. Heavy-wise, it is killing.

Killing an ant or a fly does not equal to killing a human being.

01:03:27 Speaker 12

If you step on an ant and killed it, is that the same karma as killing a deer?

01:03:37 Speaker 1

Yes, but it is not the same as when you aim and shoot a deer. It is a much stronger karma.

01:03:39 Speaker 1

If you walked on an ant, or if you drive a car and the ant goes underneath tire, it is killing time at all.

01:03:50 Speaker 12

[…]

01:04:05 Speaker 1

You can’t stop the car for an ant, can you?

[Audience laughed. Audience’s question continues]

If you can avoid, that is great. But normally if you saw an ant, you would purposefully avoid stepping on it.

01:04:10 Speaker 12

If I'm just saying a person that hit, are they getting the same karma as somebody that says without hunting and shooting deer. [???]

01:04:20 Speaker 1

I don't think so, because here there's not so much action of aiming, killing, and act and act satisfaction are not there.

01:04:35 Speaker 12

I may enjoy killing hands. [Laughed]

01:04:43 Speaker 1

You know, Jeff. I'm not Buddha. I don't think I have an answer for that.

01:04:52 Speaker 1

I mean, it is a very good question.

01:04:55 Speaker 1

But it should not be, basic common sense will tell you that it should not be.

01:05:03 Speaker 1

The bigger the animal is, is it bigger?

01:05:06 Speaker 1

Yeah, I think that is.

01:05:08 Speaker 1

I think there is really is something like that.

01:05:11

Right?

01:05:12 Speaker 1

I think there is something like that.

01:05:15 Speaker 1

That doesn't mean we abuse the small ones.

01:05:22 Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah.

01:05:25 Speaker 1

Jason, right?

01:05:26 Speaker 1

No, Andrew, keep on thinking that you were Jason.

01:05:32 Speaker 13

OK, frequently my cats bring home grasshoppers and they'll play around it until they're almost dead.

01:05:41 Speaker 13

And if they bring them in the kitchen and they're almost dead, I sort of feel responsible like to take him outside and step on.

01:05:47 Speaker 13

As much as painful as it is to me, I think that I'm doing something you know better than letting it suffer.

01:05:57 Speaker 1

I'm not sure and true, Andrew. I'm not sure.

01:06:02 Speaker 1

I'm not sure.

01:06:04 Speaker 1

The reason why I'm not sure we may be thinking we are ending their suffering short.

01:06:13 Speaker 1

In reality, I do not know whether we are ending their sufferings short or not. We don't know what's happening thereafter.

01:06:21 Speaker 1

So, this is in a culture.

01:06:24 Speaker 1

This is a natural people to be kind, you know.

01:06:27 Speaker 1

I mean even we see in the movie don't leave me here like this. Shoot me. And they will shoot you, right?

01:06:32 Speaker 1

So that's what we see in movies, right? I'm not sure whether that is the best solution. I'm not sure whether that's the best. If you can save it, try to save it. If you cannot save it, you cannot save it.

01:06:55 Speaker 13

Your intention is good and you say a mantra.

01:07:01 Speaker 1

Or, you can say Om Mani Padme Hum.

But I don't think you can step on that grasshopper.

01:07:03 Speaker 1

In really, it is a little heavy to me.

01:07:09 Speaker 1

Sort of against me like this. [*** Laughs ***]

01:07:13 Speaker 13

I feel like I really incriminated myself. [*** Laughs ***]

01:07:18 Speaker 1

So many people do that.

01:07:20 Speaker 1

You know people think other people do it.

01:07:23 Speaker 1

You know this is in our culture and American culture, so that's why you see this in the movie.

01:07:28 Speaker 1

Don't leave me here and they come back and close eyes and even shoot and sort of through kindness.

01:07:34 Speaker 1

They're trying to do it, but whether it has really been kind or not.

01:07:38 Speaker 1

I'm not sure, but they are the right thing to do or not, right?

01:07:42 Speaker 1

I have no idea. If you live the human being there, some sort of enemies may come.

01:07:51 Speaker 1

And may torture and terrible or may look after and get better and walked back. Who knows.

01:07:58 Speaker 1

But in this case the ants might not be able to walk back.

01:08:03 Speaker 1

But why we add, I mean, my kids, I won't do it.

01:08:13 Speaker 9

Past karma affects everything you do. What about your current actions? Your thoughts?

01:08:20 Speaker 1

No, I didn't say that.

01:08:23 Speaker 8

Why? Why? Wouldn't it affect? I'm wondering is there? It seems like there is a very fine line between freedom of choice. Have a choice or has ever been? Is it already decided because we've done this, we did that, we did that.

01:08:37 Speaker 1

Very good question. The freedom of choice. Choice is definitely there.

01:08:43 Speaker 1

Ah, because of our karma because of our habitual patterns, we will go in certain directions.

01:08:52 Speaker 1

Well, you can stop that. We have every single Ways and Means of doing it.

01:09:00 Speaker 1

So, from the karmic point of view what's happening, the conditions. From the condition point of view is not right. That's what happens. You do have a choice for sure.

01:09:14 Speaker 1

Nothing has been decided.

01:09:18 Speaker 1

The judgment has not been passed.

01:09:21 Speaker 1

Judge Eda (is it Eda) is still considering.

01:09:32 Speaker 1

Yeah, Robert.

01:09:35 Speaker 10

I think I remember reading a long time ago about a Tibetan lama speaking about […] because of collective decisions that were made in the past, maybe 500 years ago or more that humanity made a wrong decision and that this kind of karma coming back to it and.

01:10:03 Speaker 10

I was.

01:10:03 Speaker 10

Wondering, you know, it's my idea that.

01:10:06 Speaker 10

Most of the evils that I see are like really unconscious collective decisions of how to live day-to-day and that personal ones are mostly punk kind of like trivia, pathologies of personalities which are very important because of the clean home backyard.

01:10:22 Speaker 10

But could you say something about?

01:10:26 Speaker 10

Like the collective karma, based in the sense of incredible nuclear waste, poison, rivers, air that seems worse than ever and not to be negative.

01:10:35 Speaker 10

But for a real problem.

01:10:39 Speaker 10

[*** This needs to be further edited. The person’s question was very unclear and inaudible at times. ***]

How does this come about this? […] I mean that obviously each of us said this in this time. Basis like major things that happen in the world that they are not personal karma that collective karma and greater karma. That faces all of us. That the things that belong. To all of us like air and water, very hard to be. Responsible for on a personal level. We must have made decisions in the past, karmically to be part of this time, right? in modern time I mean, it's been. Questionable whether it would be here in 500 years at least. Value a huge mutation. [???]

01:11:15 Speaker 1

Robert, again, I'm not a Buddha.

01:11:18 Speaker 1

I don't know what to say.

01:11:22 Speaker 1

I mean, actually you know how does the collective karma work.

01:11:26 Speaker 1

I can say in that way it's not necessarily humanitarians did something.

01:11:34 Speaker 1

This happens on the human land because I think this is the collective karma of those humans at this time and at that time is their karma.

01:11:51 Speaker 1

It is not necessarily the human beings karma also human beings pay. Yes and no.

01:11:58 Speaker 1

But it depends the collective karma of those particular people who are there as a human being and there karma.

01:12:07 Speaker 1

I really don't think we call it as human karma. That is my opinion.

01:12:13 Speaker 1

Whoever those people who are at that time, wherever, whatever condition might be, have accumulated some kind of karma, and then it comes. You know, the collective karma example. If you read this here, what is it? 13? If you read there ...

01:12:32 Speaker 1

There's a some king who had some minister and he didn't like or something and somebody went there and killed the 32 kids over somebody and put their heads together and deposited to the mother.

01:12:46 Speaker 1

And so the collective karma of that is somehow 18 thieves or something I forgot.

01:12:53 Speaker 1

I don't remember exactly 18 thieves or something.

01:12:56 Speaker 1

They did some kind of a funny thing by 32 different people together. Killed cow or something, whatever it is and so that is referred to that collective karma.

01:13:06 Speaker 1

And that those are not necessarily human beings […], even something else, can't be.

01:13:14 Speaker 1

Then you can be gigantic powerful spirit masters, monsters who created tremendous evil destruction somewhere, and that happens to that type of people together in the world at that time.

01:13:34 Speaker 1

And so, anyway.

01:13:36 Speaker 1

It has to explore, understand so.

01:13:39 Speaker 10

I have a question.

01:13:41 Speaker 1

I don't think I have another answer, but. [*** laughs ***]

01:13:45 Speaker 1

Let me add it.

01:13:47 Speaker 10

If a person buys or eats some meat. They pay for the animal to be killed, they are making karma [...]

01:13:55 Speaker 1

Look, you probably are going to see another quote from me in the entire mystic issue, because when I was somewhere else and through telephone they kept on asking that somehow they found what I had talked about the meat-eating business.

01:14:17 Speaker 1

And so they wanted, quote that in the entire circle either they telephoned me or the telephoned Kathy or something.

01:14:27 Speaker 1

So anyway, you will see something on that and I was not very happy with that.

01:14:32 Speaker 1

But as I said it, I said it.

01:14:34 Speaker 1

I'm responsible for it.

01:14:36 Speaker 1

I can't escape it.

01:14:39 Speaker 10

Right?

01:14:41 Speaker 1

Well, happened no.

01:14:44 Speaker 1

I wish I could, but whatever this thing, whatever I said, I'm responsible for it.

01:14:50 Speaker 1

I don't think I can.

01:14:56 Speaker 1

That'll be nice.

01:14:57 Speaker 1

Is that good?

01:14:59 Speaker 3

Ha ha ha.

01:15:04 Speaker 6

You said that we shouldn't try and stop hunters from killing deer.

01:15:08 Speaker 1

I didn't mean that I didn't mean that.

01:15:10 Speaker 1

I mean, I don't want individual goes up and say hey you cannot kill. It's bad, but some people do that, you know?

01:15:17 Speaker 1

I don't think that's the right way to do.

01:15:23 Speaker 6

Well, I was just gonna […].

01:15:24 Speaker 1

I mean whatever issue that we talked today, you know, Prochoice and anti choice or whatever it is.

Sorry, Pro-life, and Pro-choice.

01:15:40 Speaker 1

I mean.

01:15:41 Speaker 1

You want to go to the extent of physically trying to do something and I don't think that's right.

01:15:50 Speaker 6

We'll say take that example to something like what's going on in Bosnia.

01:15:54 Speaker 6

I mean, shouldn’t we intervene to stop a clear wrong?

01:15:58 Speaker 1

Good, you can intervene.

01:16:00 Speaker 1

Intervene with the proper way. What that means is how to influence human thoughts and human understanding.

01:16:08 Speaker 1

People thought public thought and you can do that way. You cannot go and get ahold of the guys barrel [???] of the gun and say you cannot do it.

01:16:19 Speaker 1

You can get shot for that too, so that's what I mean.

01:16:22 Speaker 1

You know?

01:16:22 Speaker 6

That would be your karma.

01:16:23 Speaker 1

Yeah, that's what I mean.

01:16:25 Speaker 1

Maybe you're coming and you could give him an opportunity to create his karma too.

01:16:34 Speaker 15

Would you say the ripening of negative karma be a fortunate event because you know it's one of those lessons learned.

01:16:42 Speaker 1

Sometime, it's possible. You know what, is sort of now commonly says the Chinese Communist kicking Tibetans out has been a good karma for a lot.

01:16:55 Speaker 1

That's what they say, and it could be possible. Possible. Everything is possible. Yeah, that's true.

01:17:03 Speaker 1

If the communist has not taken over Tibet, I won’t be here for sure. Sure, that's what it is. It can be.

01:17:18 Speaker 10

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In the Long Run , is there karma? I mean like in the vast time. Investors of time. There's all kinds will get worked. Out and it. Bends teach something like that I. Mean because like often the bad things are difficult things, but I think most of our experiences 'cause we learn often more than math and pleasure and so how does it come to justifies it this suffering I mean in that sense. I mean in the long run, teaching. Do they teach? That in the long run, karma exhaust itself. Karma exact other than me. That there's an end of Karma well, I mean there there's teachings where you get to the path and no more learning, right?

01:17:53 Speaker 1

I don't think there's such a thing called end of Karma.

01:17:56 Speaker 1

Even Buddha, the Buddha is full of positive karma if the positive karma is finished, then there's nothing left.

01:18:05 Speaker 1

I really don't think there's something called end of karma.

01:18:08 Speaker 1

There is a misunderstanding and when the negative karma ends, people think it is end of karma.

01:18:14 Speaker 1

I don't think so.

01:18:16 Speaker 1

I think that the more than negative karma ends the positive karma comes up and the Buddha is full of positive karma.

01:18:23 Speaker 1

And when you become a Buddha, you will have full of positive karma.

01:18:27 Speaker 1

Otherwise, you are Buddha with shortage.

01:18:33 Speaker 1

No, no, no Buddha with shortage Buddha shortage is fine but Buddha with shortage so that would be a big problem.

01:18:45 Speaker 3

Hello there.

01:18:49 Speaker 16

If one engages an active positive Karma, thought turning all those actions, then do we prevent the ripening of the conditions of even the old negative karma?

01:19:01 Speaker 1

Possible, possible, possible.

01:19:03 Speaker 16

Because there's no condition.

01:19:06 Speaker 1

If there's no condition, karma will not function. You can change the conditions definitely.

01:19:14 Speaker 16

Thought about choice.

01:19:15 Speaker 1

No, yeah, that's right.

01:19:18 Speaker 1

That's the same thing. Yeah, that's why the same thing. Same thing. Yeah, same thing, yeah, yeah, I mean, I normally give a very strong example.

01:19:27 Speaker 1

I have a karma to have this stomach problem. And if I eat the right thing, I will not provide the conditions to have the stomach problem. That's what it is. That's how the condition works.

01:19:43 Speaker 1

OK, thank you so much. I will see you next Tuesday.

01:19:50 Speaker 13

I'd like to make a brief announcement.

01:19:51

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