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;;1Soundfile 19970504GRJHNLWID06

Speaker Gelek Rimpoche

Location Jewel Heart Netherlands

Topic Tibet Mystic NationWorking on Inner Growth

Transcriber Vicki Cahill

Date March 6, 2022

GR: (DT) The first question, what I wanted to answer. The monks are getting angry. So that the window jumps down. (DT) It’s true. The old Tibet, the Buddhism in old Tibet is definitely chauvinistic, male chauvinist. And not only male chauvinist, but monk chauvinist. It’s a true fact. Because the monks are considered so important. And by considering so important, it overpowers everything. The government is sometimes powerless when the monasteries, big powerful monasteries, decide to do something. The government becomes powerless. If you look in the Tibetan history. A lot of people think, “Ah. Tibet is beautiful.” You have a romanticized feeling. But if you look in the Tibetan history, they’re equally bad and equally correctedrupts. There are a lot of bad parts but t. There’ is good parts too. But there’s a lot of bad parts as well. And especially, the monks are so powerful. Up to the thirteenth Dalai Lama. Up to the middle of the thirteenth Dalai Lama’s age, somewhere in 1920’s. Up to 1920’s, the Tibetan government is totally afraid of the monasteries. Afraid of monasteries. Because the government has made certain decisions. The monks will not agree. And then the monks will come and parading it down in the government place. Like a case in the thirteenth Dalai Lama’s place.

0:03:00.1 Actually, my family was involved in that. In early nineteen. Nineteen,. , nmineteen. 1908, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. Almost ten years. There was a big civil war between my family and the Tibetan government. The, we have the monastery. One of the biggest monastery, Drepung, behind us. So. So what happened is the suddencertain decisions the government, didn’t like it by the monks. And they go down to the. They went to Dalai Lama’s summer palace, overpowered the bodyguards, threw their guns out and broke them. And broken wooden, you know those gun structures. The broken structures. Some of the wild monks kept on the shouldershorter and started marching up and down. And did all sorts of things. And went into the bedrooms. There are a number of bedrooms. I don’t think Dalai Lama’s living there, but the number of bedrooms and living rooms of the Dalai Lama’s personal quarter, they went in. Shitted on the carpet and did all sorts of things. They literally shitted on the carpet. You know. (laughs) And did all sorts of things. And then there was sort of older prime minister who came out and said, “Hey. You are monks. You are the refuge object. So, what you are doing here. You should go back in monastery.” He got slapped. Somebody slapped him, you know. All things like that. And if you look back into the history, the monasteries are so powerful in Tibet. The government is always afraid of the monastery. And so the. So, naturally, the people, the public, the. It is old system. So, it is feudal, sort of feudal system. The subjects of the people. The people. The grass root people certainly afraid of monastery because even the government is afraid. So, therefore they are all afraid of monasteries.

0:05:29.2 (DT)

0:07:43.5 So, it is true. There’s a. There is a chauvinist portion there. For sure. But on the other hand, there are nunneries, but very little. There’s one woman incarnate lama. There’s one. So, and that. That does definitely male and monk chauvinist is there for sure. No question. That’s why that window came down. But on the other hand. On the other hand, you also have to. To think, you know, it is the living tradition. Tibetan Buddhism s a living tradition. Not a dead tradition. It’s living. (DT)

0:09:01.0 And the tradition itself has no objection to woman or lay person or anybody. (DT) It’s open (DT) We have a saying in Tibet, if you are capable nobody owns Tsongkhapa’s throne. Tsongkhapa’s throne is open. If you are capable, you can occupy. (DT) We say, 0:09:58.8 (Tibetan: ) If you, yourself is capable, there’s no ownership for the Tsongkhapa’s throne. It’s supposed to be the highest position. Whatever. (DT) And having said that. What I’d like to make clear to you, since it is tradition has no objection for man, woman, or anybody. And it is living tradition. So, every woman who comes and studies, who makes herself capable by developing herself and sharing her own experience and teaching others, will definitely be in the lineage. There is no closed door for that. No one can. Not even the Dalai Lama, cannot close that door. Because the tradition is open. So, therefore, for it is open tradition. It had been male and monk chauvinist. It is changing. And it can change because it is open. It’s not like catholic church where the pope says a woman cannot be priest or whatever. You know, it doesn’t work that way at all. Even the Dalai Lama. A: he doesn’t want to block. But even he wants to, he cannot. So, this is because the tradition is such.

0:12:02.4 So, it is, in one way, it is very organized religion. In another way, it is absolutely independent. No one really have any jurisdiction to anybody else. It is the individualized. So, that is. That is the beauty of Tibetan Buddhism on the woman’s issue. On the female issue. (DT) It’s true. (DT) I personally. I’m sorry.

Audience: 0:13:38.6 (?) exist?

GR: Oh, yes. Definitely. The number of Western woman Buddhist teachers coming up. They will all be in the lineage. What?

Audience: Can a woman study on the male university?

GR: There is no male university.

Audience: No, aren’tbut the monasteries strictlybe for men?.

GR: You’re right

Audience: Can a woman go there and study?

GR: I believe you can now. But. But Buddhism does not remain oin monastery. You must realize that. Monastery may provide intellectual scholars, but Buddhism does not depend on the monastery. No. I mean, as a matter of fact, I hope in the Jewel Heart we will have a number of woman teachers. Hopefully it will come. Really. And a number of them are capable and I hope they will come. This is. This is the reality. Reality. It is not necessary the teachers must go in the monastery. That is misinformation. It’s begin to circulatinge in the West. Beginning to circulate. That is absolutely misinformation.

0:14:58.2 That’s the one of the reasons why I try not to do much thing inking Tibetan language. Because it is one of the misinformation. Again, everybody think, “Oh, yeah. You have to go to monastery to become a Buddhist teacher.” Definitely not. Definitely not. (DT) Here in Holland we have a number of woman who’s leading the groups. (DT) And we hope there’ll be more. (DT) Definitely. (DT) And even in America we have a number of woman teachers including Aura, Brenda, Chris, Sandy. All of them are woman. (DT) So, really hopefully there’ll be a lot of woman teachers. That is my hope. And if they don’t come by themselves, then we can’t do anything. (DT) We can’t force them. (laughs) (DT) So, and second question. (DT) Magic power. (DT)

0:17:59.1 I don’t do anything. I just sit here and I think the motivation. The motivation what you have. The why you. I mean, why you want come here. Why you have a collecting people. What for? Why? There is. I try to make. I’m try. I’m trying to make sure there’s not a single personal agenda in it. I don’t care whetherbut I become popular or unpopular or whatever. The thought does not come in my head. Money does not come in my head for whatsoever. If you give me money, I take it. (laughs) Really. And then I spend it. That also true. I don’t save. I just spend it. So. So, that doesn’t come in my picture at all. My consideration at all. If you give me ten guilder. Fine. If you give me a thousand guilder. Fine. If you give me a million guilder. Fine. If you don’t give me, that’s also fine. Really no consideration for whatsoever. And no personal agenda. I don’t care whether I; people say, you did good. I don’t care, people say, he’s bad. I don’t care. I don’t hide anything. I try to be open as much as possible. And honest. And sincerity. Even I use a single word, a single example. I hope it will have some help to somebody. I mean, at least, some help to somebody. And that’s all I do. Really. And that might have something to do. That might have something to do. Otherwise, I have no magic. I don’t do any sort of, have some kind of deity and cult system. Nothing. Nothing. And that’s sort of honesty, openness and sincere wish of helping. No personal agenda. That might be making some effect. A few years ago, the Dalai Lama came to Ann Arbor. University invited. We took advantage of him coming there and all this.

0:21:00.5 And first thing he told me. He just sort of look around. He said, “How come you be such a sincere and so much dedicated thoughts. Why; Hhow you generate such a dedicated thought.” I mean, hHe sort of going like this. Suddenly he start looking up and down. He says, “How you do it? How you do such a dedicated thoughts and such a no personal interest. What are you doing? How are you doing?” You know. So, I don’t have to answer anything. So, I just sat there. And he didn’t say anything. So, I thought that the sincerity that I raised, might have helped number of people. It’s motivation. That’s what I think. 0:21:49.6 (DT) 0:23:10.4 Actually, that was sort of first word he told me when he came in his room. (DT) And we have some Tibetan there. And they say, you have to make Tibetan style of tea and this and that. And Tibetans, when they first come, they have welcomed, some decorate arise and all this. So, I took that tray in. And he looked and he, “Oh. Put it over there.” And so, I looked and don’t know where over. And that’s the bathroom. Then he said, “Put it in there.” I said, “Ok.” I put it in bathroom. And he doesn’t want. Then he said, he want hot water. So, I served hot water and while I was pouring hot water, that’s when he said. “How do you do such a good generating good thought? How do you do?”

0:24:02.1 Sort of thing. You know? So, that’s. So, I thought well, that may be. That may since you raised question and that’s all I can think of. Nothing else. (DT) That’s it. So, if you don’t have any other question, then I’ll move. (DT) Yeah.

Audience: I don’t know. Probably be interesting. But.

GR: I know what you are going to say. Oh. You already said. Ok. Go ahead, say it.

Audience: I will be very interested to hear the process of dying. You were telling us that t. There are stages of dying. Telling us about Allen Ginsberg. And we have certain little information about these things. So, I will be very interested to hear more about this.

GR: So, you told me earlier. And what I told you is;. I said, “I don’t know how much people are interested or not.” And this workshop is designed as Inner Growth rather than death and dying process. So, let’s see how many people have an interest. That’s what I said. Right?

Audience: Yes

GR: So, I see one hand only. That more. (DT) There are a couple of hands. So, not so many. So what I’ll do is, I will give you very brief about death.

0:26:57.9 So. So. So. The thing is, you know, what happens. Not only, what happens. What we have. What we call it; body. Right? What we call this? Body. What we have here. I’m not going to say we have hand and leg and face and mouth. I’m not going to say that. But what is it, really? It is the combination of four or five elements together. (DT) The bones and the flesh and all this are earth element. (DT) The blood and pus and so and forth and all liquids are the water element. (DT) Then heat, digestive power. All of them are fire element. (DT) Then circulation. Breathe. You know we breathe in and out. Circulation. Breath. All of them are air element. (DT) And there is certainsubtle space also. (DT) Because otherwise this, all organs will join, bind. Right? So, that won’t work. So, there’s certain, we have space too. (DT) So, then. Then we also have consciousness. (DT) Ok. So, what happens is. Combination of all these compose. What’s that word?

Translator: Components.

GR: Components. What does that mean?

Audience: Different parts

GR: Parts. Yeah. Components. Yes. The combination of those components brought together will be able to balance elements. (DT)

0:30:06.4 When the element iss are balanced, then we feel comfortablecomfortable, and we feel well. And it serve well for the consciousness to be able to function. (DT) When that loses balancebalance, we get sick. (DT) Am I right or wrong, doctor? (laughs) That’s what I know. When the balance is lostlost, we get sick. Because this imbalance or unbalance. Or imbalance. Unbalance of.

Translator Inbalance

GR: Imbalance. What is it? Im or un? Huh?

Audience: Imbalance

GR: Imbalance of elements is so painful, aches. That’s what happens. (DT) So, finally it loses balance completely (DT) So, the. So, the elements will give up. (DT) They’ll say goodbye.

Translator: Toot- A-loou

GR: Yeah. The first one. The first one to say goodbye will be the earth element. (DT) You don’t see your eyes well. You put the glasses on. (DT) After a little while the glasses doesn’t work anymore. (DT) Then the hearing aids. (DT) Then the feelings. (DT) Started losing, you know. (DT) Soome people lose whether your fingers or limbsnuts or whatever, you know. So, that’s true. That is how. Because the element is not functioning. Disconnected. Truly the senses within those part of the body and the;in ourselves is disconnected. (DT)

0:33:03.7 When itsit’s really become disconnecting, then the. Then the next element. Sort of, the major responsibility falls on the next element. Which is water element. (DT) So, you notice much more of the waterish. (DT) Even youryou’re seeing or not seeing. It is like a mirage. (DT) You know, mirage like. So, you know, when you’re driving car in desert, you need waterwater, and you begin to see water there. But when you get there, there’s no water. Right? There’s a mirage. (DT) So, that is the indication to the individual now, and saying the water element’s saying, “Hey, I can’t take any more.” (DT) So, the individual have a lot of. The dying person has a lot of feeling of waterish mirage type of thing. (DT) So, after a little while you lose that. And then you begin to experience a lot of room is filled up with smoke or something. (DT) Ok? The smoky color is. You know, the smoke is the sign of fire, anyway. (DT) We say there is smoke, there must be fire. (DT). So, the sort of, when the smoky feeling you get, but. Because there is no smoke. But there are a lot of room filled with smoke, as those they are hundred person; hundred people in the room smoking cigarette. There’s too much. (laughs) Maybe a little less. The number should reduce. That type of thing. Feelings you’re getting. So, that is the signal of, “Oh. The fire element.” (DT)

0:36:10.6 Fire element saying goodbye.

Translator: Fire element. (DT) toot-da-loo

GR: That’s it. Really. Then fire goes. Then you are left only with air. (DT) So, the air element gives you some kind of lightfe. As though in a dark room, some candlelight burning somewhere, you know. (DT) No. I’m missing one here. Yeah. I’m missing one. Sparking That’s right. That’s right. Thank you. 0:37:13.8 (Tibetan) (DT) That’s right. Then, it’s like in the dark room, you have thrown a lot of handful of cigarette. (laughs) (DT) That’s right. And that time the fire’s going. Then comes the candlelight feeling. (DT) That is the air blowing. (DT) I don’t believe it looks like you’re looking at a candle. (DT) It is, like there is a candlelight there. So, you’re looking the reflection of giving light by the candle. Yet, it is moving. So, it is flicking, you know. (DT) You get it? And by that time, the air element, the external air element completely dissolves to the consciousness. (DT)

0:38:59.9 By that time, probably, no more breathing. No more nothing. Everything’s over. (DT) That is the internal. I’m sorry. External. (DT) Then there’s the internal. The whole process will repeat internally. (DT) So, why we call it external. By that time, there’s no more sign in external. Because then you’ll say he’s dead. Whatever. You know. (DT) But then internal process. The whole thing will repeat again internally. (DT) And that time. And the individual inside will experience that and nothing from outside you can see. (DT) So, what happens is. Now this is; this is the Buddhist teaching we have to use here. What happened is. What happened is, when we first enter our consciousness in the body, it is the union of the. It is n Not union. But it is the joining of the semen from male and egg from mother. (DT) So, the joining of the egg and semen, we call themit indestructible drop. (DT) Why we call it indestructible?. Because when that separates, you die. (DT) So, it is inseparable till you die. (DT) So, that is the basis on which our physical thing grows. (DT)

0:42:04.6 Outside that drop. Union drop. Then it grows here and there, you know. (DT) It becomes like bigger. Then, you know, it takingbegins a little shape and then (DT) We don’t need to talk about that. (DT) So, at the time whenthat you are dying, inside, they are separate; these two. (DT) When it’s separating, the individual now begins to see some kind of a very whitish thing. (DT) Because of that seed, that which you have obtained from the father is now. (DT). ReleasingIt is you. (DT) Let’s put that. ReleaseIt is you. (DT) So, you get a sort of, very whitish feeling. And look like gray weather over there looking at it. Very similar. May not have that much light but. It sort of looking at gray weather. (DT) Much. They might not have light like this, you know. Little dark early in the morning, sort of. You know. Before, five to five something you’re looking at it. (DT) Maybe four thirty nowadays. (laughs) (DT) Then the next, after that. Then the egg’s time. The egg will show the reddish. Like a red flash thrown. (DT) Ok? Thereafter you go into darkness. (DT) Then it is really dark. Darkness. (DT) And that darkness period. Whatever you really follow, going through, is the true actual death period. (DT) Actual death period. (DT) That’s death. Actual death. (DT)

0:45:01.0 Then sort of you wake up from that darkness and you begin to see come out light. In the light. (DT) This was briefly eight different steps that one follows. Four external. Four internal.(DT) Eight steps. That sort of thing you’re supposed to follow. (DT) Just brief answer for your question. And I know it is five. A lot of people have to leave. So, I tried to close up. There’s one question. (DT) Maybe I’ll let you ask tomorrow. What is it?

Translator: It’s very short question

GR: Ok.

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: How long does this process take?

GR: I believe there is no set time. It depends on the individual. Individually. It can be any time from two seconds or one second to days. (DT) Alright. Having said that. We should do some meditation today. Let’s simply. Oh. I thought I have this. This is what they use for Washington National 0:47:47.0 capitol (?) (laughs). (DT)

0:48:04.6 It says, may I be guide for those who are protector less.(DT) A guide. No. The first one’s, may I be guard. I write it wrong.

Translator: God?

GR: Guard. Doorkeeper. (DT) A guide for those who journey on the road. (DT) For those who wish to cross the water. (DT) May I be boat, a rafter, a bridge. (DT) So, this is out of Bodhisattvacharyavatara. So, when I say, you have no personal agenda. So, you want to be helpful for anybody. Whatever may be. So, those protector less. May I be guide for them. Guard for them. And those who want to go on journey on the road, may I be guard for them. Guide for them, now. And may I be a boat for those who want to cross the water. May I be rafter, may I be a bridge. So, this is how the bodhisattvas dedicate and meditate. That is how you make yourself agenda less. (DT) I think that’s enough. You want to read another? That’s good enough. The important thing is whether you said the word or not. Set your intention in that way. (DT) And thank you. (DT)

0:51:07.1 (Migtsema)

0:54:23.8 GR: I’m sorry I’m late today. But. I thought I’m the; I’m the one who late. (laughs) Well, for the last two days, we sat down here and exchanged our ideas. And we came to our notice for the recognition of the number of important things in our life. In one side, we have seen the. I shouldn’t forget. Stop. In one side we have seen the important point; how the negative emotions arise within ourselves. And the depthness of the negative emotions. Such as, if I don’t give an example, it might not be right. Such as, irritation, anger, and hate. And then becomes big hatred. (DT) And then the. When those negative emotions within us, how do we normally behave. Begin with denying.

0:56:59.8 And then the resistant. And then noticing. And then freaking out. And all of those we have seen one side. (DT) Then on the other side, we also seen how important to have awareness, acknowledgement and recognizing these negative emotions are not in us to stay. But they’re here to go. (DT) They’re here to go because it is impermanent. (DT) And nothing is permanent. Nothing. (DT) We are impermanent. (DT) Our life’s impermanent. (DT) Our thoughts impermanent. (DT) Our emotions are impermanent.(DT) Even our karma is impermanent. (DT). There is nothing permanent. (DT) Even the permanent monuments that we built, which is also impermanent. (laughs) (DT) So, when people think. People think, “Ha. My. I’m terrible. My negative emotions are so powerful. This and that.” Remember. It is impermanent. (DT)

1:00:05.4 So, there is nothing permanent. (DT) Please remember that. This is not only Buddhism. It is the reality. (DT) If you think; “Oh in, Buddhist tell you,rms. iIt’s perfect impermanent. But it’s not. You know it’s something else.” If you think that way, then prove it. Show me. Where is one permanent? (DT)

Audience: (Dutch)

GR: What did he say?

Translator: He says, “Well, the sun is shining always.”

GR: No. I don’t see it today. (laughs) But good thought. Good try. My answer’s also good try, but just had to say it. Anyway. Truly. Really, really, truly. Even the sun is impermanent. Believe me. You know that. (laughs) But good thought. No, really good thought. Anyway. So, there is nothing permanent, really. So, our problems, these mental problems that we carry, emotional. Especially emotional. It is definitely like the cloud. It will go. (DT) This is what we noticed. But most important point is for you not to forget. (laughs) (DT) Sometimes, you know, when you’re well, you’re ok, you have all these ideasideas, and you know how to handle. But when the problem comes on you. When the problem arises. Then you become crazy. (DT)

1:03:06.7 And Tibetan teacher has said, 1:03:09.6 (Tibetan:..) So, when your stomach is. When your belly is filled and when you’re warm and sunshine, then you are great intelligence and practitioner and spiritualistic and you’re everything. But when the difficult comes on over you and you become stupid and terrible and that’s what shouldn’t be. (DT) So, that is the. That is the one part of what we have achieved, I think. Is anything else I left it out? (DT)

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: In his opinion, we did not talk very much about the negative emotions during the last few days. More implicit than really explicit.

GR: Compare with the time what we have, we talked quite enough. And the reasons why I said that,that the negative emotions, we ourselves are quite expert. And we knew exactly how it comes in and how it feels. So. So, maybe a time like this, might not need to go too in detail; when anger raises, how you feel and how it comes. (DT)

1:06:00.9 I think we are expert. Aren’t we? (DT) I think we are. Even we don’t say it. Yet, but we are. (laughs) You know, we knoew the best how anger rises. Really true. We know the best how attachment rise, because it’s happening with us. (DT) But if you. I’m sorry. But if you still want to spend time, we could. But I want to cover the love and compassion part a little bit. So, I’m trying to save that time. But if you still want to spend on time, we can. She has question, too. (DT)

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: Yesterday you talked about laziness. And trying to achieve something in your life. Now, trying to achieve something and impermanence. How does that relate to one another?

GR: Good question. (DT) It is impermanent. However, within impermanent there is a continuity can be. (DT) For example, yesterday and yesterday’s you and yesterday’s me and yesterday’s us is not here today. That was yesterday. However, we are here today. So, it is impermanent. There’s a continuity. (DT) But it’s also different.

1:09:00.7 Yesterday’s me is not today’s me. Either neither you. (DT) And we’re all, even wear different dress. Except someone. (DT) I was wearing blue yesterday. Today, color of rust. Whatever that is. Rustic.

Translator: What’s rustic?

GR: Huh?

Translator: It’s not rustic.

GR: What is it? Kind of rustic in there. Don’t you think it’s somewhat rustic? Ok. (laughs) (DT) Ok. This is. This is good thought. Important thought. But there’s change there for sure. For sure. We don’t. We don’t carry the dust and sweat what we had yesterday, today. (DT) Yes, they do.

Audience: .. 1:10:54.9 (?) tell us more about meaning of process of (?)

GR: That is a very Buddhist subject. (laughs) (DT) We could. (DT) And also we, on one hand. I’ve been trying to see what we did. In one. In one. So. I mean,, we identified what the spiritual goal that we wanted. And that is also very important point we did. And then we also looked at death and dying a little bitg. And we also looked at the analytical meditation, how important it is. How analyzing it is. Analyzing and confirmation of it has more power than that of simply trusting our feelings and things like that.

1:12:01.1 (DT) And all of them, really. I mean, tThe ideas that we put together and we work together. And because of togetherness and we have been able to see on this. You didn’t get it.

Translator: No.

GR: Alright. It is not me talking. It is everybody putting their thoughts together and ideas together. Within the togetherness we’ll be able to notice those. (DT) So. So, that’s so farfar, we have gone to the internal growth. Internal development. Whether you like to call spiritual, or whether you like to;,to; you don’t like to call spiritual. And that is spiritual. And that is intelligent element. (DT) Some people. Some people have a simplysimply have a some kind of resistantnce calling it spiritual. (DT) The resistantce comes out. Whatever the reason might be. Different people have different reasons. It is lack of true understanding of what really spirituality is. That’s my opinion. (DT) And. And a lot of people will think if it’s spiritual reality, we have to associate with the; either the Judeo-Christian tradition or Hindu-Buddhist tradition.

1:15:04.3 Or some kind of link with something called religion. Or. Or, or, or, what do you call it? The dogmatic.

Translator: Dogmatic

GR: Or dogmatism. Sometime people think you have to link up with that. (DT) And interesting thing is. And again, I mean, sort of funny thing. You know recently when Dalai Lama was in Washington. Larry King live interviewed him. (DT) And after His Holiness the interview, two other person too. (DT) And so, one of them asked. Larry King asked one of them and sayingid, “What is it, this Buddhism? Is it way of life? Is it philosophy? It’s a religion? Or what is it?” (DT) And I’m quite sure some of you have seen it. But that person replied, “It’s all of them. I think it’s all of them.” (DT) So, it’s true. The true spirituality. Really true. It depends on the individual. And internal dealing. It doesn’t link up with any dogma at all. (DT) And lack of understanding of that makes hesitation to certain people to, just to simply call spiritual. (DT) Yet, on the other hand, some people like to do that too. (DT)

1:17:58.8 So, it is people’s right. (DT) True reality. I don’t think there’s much difference. (DT) Making yourself a better person. (DT) Making yourself knowing how to handle our own negative emotional status. (DT) Making sure this negative emotional status does not really trouble too much. (DT) And if possible, how to get rid of it. Eradicate negative emotions. (DT) And this and that is the internal development of individual. (DT) And that is spiritual (DT) And that is Buddhism too. (laughs) (DT) And really. I mean, if you leave the dogma to dogma out of that and that’s really true Buddhism. (DT) Having said that, from the Buddha’sism point, Buddha’sist presentations, Buddha’s message and Buddha’s experience, we benefit tremendously. (DT) And the guidance. (DT) And the showing our own 1:20:16.4 talents (?) within ourself. (DT) And knowledge, giving knowledge of the good quality within us. (DT) And which you can develop. (DT) Aand at the same time, also warning that we also have bad quality within us. (DT) And it can be developed too. (DT) So, these are the very good things. (DT) Ok?

1:20:59.3 And way and how to handle this is not simply just doesn’t trust your own feelings and intuition alone. And you analyze and understand and then deal with it. (DT) Ok. Now, having said all this and clearing negative points. And but, what are you going to filled up to with that? After you empty all the negatives, what do we have to fill up; filled up with that? (DT) I simply you say, positives. (DT) Yeah. It is easy to say. But we need to look into what kind of positives. The positive that you want to fill it up; is it really true positive or not? The same aAs, as we did at the negative side, we should also do in the positive side. (DT) Today, being the last day, we should do the positive side. (laughs) (DT) Ok. There are a number of positive sides. And side. And I think side one side which is very important is actually desire to get free ourselves from those negative emotions. Which we did quite good for the last two days. Probably do not need to retouch that. (DT) So, today what we’ll deal. We’ll deal with the very popular subject (DT)

1:24:01.2 Which everybody loves to talk about it. (DT) And everybody likes to say it or pretend to have it. Actually, having it or pretend to having it. (DT) A beautiful one. (DT) That’s love and compassion. (DT) Who doesn’t like it? Everybody loves “love and compassion”. Right? (DT) Everybody loves. I was. Where was I? I don’t know whether it is in the hotel or somewhere and they even playing song. This Stevie Wonder’s, “I just called to say I love you” and they’re playing that too. So, everybody loves that. So, now the question is whether we have it within us or we would like to have it within us. So, we have to recognize, in order to build that within ourselves. In order to make that grow within ourselves, we have to build. Recognize and build the love and compassion. (DT) Don’t you agree? Don’t you agree for that? (DT) Yeah. Good. Thank you. So, now I’d like to go round the people and you give your version, your idea of love and compassion. And then I would like to I will have a couple of people who have been studying with me for a while to comment on that. And then we see from there how we can reach. You know, like probably we should be able to reach very good understanding of love and compassion. How it works. (DT)

1:27:16.4 Ok. Who would like to go first? (DT) All of you are here to say something. To express something. To learn something. So. And I hope you people will speak and so. Yes. (DT) Marianne 1:27:38.8 (Matase??) is the first. She raised her hand.

Marianne M: (Dutch)

Translator: For her, love and compassion means looking after or rather trying to take care that for herself and for others things go well.

GR: Very good thoughts. Sir?

Audience: (Dutch)

Translator: Absence of negative emotions.

GR: Interesting, huh? Absence of negative emotions. Yes.

Audience 2: For me compassion is to go as quickly as I can Buddha.

GR: (laughs) (DT) Ok. To become a Buddha as quickly as I can. (DT) And what about you, sir? And you too. (laughs) Yeah. Go ahead.

Audience 3: (Dutch)

Translator: His remarks about the difference between

GR: I’m sorry

Translator: He’s talking about the difference between love and compassion. For him, love is the wish to make others happy. And compassion is the wish to reduce their suffering; their pain.

GR: Very good. And you. Now it’s your turn. Don’t have to feel shy. Just say whatever you feel like it. You know, it has to be spontaneous. The first thought. Last thought you have heard about it. Right?

1:30:00.6 Audience 4: (Dutch)

Translator: He says, compassion and friendship very much together. Caring for one another, suppressing your negative emotions and trying to keep the positive.

Audience 6: Positive conduct.

GR: Positive what?

Audience 6: Positive conduct.

GR: Positive conduct. Are you in love?

Audience 6: No

GR: Ok. Ok. Lady over here.

Audience 7: (Dutch)

Translator: Letting go of your own emotions and being really open to what’s going on in the other emotionally and

GR: Let go your own

Translator: Letting go of your own emotions. Being open to the other. And really having a lot of care and attention for the other.

GR: And you. Go ahead.

Audience 8. Also respect for one other’s visions.

GR: Respect to

Audience 8: For one other’s visions.

Translator: Views

GR: Respect to one.

Translator: Respect for other peoples’ view

GR: View. Ok. Ok. Thank you.