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Title: The Mirror of Your Mind: Reflections on Wisdom and Folly

Teaching Date: 2005-05-28

Teacher Name: Gelek Rimpoche

Teaching Type: Garrison Spring Retreat

File Key: 20050527GRGRMM/20050528GRGRMRMM02.mp4

Location: Garrison

Level 3: Advanced

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Generate Motivation

Rimpoche: Good morning everybody I hope you had a good night of rest and we are here now together to work let me just briefly remind you since it is a Buddhist practice 000019

that it is coming out from Buddhist point of view so do kindly generate a pure motivation you already said here may all beings be free from suffering may all beings have the joy that has never known suffering and all this it is a very strong generation but also very strongly I would like to recommend again in this Mahayana Vajrayana Buddhist teaching what the first requirement is to have a pure motivation motivation it is almost the same as motivation and dedication what you’’re motivating is whatever we spending time and day here and thereafter I would like to help and benefit myself and for others for which I am going to learn something very something useful helpful for me as I said last night there is no if you don’’t have a goal and a purpose then whatever you going to do is it becomes the you know if you don’’t have the goal or purpose then whatever you do it is for something it doesn’’t really get to where what you can really do we talked last night how important you know the opportunity and the things that we could do if wasted how sad and how really bad it is how sad it is bad I don’’t know but sad sure so not to do that is very important to set a goal so the Buddha recommends to us to set the goal to become fully enlightened a total knowledge if we don’’t set that goal what really happens is it’’s very interesting to have.... bring the idea of Buddha’’s idea and bring it in to a lesser goal or have happiness or bring it even lesser than that have a high capacity of brain working and you know high-performance and high achievement and all this are fine it’’s great no doubt about it there’’s nothing wrong but the efforts what you’’re really putting is I mean if you want to be high-performance as your goal that’’s fine you can really do it and there’’s no doubt this path could deliver that there’’s no doubt we don’’t need all of them you need two parts two last Paramitas the concentration and a little wisdom and this combination will do that no doubt about it but that is one way of looking at it and we need more than that we need more than that the purpose what the Buddha shared to us is much more than.... of course high-performance is part of the activity but the high-performance is performing to overcome our negative emotions and negative actions because that triggers the negative karma that triggers the sufferings so basically what Buddha really experience and shared to us is the fundamental facts really the Buddhist point of view is not Buddhist point of view the Buddhist point of view to me is based on the fundamental facts of who we are what we are what do we deal with it 000520

that is something rather unusual from many traditions you know this is really based on that so what it is what the Buddha really shared with us is not just having faith and things will work out or Buddha never believed you pray and things will work out you can pray prayer will answer sometimes not all the time so the Buddha’’s understanding is totally based on the fact so when you that’’s why actual Buddhism or Buddha’’s point of view or theory or everything is really based on the factual because of that factual Buddhism has to accept Buddhism I’’m not meaning you have to I am not telling you that at all Buddhism has to accept reincarnation because of that Buddhism has to accept.... Buddhism is also another point Buddha has to accept four noble truths because of the four noble truths we have suffering not because of the four noble truths we have suffering because our life is such within the four noble truths we have that life which has a lot of suffering (Rimpoche has an aside)

Okay what did I say? I mean it is the reality nobody made it no one made.... I talked to you last night no one made the tsunami it is the part of life it is four noble truths part of.... first noble truth truth the suffering it’’s there the bigger sufferings and the smaller suffering and it was not easy to say but it is time to say even 9/11 what had happened here in New York is actually truly no one made it though we blame the terrorists yes they provided the condition but no one really particularly made it no God made it no Buddha made it no power in the world made it... it is the reality the true nature it is like that conditions that is very funny because it is interdependent nature what we exist what the Buddha really tells us interdependent nature if you say what is the Buddhist view people may say well you know love compassion blah blah blah but the true reality is interdependent nature so much dependence the whole idea you know talking about emptiness and empty is because it is dependent nature honestly to make it what we were talking last night bus stop Buddhism that’’s really what it is because it is dependent and there is nothing solid existence because there’’s nothing solid existence no one made it no one can make it everybody can provide conditions conditions so that is the reality what we see we see every condition is actual reality that is our understanding and that’’s why we say the terrorists took the plane and hit

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We have continuation

and that is true that is the condition so the dependent nature this is something interesting it is the true reality is the interdependent-ness of existence because of interdependent-ness of existence no one gets totally annihilated no one disappears because no one disappears no one disappears we have continuation because we have continuation and our body and our life the physical identity is (not permanent) so we have reincarnation it is simple fact no one disappears not like a bubble you know nothing is evaporated no one disappears it’’s continuous when it continues an identity what we carry is impermanent so we change that’’s why that is the reason why they talk about Buddhist talk about reincarnation because of the reincarnation because of the impermanent then we see the sufferings also changing it is changed sufferings change from suffering into not suffering non-suffering because it is impermanent and then you may say yes then the non-suffering will also change into suffering it’’s true it does because it is dependent arise we have time and opportunity to work for not to change back towards suffering that’’s why the liberation comes in the picture it is interesting that is why out of these four noble truths two of them is what we call it the natural side of it what we are that is the first truth of suffering and the second truth of cause of suffering then the third and fourth is the other side of it the positive side of it just like this one has cause condition continues and that side also cause condition continues because of cause condition changing because of cause condition it’’s changing so what happens is when we are continuing creating a cause for the suffering and then suffering continues if we change it and you create a cause for the non-suffering a joy that has never known suffering so then it is continuous 001556

So it is like the right-hand side of the two truths and the left-hand side of the two truths that is actually is that way it is the reality and so now the question comes is there something really called liberation is it really reality or is it just dogma or theory or philosophy 001637

or what is it when you look very carefully very carefully we see it... it is reality we ourselves see it we see Buddha we saw Jesus we saw all these great beings who are beyond our comprehension beyond our thing they are there no one can go and say well that’’s not true the Buddha was just a story and never happened nobody has ever seen it unless you’’re crazy you can’’t think that way just like everything else... So we begin to see there is something out of those sufferings we are only totally used to it totally used to it to looking in to just in this circle good bad suffering not suffering here there all these problems that we continuously have we just getting used to it (?) so we think that is all about it because we don’’t see anything more and we don’’t we don’’t see anything beyond that so those who have seen beyond like a Buddha are not just one but really hundreds of them thousands even millions there after who had really seen it and that tells us yes you can get out of this and I did and all of them tells us why we did not get out of it sooner because we are confused confusion is always it is the it is our major problem is the confusion we are very confused because many of them to us it is absolutely real for example the birth is real and everything grown up is real the life is real and the death is real and then we see after death we don’’t see anything more so we thought it’’s finished the chapter is closed it’’s completely gone and disappeared but that’’s not true because as I told you earlier it’’s sort of continuous so anyway the struggles that what Buddha recommends us to put in is for the liberation liberation so the Tibetan Buddhist tradition always tells us two types ordinary enlightenment and extraordinary enlightenment and both ordinary enlightenment and extraordinary enlightenment people get it...people get it through by doing something by doing something so what do you do to get them it is actually nothing more than two things bottom line is two things two things one is compassion and the other.... one is love compassion the other is wisdom so that’’s what I said basically the base on which we base is two truths and what we do is two ways this compassion and wisdom both are necessary both are necessary without which one doesn’’t get it the traditional example given are a bird without one feather when they have two wings when they have two wings they can swing but when they have only one wing they cannot go far they circle it even if they could fly 002229

Fake Buddhist Healer

they simply circle it and that was the traditional example so therefore both are necessary and the reason is you know what I said earlier whatever Buddha tells you it is a fact it is not fiction it is fact and so because it is fact there’’s always a reason behind it if there is no reason behind it something’’s wrong it is a clear sign it’’s not right anyone who anything happens you know Tibetan Buddhism is sometimes very strange in a way it is absolutely wonderful and very popular on the other hand it has so so many things you know so strange things and I just so what was it the day when I came back that was the day before yesterday right no one day before that what day was it? Wednesday Wednesday okay so what happened is at night I didn’’t sleep I keep on watching the TV and then (?) in the morning and there was a ABC has what they call it? a current affairs or current something and there is Tibetan Buddhism there and I said oh I was falling asleep in the morning so I sort of waited to see that and it’’s very mystery thing very mystery they showed this wonderful picture and some kind of a guy who’’s wearing a black dress completely dark black and have a sort of yellow things going around and there are a lot of monks too a lot of Buddhist monks Tibetan monks I can see sitting around and doing something you know sort of with the folded hand very holy looking doing something it happens to be doing some kind of a healing business and sort of a great healer and this and that and to make the story short the guy was arrested in San Diego and in jail (audience laughs) and the person who’’s really talking is the public prosecutor she was the one who’’s talking and also they have all this footage of all other things they have everything there and then I mean she said he was trained in the mountains of Tibet and this commentator says mountain yes he was he spent time in Colorado

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(everyone laughs) too bad sorry he was born in Russia something you know and all kinds of things but anyway and all these things going on so it’’s very funny very different way it’’s very popular sometimes it is all different ways so it is very funny thing to see in that way and a woman who is accusing him there’’s a number of them and the woman who is the one accusing him she says I have a migraine headache so he promises to cure and I bring that 31 times and he says what actually happened I didn’’t realize he’’s having sex and I said 31 times he doesn’’t know? (Everyone laughs) anyway whatever it is everything is bizarre absolutely, absolutely bizarre apparently the prosecutor is also really bizarre way she says things funny funny things she says anyway everything is bizarre and one of them these are because they’’re not based on fact there’’s no reason why when you can’’t give reasons why they are not based on fact that means they are based on some kind of whatever whatever it is so but some people like that a lot you know if it’’s straightforward very grounded straightforward very grounded things they think it’’s not good enough and you know when it’’s a little bit of burning incense and you know little candle lights put on and the room is made a little darker and you know you bead some gowns and then you really think it’’s fantastic you know so that’’s not the base what Buddha based on it Buddha based everything on the facts I came up this thought because I was about to give you a reason what a statement I said something I don’’t know I even lost myself and I’’m saying where there is no reason then it is not a fact because there is a reason because there’’s a fact there’’s a reason and I made one statement and then I lost can somebody help me huh oh that’’s it thank you thank you. Two needs why you need both love/compassion and wisdom because as I said earlier everything is you know cause and effect based so when we become Buddha 002931

lets say when you become Buddha we need both physical aspects of the Buddha as well as the mental aspects of the Buddha and that’’s why we need both the love compassion and all this are bringing extraordinary physical identity of extraordinary that we achieve why I have to say extraordinary it is beyond usual our physical identity when I say beyond our usual physical identity you may think like you know close encounter with a third kind some kind of funny (egg shape?) and all that in a way it’’s quite interesting if you look in the Buddha’’s (hand?) it has something going on there 003029

His Holiness

So what they’’re talking about extra ordinary here they give you your 32 major and (18? 80?) minor qualities within the physical appearance of the Buddha itself one thing I can simply tell you you notice with a number of people particularly with His Holiness the Dalai Lama when you see some how people are happy to see him whether you know him or not know him and when you are being in his presence people are somehow very happy and satisfied whatever may have happened or not have happened anything whether you understand his teachings or don’’t understand his teachings whatever happens and that is one of those qualities of the enlightened body’’s quality what I’’m talking about it is just one of them one of them so it’’s not all of them but just one of them so this is just an example for us and all of them are the result of love and compassion compassion but the mind part of it has to be the result of the wisdom though at the Buddha level when you become Buddha and all of us will become Buddha one day anyway whether you are Buddhist or not Buddhist whatever you are as long as you exist you become Buddha one day you may not call it Buddha and that is the important point one has to remember here but now I’’m talking from the Buddhist background and the Buddhist point of view I’’m referring as a Buddha and you all become Buddha one day but the reality is you all become perfection one day when it becomes perfect it is called Buddha for us it’’s a terminology nothing more you are not taking it away from the great Judeo-Christian tradition and made it Buddha 003301

Created and non-created

no (nor?) you have grown through the Buddhism and become Buddha no... every human being every living being one day will reach a perfection how long how soon it’’s going to be depends on the individual terms and conditions and that is the reason why I said last night if we waste this opportunity this condition it’’s a huge waste so the perfection will become one day and that day you have the perfect day the ideal physical appearance and the most important thing is the physical appearance that really makes people happy appreciate people appreciate and happy whatever it may be relieving suffering of individual that even the physical qualities you can get and that is the result of love compassion and then the result of the wisdom will give you the mind total knowledge the total knowledge is the wisdom aspects and that’’s the reason why you need both so everything in the Buddhism basis what Buddha tells us has reasons behind when there’’s no reason behind and then you landed into San Diego jail (audience laughs) that is really what happens so when you’’re looking in our self and everything every existence and the Buddhism is also very interesting they will basically divided things into you know to make as easy if we just throw things out and then you know no one will be able to figure what it is even in our ordinary thing we will say environment, inhabitants even in our usual mundane everyday life we do that right and the Buddhism is very interesting Buddha has an interesting way of dividing that is one thing is things whatever things or beings or whatever anything that exists and divided into two categories that created and that not created are you with me?

Things are created and not created and there’’s one which is not part of it philosophically I have to divide that into five but forget it just make it two things are created and not created all created things are impermanent or not created things are permanent and that’’s why almost all the concepts are impermanent... are permanent.... the other way around and everything else are impermanent so impermanence are now we have to deal with impermanent basically divided into three form that have physical thing and mind that has nothing physical completely form less and there’’s something called Deymindoojay forget about it that is a very complicated one 003813

let it be forget about that okay? so the created one let’’s make it again into two the physical aspects of it and no physical the mental aspects of it... it becomes like maybe that way is easy so and all the physical things are you know as the scientist tells us everything you know all different things comes together and that exactly physical forms are comes out that way and the Buddha has no other... Buddha totally agrees and follows that right from the beginning or every physical things is accumulation of different whatever you call it atoms and particles and everything combined together and have this... all different physical things and that’’s one of the reasons why it’’s impermanent because all kinds of things put together and hold it together for a long time and they stay a longtime and they never stay in always anyway so that’’s why created physical aspects of it non-physical aspects of it is the mind so our subject what I am supposed to talk to you today is the mind aspects of it so the physical aspects we talk so many other times but now today the mind aspects of it so and it is a funny thing I like to say this the physical aspects of it that things particles and atoms that comes together and form something which according to Buddha I don’’t know whether the scientists today say it or not I’’m not sure according to the Buddha that collection of the particles will never become mind never become mind and the mind never becomes the physical thing yes never becomes that that was one of the fundamental basis that but accumulation of physical things can provide the base for mind to function that’’s why human beings and all living beings function that way and that is also possible to be able to function new things new things and that’’s the reason why I always think quote unquote what they call it 004216

Mind remains mind

artificial intelligence I always think it is possible it is not because of the particles put together and creates intelligence but particles put together provide the base to function and intelligent mind that’’s my thought but the principal we have to remember principal we have to remember in Buddha’’s thing and the never becomes that way and that is the reason why reincarnation actually actually because it never changes and so the mind never becomes anything else mind remains always mind Nam shay mim beh

the mind always remained mind and that’’s why it is some kind of long continuation it is so it’’s almost like...whether I’’m right or wrong but I heard and some people said all souls are old souls maybe truth in it maybe truth in it and that’’s why because that’’s the reason why it is continuous and that’’s also the reason why there is no new consciousness I don’’t know whether I have to tell you that or not today but anyway it is the part of information no new consciousness

There are no old souls or new souls

so every consciousness is old consciousness no new consciousness and that’’s why karmic connection with people always available here and there this and that that’’s why we say the karma is there always whether you meet with the conditions or not it’’s a different matter that’’s the point so then what is what is it that mind what we are talking about it excuse me something had happened here oops okay so that is one of the reasons why.... why mind becomes the most important everything physical is because of the mind it happens 004632

So mind has becomes like a tradition a very brief way the tradition of Tibetan Buddhist teachings tell you Con deh kern... 004656

saying all this qualities and the faults of Samsara as well as Nirvana all of them good and bad everything actually comes out of the mind okay now when I say it all comes out of the mind you may think oh it’’s not really there mind made it or we have all so many words we are confused this and that so oh yeah it is not really there but we are sort of living in the twilight zone and something like that we may think no we are not talking about that all the qualities all the faults are everything it is this mind who created actually actually created it’’s not like they magically created by magicians not by magicians but well sorcerers not magically created I’’m not talking about that because we created because we made the cause of it we create the cause the real karma which will materialize we make always continuously positive and negative so many karma we always make all the time and that is the one of the reasons why sometimes I say perfect is not possible if you wanted to be perfect people look perfection not possible because we create so many negative and so many positives all the time all the time we create so perfection is not possible we live in that not possible in the sense you know well then theoretically I’’m wrong if you are going to say well you said everybody’’s going to achieve everything ultimately perfect yes that’’s true and that’’s taking a long time right this moment it’’s not possible not possible because in our mind it is such over there and in the two second the sentence that I begin to say from my mouth and the sentence when I finished in that how many times mind goes how many different thoughts we entertain 004952

how many ideas that pops up in your head and how many ideas we reject out of this how many we accept all of those happening within the matter of seconds within a matter of seconds how many things happening in our mind it is not a secret to us we all know so because of that reason we create so many negative and positive together simultaneously so the negatives does produce negative result and the positive does produce positive result and that’’s the reason why all the faults and the qualities of both the Nirvana and the Samsara are mind created it is not magically created it is not a show that entertained it’’s not a movie but it is the reality we created so Sem nay cho

so that’’s why Buddha said always it is coming from your mind it is your mind it is from your mind remember the one sentence can be confusing when you say it is your mind we almost read it as though oh so you’’re confused and you are mad and it is not reality it is only your mind it’’s not reality we think very often that way and that’’s not what Buddha is saying Buddha is saying the facts that it comes out of that why how I told you through the karmic way I did not really tell you how karma works and all this if I try to do this I’’m not doing my job today so that you will know a different day areas and different things and that’’s why it becomes complicated study sometimes because of that reason so Loh tu num....

so if you are intelligent person it is important to know what is this mind and what it does to you Tel lah sem deh...

so alright so let’’s talk about this mind they said that basically in the Buddhism they divide into two I told you last night I think in the principal mind and the other thoughts that coming out of that mind which I think normally we call it mind and mental faculties whether you call it mental faculties or not I’’ll tell you how you’’ll see it 005314

how it comes out so the in principal mind and you know in this way there a lot of different teachers traditional Buddhist teachers will also tell you a different way but what I’’m following here is eighteenth century scholar called Gash shen yee shee and who is the teacher of the eighth Dalai Lama and so according to him what he follow I mean this out whether he says or who says it is actually either you follow the in knowledge point of view information point of view either you follow the Asanga’’s Kundu system or his nephew Basabondu’’s metaphysical so two them either basically Buddhist or later part of all the teachings are based on either this or that two of them so because these two are found to be true to the Buddha’’s teaching and so whatever in between they found they keep them discarded so discarded some people took discarded ones back and say hah great discovery and wonderful and this and that and you have different schools different theoretical points in this thing happens but mostly in Buddhism in India they already done that before Buddhism even came over to Tibet they discarded so many other things

and based on two of them so anyway this one says the principal mind and they like to talk Nem sey so du....

which means six different principal minds six and that is eye consciousness ear consciousness nose, body and then at the end of it at the end of the..... mind consciousness 005558

Mind Consciousness

so out of all this all these are again not important all five the most important is the mind consciousness since I based on the book so I have to tell you that otherwise it doesn’’t become true to this why the mind consciousness is the most important because mind consciousness does you see things out you focus you distinguish you know discriminating you acknowledge good bad you help you harm you discard you follow so all of them are done by the mind consciousness only and therefore mind consciousness is.... although there are six main consciousness but most important is the mind consciousness get it? So you have eye consciousness ear consciousness nose consciousness tongue you know five skandas five consciousness five senses thank you five senses five consciousness they’’re senses but the most important is the sixth one which is the mind and that is the old way of traditional thing so otherwise you can simply go mind consciousness is the most important so in this mind so what happens to this mind and the conditions and even for the condition there are immediate condition and original conditions basically you can say two conditions out of these two conditions these two conditions should really make the mind work so they draw the attention to an object like contaminated ones and they will draw the attention to the object like uncontaminated ones they also give us the joy sorrowness and all of those are the conditions focusing and all that makes but another question, second question is important thing what makes it virtuous and non-virtuous and they say the answer Qun luh sem....

that is mostly goes because of motivation motivation that is something very important if you are Buddhist practitioners many where you find say hey this Dharma profound Dharma Mahayana or Vajrayana is not good enough to be profound but when your mind makes it profound then it becomes profound it is interesting one of these ultimate highest tantra the father tantra is the Go eh sah maja.... 010104

and the highest mother tantra is Heruka Tantra so when you talk about the profound there is a very usual common Tibetan saying it is part of teaching but it is somehow commonly people talk all the time you know there are some sayings people quote all the time one of them says Sow wan due wah...

it says Go eh sah maja. is not profound but three words of refuge is very profound and that is commonly people talk about it because the highest most profound one supposed to be Go eh sah maja.so they said oh Go eh sah maja. not profound but the three words of refuge is very profound and that is common saying commonly accepted by all the teachers though it may be uneducated some (?) talk maybe but it’’s all commonly accepted and even during the teachings some people will say it but then some people will criticize somebody who is saying that because oh even bringing the folk tales in teaching they criticize too and that is how life goes nothing different even in the great spiritual field too so why did I say this ah I said that because what makes virtue and what makes non-virtue of course there is action has thing however from the mind point of view it is the motivation that makes so how important the motivation is really in our everyday life because when you begin to know mind within the mind mind itself is completely neither virtue nor non-virtue it is not only neutral it is just another thing we don’’t talk about mind being positive or negative it is really beyond though a lot of teachings will tell you mind is pure and wonderful and this and that it is also true mind is pure 010415

(when you are not being impure?) then you are pure am I right or wrong? 010428

when you are impure then you are impure when you have not been impure you are pure if you’’re not dirty you are clean if you are not guilty you are not guilty so there’’s nothing surprise but word is such sometimes people can make it something fantastic but it’’s not it’’s just it is this is just what it is Sem gay ran

Mind being luminous does not mean the mind radiates light

The Buddha’’s word he says the nature of the mind is luminous and all the obstacles are temporary and that is absolute truth it is luminous..... luminous does not mean radiating a light right? I don’’t know what does luminous mean in English?

Radiating light okay.... well does the mind radiate a light? I tell you no it doesn’’t the word luminous here means.... actually it is clarity basically when you know I’’ve been fortunate to be born at the time when I was born as a kid who knows nothing just taught a lot of.... this all of those what I am reading here I memorized and I didn’’t get time to look on this until yesterday and when I’’m reading it... it is as though I’’ve never seen it before (Rimpoche laughs) I memorized probably 60 years ago and I get words here and there but when you really want to say word for word want it to go, it looks like I never read it so I just saw for the first time yesterday so and this is... there is one commentary on this and this is just a short synopsis that’’s what I memorized I’’m talking to you from the basis of those short synopsis not from the commentary because the commentary runs into something like 60 to 70 pages 010737

the short synopsis is like 10 pages or something so but Lochay Rimpoche remembers even now he just has everything by heart he says and when he was sitting here he look at me and he said did you forget (everything)? I said no I forgot everything and then still I didn’’t get to look until yesterday so I looked (?) Never studied this before but when you look three or four times then you will know what it is still so Goo loh sahm....

Motivation is everything

It is positive and negative is made by motivation so it means everything is mind that does and out of mind when you make it a positive and negative it depends on the motivation and why I can tell you why because mind is neutral mind is sort of reflect receiver it receives it’’s like... They tell you it’’s a mirror they very often tell you mind is like a mirror

Mind reflects - it is neither virtue or non-virtue

you know when you look in front of the mirror and you see yourself in there that’’s the reflect the received by the mirror it shows you so the mind does that it reflects because mind itself is neither virtue or no virtue and that’’s why its capable it can be very what you call it very objective 010949

it can be very objective you know in the academic fields they tell you if you are a Buddhist practitioners you will do no good for Buddhist studies because you’’re biased and if you are not a Buddhist practitioners and you can do better study because you will be very objective that’’s what academic worlds more or less tell you with the exception of quite a number of them (?) so and forth but otherwise they tell you that right so which is the very same thing here the mind is neither this or not that it is capable of showing you reflecting and that whatever reflecting is clearly shows us clearly showing and that is the reason why I said it is luminous not radiating a light but be able to clearly objective clearly show I’’m sorry I’’m using terrible English today number one my English is bad number two I spent time in Europe and every time Connie accuses me when I come back from Europe then you say you speaks like a Dutch so I spent like you know a month in Europe so I’’m feeling that influence too do we take a break here or not we do it goes till what time if we take a break maybe it’’s too long for people to sit take a short break very short break if you hear this gong hearing please try to come back

Welcome back everybody and I thought you people are not going to come back from the break (Rimpoche laughs) so we were talking about this how the mind gets influenced by motivation I may need to explain a little bit more on this and that’’s what I’’d like to do you know I don’’t know somewhere I did normally I explained when I am talking about mind I like to talk and saying the mind is like a clean clear crystal lampshade and this mental faculties within that is like a colored light bulbs and when they are negative like hatred type of red colored light bulbs and that clean clear lampshade looks like a red lampshade or blue or green that’’s what I mentioned I think a number of times so what happens is what makes green blue look is the light bulb but that influences the mind 011406

Why motivation is important

because it is neither right or no wrong so it is neither so it is pure since it’’s pure then it can be changed in anything and that’’s why motivation is becomes important motivation makes the mind becoming positive or negative motivations why you are doing it so what you wanted to do if you look in the mental faculties like you look into love or compassion they are not negative mental faculties if you look into the hatred or obsession and they are negative mental faculties when the mental faculties such as this connects with that clean clear crystal look like a lampshade and then it affects the mind itself why is it affect because though the Buddha’’s word said clearly says Sem Jay reng....

It is light nature clear that is it but the people... I’’ve seen people translating that as luminous and I don’’t read English so I don’’t understand it but still that’’s not radiating light out of mind at all so the luminous in this sense is clear when it is clear it is neither positive nor negative it is easy to reflect it is very objective easy to reflect so what really when the definition of when I was a kid but though when you look in those assangas.... little different but when I was a kid and when we were taught what is the definition of a mind the definition of a mind is lucid and understanding Seh shey rig bah....

so the clear lucid (Rimpoche has an aside) so this lucid luminous clear all are one understanding when we normally say clear it is clear you go into a darkness and show the light the flashlight see everything oh it’’s clear now because that is the light effect so we call that clear right? and I give you earlier mirror and look in and then seeing our own reflections these are the two forms not the empty side but the form the physical form of our self and the physical particle collection reflecting mirror and when these two forms meet 011842

each other and then this physical form is reflected in here but mind is not like that mind somehow focus and it is almost like camera taking a picture it is almost like camera taking a picture and when the camera focused on and some kind of image whatever it is it is somehow clearly taking in and maintained in the camera right so the mind whether it maintains or not but the mind when it’’s focused so it can take in anything what it focused on so I think this clarity means in that way it is some kind of... actually no form for whatsoever when we talk about the camera and talk about the picture and then it is again we goes on the form but what we know the camera whatever it is I saw somebody is taking a photo earlier with the digital camera and so even in digital camera even if you don’’t have a film but you do have a memory stick over there aren’’t you the one who took a picture right you got nice digital camera

is it T7? just joking Sony T7 or T3 or 5 just kidding anyway so the mind so when you say Sah shing rigbah

Mind is lucid and clear

clear and understand sort of taking in understand so the mind’’s way it has been whether we call it luminous or clear is completely different than the flashlight looking or the mirror reflection or something totally different some people even say mind somehow becoming the object I’’m not very sure whether mind really... for a while I thought mind becomes that object .... maybe not some of the transcripts you may even see it mind sort of becoming object I hope there is a ““sort of”” sort of is can be you know you can interpret differently but if you say the mind becomes object 012226

then the second person becomes first person becomes second person and second person become third person it becomes very complicated so mind might not really becoming but it is sort of (Rimpoche has an aside) but it’’s really like it takes us and look at it and it takes in what really takes in and I’’m not very sure the really the takes in and whatever it takes in and they understand the mind has the capacity to understand and that is basically what the principal mind is all about it... it functions one thing..... One of my old notes here says I’’m talking to myself it says at this moment sometimes it says when the mind perceives a picture and it is like the white shawl except a red color perceived in and is becoming in that way that is wild goose or probably a little questionable...

and another question not clear is when the mind perceives does mind itself become that or not probably should not become this is one thing we are still talking should not if it does become the third person and all that I just said it but if not becoming then another problem the problem is how does those spiritual developments how that is affecting to the mind if it’’s something that nothing can really affect on the mind and then how does the spiritual developments what that becoming of it you can simply say a lot of things and cover up that problem by saying you know well it is an improvement and better personality and you know all kinds of things you can say it 012600

but saying is not the point what do you taste out of that and that is most important point so that’’s why I don’’t think we right now answered that yes we say quality builds in

and what is the quality and how does that build in and maybe it is like a negative and positive karma that we build in and how do we build that in? It is really very interesting and it is sort of how does the (karmic?) carries on the mind and then again another big important question whether this sixth consciousness what we are talking about is this the person what we call it me or I or self is that the person or something else that is another very big question it is much more important on this we’’re spending the whole year maybe the whole next year too whole two years looks like spending both Tuesdays and Thursdays on that hopefully Tuesday next Tuesday next year I hope I don’’t have to spend on that but on the other hand the subject what I chose to teach in New York on Thursdays might not be able to finish at all this year no way now we are spending time and what it is how it is affecting and I don’’t think we should deal here because this is another big different question some of them I mean it’’s not a question of Buddhist or non-Buddhist it’’s a question of reality what really it is and so some people will say it is a kind of an entity I completely forgot can you help me if you don’’t remember entity what I have the other words there 012849

well yes independent indivisible whatever that type of you know entity some kind of entity and which is definitely not true I’’m sorry indestructible whatever there are people who say there’’s indestructable (Rimpoche has an aside) indivisible entity and I had another one that’’s what I am trying to remember that’’s okay it doesn’’t matter it’’s not important but you know indivisible that we know very clearly it’’s not even possible indivisible is not even possible at all though a large number of people do believe it and then it becomes a belief system because from any reason from any point of view it is not even possible

Indivisible identity is not possible

let me not spend time on that because I think I talked very many times for a number of months so the indivisible identity is not possible from any point of view from the physical aspects of you from the mind aspects of you from the time aspects of you from any aspects of you it’’s not even possible simple logically thinking it’’s not possible then they give you external entity internal entity mind only entity and all of those and all of them (Rimpoche has an aside) so then you know out of all this and finally it comes out something like you know something like a collection of things just a collection of things but these are the different points but let us stick with the mind only and (let it?) presuming because that is the most important we can trace when you try to trace really so I do remember I said a number of times I don’’t really care who I am but when you’’re looking in here and then really comes down to that point when you’’re looking from this angle from this point and it does make important who am I but yet you’’ll never be able to 013233

Are there old souls?

to say oh that really is... so that is mind whether the mind is a person or not it’’s a different question I want you to remember that and then let’’s move on another thing just during the break somebody asked me if all souls are old souls when it begins and that is very important point and a very old question and that question has always been asked and I remember it’’s very funny there is a great praise to Buddha by one of those Hindu scholars who became Buddhist and in his praise he says Gee dan the

say when they asked Buddha and where does it begin and Buddha supposed to maintain silence he did not answer and then they say it is because of not answering it’’s a great thing blah blah blah and the point what I really like to raise is as I remember when I first came out of Tibet I think early 1960s somewhere or maybe it was the early 70s I don’’t remember anyway just not very long after I came maybe 10 years later

You know I have a problem of time so that always have time everything looks like sometimes looks like two weeks ago to me you know or sometimes never exist so that’’s what my problem is so anyway there is a professor in Delhi but he becomes a professor in Delhi later he’’s a professor from (?) I think 013523

(Rimpoche has an aside) Miasho Tiwadi a very well known Indian Buddhist professor so he gave a lecture I attended the talk and it is made such a (?) thing I thought whoooah he says sort of you know like he’’s talking in Hindi he talks very dramatic way and the way he said is.... and then they asked Buddha is there end and the beginning of the samsara you know he really said then Buddha kept completely silent.... probably like a few seconds completely quiet and I thought it... it is stuck in my head it is very dramatic way he talk perhaps that’’s the reason why and the Buddha goes on saying and no one can really point it out where it begins it is sort of way beyond pointing out where it begins and there’’s an end of samsara but not end of existence and that is how Buddha answers end of samsara because suffering is end-able so sort of (?) end of samsara but no end of existence and Buddha could never never point it out where it begins so we are beyond pointing out and some people say in the Buddhist ideas no beginning no ending I don’’t know it is beyond me honestly beyond me definitely but that doesn’’t mean another person another being it created another being so that doesn’’t mean that... so that is the... what makes the mind can perceive 013848

And can take in and it’’s almost like a photograph can take in I don’’t know it is the nature of the mind itself what makes it I don’’t know there’’s no... it does... why maybe there is one point here we don’’t have reasons the reason what they give you is because it is mind nature 013927

Mind is clear it has no particles

it is the purpose it is the whole point of being mind is to be able to take that in so maybe that maybe good enough for them so that may it be good enough and I would like to make one little more still more point on the clarity point and why mind is clear because that is free of every other particles or anything else there is nothing form or anything is there it is absolutely free of all this so like space we say space is free and empty because it has nothing blocking the moment it blocks it is no longer space so just like the moment you put this table in here this empty space has been blocked so it is no longer space space is by nature it is openness perhaps one of the reasons why (the, your?) mind says clear and it also clear because all this both the positive and the negative is not in the nature of the mind itself it is all temporary factor and that’’s why it is changeable and that’’s the reason why all negative emotions are removable... removable from the mind itself if it’’s in its nature then you cannot remove it but when it is not in its nature it can be removed just like any color that you put on the makeups you put on and you can wash it it’’s removable because makeup is put it on but you didn’’t made this (game?) into the makeup may have effect does have effect but it did not becoming of it and so one of the reasons why is called clear because the nature itself is neither positive nor negative and very often I get the question if it’’s neither positive nor negative (is it removable?) and then its positive also be removable from the nature of the mind and I think it is but the reasons they give you in Buddhist teachings and the positive does not reverse because it’’s truth 014302

and that is a different issue altogether but it is not mental functioning and that is different point we have to deal separately but the mental functioning here both the positive and the negative is not in the nature of the mind so it is removable and it is changeable and that is one of the reasons why it is called clear.. So when you say clear you’’re seeing three points point number one it is free of any forms point number two whatever it reflects to it... it can reflect easily and capture it picture... so that’’s why it’’s clear point number three it is by its nature it is not positive or negative so it is clear free of negative thoughts and all that sort of when you say clear from three angle.. yet mind itself is absolutely clean and clear and it is empty... empty in the sense there’’s no form nothing it is like space or sky right sky like a sky is empty however it remains with something otherwise you know how do you know it is my consciousness how do you know it’’s your consciousness because there’’s no identification nothing I mean it is zillions of consciousness floating everywhere so how does that float how does that do how does they remain where they remain what happens it is so so this that very mind consciousness is also it is also dependent arise again so it depends on the company the sort of air-like something like air like that is A I R not hair A I R air- like something extremely subtle energy type of thing and the traditional Tibetan teachers tell you this subtle consciousness is like a horse man person who’’s riding a horse and that air what they company is the horse if the horse man doesn’’t have horse then it ceases to be horse man 014738

The horseman

because you can’’t be a horseman without a horse right so it means you’’re not a horseman so they give you that idea it’’s the idea of that consciousness is riding this like air-like energy like thing which has no form again form less of movement that’’s why we use the word air because it’’s moving and somehow that they use the consciousness mind use this very subtle thing subtle energy as a base form-less travels everywhere (well?) you are not in life obviously you become free spirit that’’s what it’’s all about (I?) think and when that it’’s a spirit right that is a spirit they call it

Is the Primordial pure and enlightened?

in English right it is that subtle consciousness combined with that subtle energy type of air like subtle energy and I believe we call that a primordial mind and when you talk about a primordial mind and that is what it is all about it and (then?) understanding that primordial mind is a fully enlightened mind and then our mind is now become a dirty filthy and impure and I think that is absolutely wrong even though so many great teachers say that but I think it is wrong

a lot of reasons why it is wrong because if it is really purely and fully enlightened before then how enlightened one becomes non-enlightened what (do I do?) wrong it has to be changed in the nature of the mind itself so it’’s not going to be changed so the question of the earlier enlightened and now become non-enlightened and then there’’s no guarantee if you become enlightened again there’’s no guarantee that you will become non-enlightened again so why we have that exercise what for we do this exercise to what you don’’t lose it (weight?) But there is no weight and there is no body there is no fat nothing to lose 015111

so what are you doing the exercise for? so it’’s clearly tells me that is not right because the word the mind is luminous and impurities are temporary it is like a sky and that has sometimes like today covered with clouds and may even have rain or when the cloud moves the sun whether rain or sun or whatever the sky remains there sky doesn’’t go anywhere does not change so therefore it is not a primordial mind is not fully enlightened there is a big question here and if you think primordial mind is fully enlightened and then when you encounter with your primordial mind and then people will identify that as a fully enlightened because you encounter with your primordial mind and your primordial mind accepted you and therefore you are enlightened and it is like the never-ending story of the children’’s movie and you do have that guy goes into whatever that little desert area is and he sees his own reflections in the mirror and whether the reflection is going to reject or not to reject or he decided to jump in and goes through so it is accepted remember that children’’s movie story never-ending story they have that but I don’’t think when it is very similar I was told

Holy thoughts of a Primordial Mind

it did work on the basis of some enlightenment theories whatever it is that I don’’t think it is that way at all it’’s not a question of accepting or not accepting because it is your self nothing new no matter how long you have been with the physical form out there you (long?) for a whole life out there however it is the same old you it is nothing to be rejected or accepted so I hope I didn’’t destroy so many of your holy thoughts of a primordial mind (audience laughs) as something important and wonderful and all of that type of thing so I think the time is 1215 so we stop here for lunch oh you have an announcement please come in first, okay then I can say Bon Apetite!.


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